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« on: September 09, 2010, 12:02 »
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« Last Edit: September 09, 2010, 13:17 by Magnum »


« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2010, 12:05 »
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Good timing ;D  but will it work?
not there.. is the one that got no review and 25$ right?

« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2010, 12:33 »
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HOpe it works have not had one sale there.

Fotonaut

« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2010, 12:55 »
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Im leaving. Don't like subscription models. Didn't even get advance notice.

« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2010, 13:10 »
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Good timing ;D  but will it work?

Where can the info be found?

« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2010, 13:15 »
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« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2010, 13:34 »
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"as low as 0.19 " - I developed an allergy to that kind of sentences. Another one bites the dust.
Update: checked the forums - nothing about it. Also no info on what the contributor's share will be on subs. Obviously, this has been introduced bei Nacht und Nebel. I'm pissed off since my images were there full size as a way of backup, and they seem to undercut ShutterStock.
« Last Edit: September 09, 2010, 14:06 by FD-regular »

Fotonaut

« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2010, 13:51 »
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I also like "our HUGE database with millions of images." Plural.

« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2010, 14:09 »
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Good timing ;D  but will it work?
They undercut the SS subs plan 199eu/25 a day by a 199eu/30 a day subs plan. What's more, they did it totally under the radar. I didn't upload my full size 24MP stuff there to be dowloaded under a subs plan. What evil devil stinged them?

Update: I started a new thread on their (dead) forum under "subscriptions".
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Undercutting my best selling microstock site SS by a subs plan of 30 full size images for 199eu is not why I uploaded my largest size images here. Subs sites always get my smaller sizes. Introducing this drastic change apparently under the radar is not a very fair thing to do. I expect at least to know what the contributor share on a subs sale will be and if we will be able to opt out.
« Last Edit: September 09, 2010, 14:14 by FD-regular »

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« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2010, 14:24 »
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Well, at least microstock isn't boring: there's something new every day.

I'm waiting to "know what the contributor share on a subs sale will be" as well before deciding whether it's good or not.

If .19 is what we earn - and they base their earnings on unused subscriptions only - then it's the usual $.25 (more or less): not great but not even a new low. If we get less that that, it's a different thing.

Of course SS is better because it's realistically possible to grow from base $.25.

And I agree they should inform us before changing terms.
« Last Edit: September 09, 2010, 14:45 by microstockphoto.co.uk »

« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2010, 19:29 »
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There we go again, selling cheap images ever cheaper.  How can single EUR25 images compete with subs it the same site? It'll be like Crestock. 

Time to leave.

« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2010, 00:53 »
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Time to leave.
I am waiting for their reply on the opting-out and contributor share question. I used them for backup. It will teach me a lesson again : don't waste time uploading to low-sellers or beginners. Plus, they never keep their promises, none of them, changing goalposts midway.

« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2010, 00:59 »
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If .19 is what we earn - and they base their earnings on unused subscriptions only - then it's the usual $.25 (more or less): not great but not even a new low. If we get less that that, it's a different thing.
I don't want to give away full 24MP sizes for 0.25$. Even 0.25$ is too low, that's why we boycotted TS. There are sites around that don't have subs and a 2$ web size price (60% for me). I don't want to undercut those.

Update: apparently I stirred them up:
Arian:
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I will type a long and detailed answer/explanation in this thread, first thing tomorrow.
« Last Edit: September 10, 2010, 01:03 by FD-regular »

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« Reply #13 on: September 10, 2010, 01:42 »
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I never resized for subs so it's not an issue for me.

But I understand that other people do, so I agree they should allow to opt out of subs or charge higher prices for greater sizes or limit subs to a small size... otherwise - for those concerned - it's easy to delete port (which doesn't sell at full price anyway) and reupload at lower res for subs, given there are no reviews.

Thanks for asking on their forum, I am waiting for their reply.
« Last Edit: September 10, 2010, 01:48 by microstockphoto.co.uk »

« Reply #14 on: September 10, 2010, 05:42 »
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Update, after the long reply of Arian.

1) No mentioning of opting out the subs so your largest sizes there will be available for HeroTurko at a price lower than at Shutterstock. No mentioning of extended licenses, so buyers can do all they want with the images "as low as 0.19euro".

2) The plan clearly hasn't been thought through, as they will calculate your subs share after the month passed by. A scheme that proved unworkable. In the worst case you'll get 11 cents or so. Considering all the glitches on MP in the past, I don't think they can handle the bookkeeping well.

I also politely expressed my disgust about the fact that this major policy change was introduced overnight without any warning or preliminary discussion.

I don't like to cannibalize my sales at much better paying sites so I deleted my images there quickly. Enough time wasted there. Good luck on MP.

« Reply #15 on: September 10, 2010, 06:14 »
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Like I have said the subscription plans are something we pushed online yesterday for testing. No fuzz or marketing has been made.

Now that we have seen the reactions we decided to give an option out setting.
The setting can be found in the setting page → site → subscription settings

This is how we always have worked, constantly developing new stuff. We are always open for feedbacks and we change and modify stuff to find a balance.  It is not an easy task to keep so many members happy.
« Last Edit: September 10, 2010, 06:53 by Arian »

« Reply #16 on: September 10, 2010, 07:47 »
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bit of an odd one, we'll be midstock and we'll offer subs... too low for me, I opted out (thanks for providing the ability to do so)

« Reply #17 on: September 10, 2010, 08:56 »
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Another site reduced to sweeping the crumbs from the table.......If I had ever sold anything there I'd be bothered.

« Reply #18 on: September 10, 2010, 20:27 »
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bit of an odd one, we'll be midstock and we'll offer subs... too low for me, I opted out (thanks for providing the ability to do so)
Too late for me. After the initial answer (no opting out) I deleted all my shots. I didn't want my full sizes up for grabs on Heroturko. The small web size was a good idea. The subs were not, very badly thought through. They should have put it up for discussion so we could have presented the numbers of the main subs sites, numbers they didn't know apparently. They are a bunch of nice guys but they seem to lack knowledge of the industry. We could have helped them on the forum.

It was a good backup site actually. But personally, I lost my trust. If they can pull this trick overnight bei Nacht und Nebel, they can do it again. I don't plan to reupload all soon wasting many hours again. The MP-Index has always been a bad idea. I had 3 sales there in the beginning when everybody had about the same Index. After that, the feelgood, hugging and vengeance clubs took over, bypassing commercial value.  You can't mix a Flickr approach with a commercial approach.

« Reply #19 on: September 10, 2010, 21:09 »
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Is subs there already in action?

RacePhoto

« Reply #20 on: September 14, 2010, 01:12 »
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Is subs there already in action?

Not sure from the forum but thanks to the people who wrote, we now have an opt out button.

Adrian: "Like I have said the subscription plans are something we just put online for testing. No fuzz or marketing has been made. Now that we have seen the reactions we decided to give the option out setting.
The setting can be found in the setting page → site → subscription settings"

I'm out and it was easy. Most of the photos I have there are nowhere else. One is on StockXpert/ThinkStock for some strange reason?

I hate to take this to some other level, but individal image Opt. in would be the answer, with the default being, nothing is included until we click to allow it. Default in programs like this should always be automatically not included and the option to get in as a choice. Not the reverse that we see on the sites, everything in, unless we catch it and opt out.

« Reply #21 on: September 14, 2010, 02:27 »
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Their buyer seems to of left, so I don't know if this will make much difference but they have made a mess of it.  Such a shame from a site that was different and might of had a chance a few years ago, if they had just tried harder to market it and keep contributors interested.

« Reply #22 on: September 14, 2010, 05:55 »
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Nothing surprises me anymore. I think everyone will go down with their prices. It's just a matter of time. There is no guarantied minimum price for images. Which means we sold our souls by starting microstock business.

« Reply #23 on: September 14, 2010, 08:52 »
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The reason why we haven't emailed our members about the subscription yet, is because the sub plans has been in a beta version. The reason why we made it visible online was to see the reactions of our photographers and see how it works in reality. This strategi has worked out well because we've already tweaked it a lot since we launched a couple of days ago.

Must also point out that we haven't made it visible to our customers yet, no marketing has been made and therefore not a single subscription has been sold yet.

Singel purchasers and subscription customers are two different type of buyers. If we dont have subscription plans we are loosing subscription customers, easy as that.

* The deal is still at 50% on all sales, including the subscriptions.
* The minimum limit on 10 to make a withdrawal is still the same.
* The setting to option out from the subscription is also available.


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Like we all know there are new stock agencies launching every day. Most of them don't survive long. What makes a site survive is either a LOT of money or the site must have something unique. Mostphotos has survived because of the business model that stands out in the industry and we are working further on that.
The MP crew does't have a lot of money, but what we have are skilled developers and we are using that to our advantage. Marketing will come, but when the site is ready.

« Reply #24 on: September 14, 2010, 09:20 »
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Arian, could you please explain what is the exact meaning of "high resolution" in "Remove my high resolution pictures from subscription plan"?


 

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