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« Reply #50 on: April 15, 2010, 02:02 »
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We have some server problems caused by the rush today. Hope the upload-process is working fine for you. if not please write a message to: info@zoonar.com. in some days we get more new servers online...


« Reply #51 on: April 15, 2010, 07:46 »
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Michael,

Do you accept vectors???

« Reply #52 on: April 15, 2010, 08:42 »
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No sorry, Polylooks accept them, if you register direct. Zoonar gets Vectors in Q3 2010 after Site-Relaunch.

« Reply #53 on: April 15, 2010, 09:12 »
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They also have a referral program. Maybe this is cheeky, but here is mine!
I don't care about your hagiographic referral link and whether or not you started uploading. I want an answer on the copyright transfer issue.
Since there is none after 24hrs, I guess they won't address the issue properly. If anybody wants to upload, fine. Not me.
« Last Edit: April 15, 2010, 09:14 by FD-amateur »

« Reply #54 on: April 15, 2010, 09:52 »
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@Steheap,
It must have taken you some time to write those instructions, so I felt you deserved a reward :)
I clicked on your referral link, but that doesn't mean much.
I'm not successful; I barely sell a few images a month.
Anyhow, good luck and thank you for posting the instructions :)

Now I'm worried about those copyrights terms and whatever 'Droit de suite' in legal terms really means.
I checked JF Millet's - Angelus - case and I hope we're not going to get ourselves into that kind of trouble.
Michael said Zoonar operates just like any other microstock RF agency. That should be fine, right?

« Reply #55 on: April 15, 2010, 11:24 »
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Hey, I am happy to inform you that my first images got accepted by Polylooks and I even got the payments for those credited to my Zoonar account - unfortunately the acceptance ratio was not ideal:

I started uploading the images to Zoonar on Wednesday and applied for approval of the accepted ones on Polylooks this morning (CET).
The images carried an "applying for Polylooks" icon in the images managing section of Zoonar.

Now when I just checked my Zoonar account, I saw that some of them were accepted by Polylooks, the photos now carry either an "accepted" or "rejected by Polylooks" icon - having said that I need to mention that the approval rate is not that excessive - I am rather new in microstock with only a limited portfolio but the approval rate of Zoonar was much lower as with DepositPhotos for example and out of those Polylooks again only accepted about 70% (although the initial announcement to me sounded like almost all photos accepted by Zoonar will make it to Polylooks) so that my ROI is much worse as with the same images on DepositPhotos unfortunately, about 40%!

Hope others out there are performing better!

steheap

  • Author of best selling "Get Started in Stock"

« Reply #56 on: April 15, 2010, 12:01 »
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This is how mine worked out:

Of about 800 images uploaded (580 of which are on Shutterstock, Dreamstime etc.), 250 have been accepted into Zoomar, and then of those, 209 have been accepted into Polylooks, with a credit so far of 31.35 Euros. I have maybe 20 more to process. The ones on-line are getting hits from buyers, some with 5 hits so far. No purchases though!!

As I mentioned in the earlier post, I haven't bothered to check which ones failed because they were less that 6M though. All in all, not much work for 31 Euros.

Steve
http://www.zoonar.com/?wid=1207

« Reply #57 on: April 15, 2010, 12:13 »
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Michael said Zoonar operates just like any other microstock RF agency. That should be fine, right?
Sure that should be fine.  ;D

« Reply #58 on: April 15, 2010, 13:12 »
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^^ 
Hope is the last one to go :)

I registered using steheap referral link but can't upload yet. Their Upload Manager fails my login.
I'll try again later and let you know.

« Reply #59 on: April 15, 2010, 15:27 »
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From another Zoonar-Thread. Maybe this helps you to check our terms of trade...

Hey guys,

my name is Paul and I'm one of the Zoonar cofounders. I didn't want to interfere into this thread but the latests posts of rosta and vicu changed my mind.

It is incorrect that photographers transfer the copyright to Zoonar and that agency retains the compensation for the resale of picture material. Our company is located in Germany and therefore bound by german law. Copyright transfer is NOT allowed by german law. For those who speak german, please check this article:

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urheberrecht

Maybe there is a problem with our english translation and the word "copyright" in the brackets. In the german version of the photographer agreement we've used the word "urheberrechtliche" which possibly should be translated as "copyrighted". I'm neither a lawyer nor a native english speaker, so I'll ask our translator.

The paragraph's intent is to say: you as the photographer have the copyright but to enable us to sell your pictures you have to transfer us the usage rights and even the resale right, but the transfer of rights is non-exclusive (II.3). vicu is correct that Zoonar receives the compensation for resales at first but of course the photographer receives 50-80% (depending on her/his picture amount or revenues) of this compensation, see IV. Remuneration:

"1. As compensation for all services rendered and transfer of rights owed in accordance
with this agreement, Photographer shall receive remuneration as follows:..."

Cheers,

Paul



The copyright section in question was changed quite a while ago, it now says:

The photographer transfers to Picture Agency all rights of use of the picture
material for every kind of commercial and/or non-commercial use. The right to
exercise accessory rights and droite de suite is also transferred.

And please also note, that only the German language version of the contract is legally binding, the English translation is a service for our English speaking photographers, but not legally binding, it also says so in the English language version. Therefore, no copyrights were ever tranferred.

Best regards,
Michael

« Reply #60 on: April 17, 2010, 15:32 »
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Hey, I am happy to inform you that my first images got accepted by Polylooks and I even got the payments for those credited to my Zoonar account - unfortunately the acceptance ratio was not ideal:

I started uploading the images to Zoonar on Wednesday and applied for approval of the accepted ones on Polylooks this morning (CET).
The images carried an "applying for Polylooks" icon in the images managing section of Zoonar.

Now when I just checked my Zoonar account, I saw that some of them were accepted by Polylooks, the photos now carry either an "accepted" or "rejected by Polylooks" icon - having said that I need to mention that the approval rate is not that excessive - I am rather new in microstock with only a limited portfolio but the approval rate of Zoonar was much lower as with DepositPhotos for example and out of those Polylooks again only accepted about 70% (although the initial announcement to me sounded like almost all photos accepted by Zoonar will make it to Polylooks) so that my ROI is much worse as with the same images on DepositPhotos unfortunately, about 40%!

Hope others out there are performing better!

Sorry i overlookes your question, we have many to do now... My opinion for this is: It doesn`t help you when agencys took photos with mistakes. If costumers buy thoose pictures they will be unhappy and never come back. It`s better for you when stock agencys took a closer look to your photos. The mistakes they are  mostly causes deletions are: artefacts in blue skys, objective spots, unscharpness or unattractive photo design.

« Reply #61 on: April 19, 2010, 02:55 »
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Hey, I am happy to inform you that my first images got accepted by Polylooks and I even got the payments for those credited to my Zoonar account - unfortunately the acceptance ratio was not ideal:

I started uploading the images to Zoonar on Wednesday and applied for approval of the accepted ones on Polylooks this morning (CET).
The images carried an "applying for Polylooks" icon in the images managing section of Zoonar.

Now when I just checked my Zoonar account, I saw that some of them were accepted by Polylooks, the photos now carry either an "accepted" or "rejected by Polylooks" icon - having said that I need to mention that the approval rate is not that excessive - I am rather new in microstock with only a limited portfolio but the approval rate of Zoonar was much lower as with DepositPhotos for example and out of those Polylooks again only accepted about 70% (although the initial announcement to me sounded like almost all photos accepted by Zoonar will make it to Polylooks) so that my ROI is much worse as with the same images on DepositPhotos unfortunately, about 40%!

Hope others out there are performing better!

Sorry i overlookes your question, we have many to do now... My opinion for this is: It doesn`t help you when agencys took photos with mistakes. If costumers buy thoose pictures they will be unhappy and never come back. It`s better for you when stock agencys took a closer look to your photos. The mistakes they are  mostly causes deletions are: artefacts in blue skys, objective spots, unscharpness or unattractive photo design.

Michael, thanks for replying to my observations. However when mentioning the acceptance ratio I was not referring to the later success of the images but to the amount of images approved for payment of the 0,15 EUR credit: Now that I have uploaded my complete portfolio to Zoonar and went through the approval process of Zoonar/Polylooks for all of them I can tell that the acceptance ratio is smaller than even with the Big6 ones I upload to as well and that images that were accepted by the Big6 and do even sell there were rejected. That is all fine as it is a subjective decision by each reviewer/agency, I just wanted to state that acceptance ratios with Zoonar/Polylooks MIGHT be rather small - a fact that photographers might take into account when deciding whether it is worth to upload to these sites.

« Reply #62 on: April 19, 2010, 03:02 »
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I just wanted to state that acceptance ratios with Zoonar/Polylooks MIGHT be rather small - a fact that photographers might take into account when deciding whether it is worth to upload to these sites.

Exactly... :-\

Patrick.

« Reply #63 on: April 19, 2010, 03:41 »
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I submitted some of my average photos (not best not worst) and got acceptance rate about 82%

Wouldn't call it low...

« Reply #64 on: April 19, 2010, 04:23 »
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Another please: Use the price level "discount" when you put set free photos to polylooks or sell them by another microstocks. the price level "normal" is midstock and much more expensive...

« Reply #65 on: April 19, 2010, 04:38 »
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I submitted my pictures as "standard" :)

And wow - I've already got the first sale with slightly above hundred pics online. And it is a decent 4.67 Eur

« Reply #66 on: April 19, 2010, 05:37 »
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That`s because you use "Standard", but please use "discount" if you are a microstock photographer. Here some more informations about the zoonar pricing:

We have three price levels like the global photo market have. Premium is macrostock (like alamy), normal is midstock (like many midprice agencys) and "discount " is our microstock area. We did this because we had the idea that costumers dont like "agency hopping". They can compare qualities and prices in one agency direct and make a mixed price calculation. The same is for photographers. Many stock pros also have microstock or macrostock photos and want to make a mixed price portfolio to look what sells givs best revenues. By the way zoonar gives up to 80%, the highest rate at the photo market.

We will revise our price system with our relaunch in mai 2010, but the three levels will stay on, because we like this concept. There will be a new "merchandising license" for costumers and a smaler price level for normal photo usings (a little bit nearer then other microstocks). But we will stay a little bit more expansive, because we are no pure microstock. we also think that it makes no sense to compete with the big 5 microstocks with same concepts. If you want to have a change on the tough market you have to go a new own way.

« Reply #67 on: April 19, 2010, 07:48 »
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We have three price levels like the global photo market have. Premium is macrostock (like alamy), normal is midstock (like many midprice agencys) and "discount " is our microstock area. We did this because we had the idea that costumers dont like "agency hopping". They can compare qualities and prices in one agency direct and make a mixed price calculation.
That sounds like a very sensitive approach. So what do you expect of 'premium'? That it is exclusive on your site, or can it also be on Alamy? As I understand, you don't want images already on microstock as 'premium'. What kind of images are you expecting there?

« Reply #68 on: April 19, 2010, 09:01 »
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Photos from "Macro"-Photographers. If you belive it or not: There are many photographers who don`t sale photos at microstocks and many who sale a part of portfolio at microstocks and another part at macrostocks. We make very good sellings with this photos, for example at "fotofinder" in germany. I came from the macro market, and also have 50k photos at alamy, since 7-8 years. A good agency. but who wants to sell in the future too needs also microstock-content. That`s we i funded zoonar 2006 to be in booth markets...

« Reply #69 on: April 19, 2010, 10:21 »
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I came from the macro market, and also have 50k photos at alamy, since 7-8 years.
Do you ever sleep?  :P

« Reply #70 on: April 19, 2010, 17:40 »
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Not my own photos, it`s from the predecessor agency of zoonar. I`m not yuri...   ;D

« Reply #71 on: April 20, 2010, 18:11 »
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Here's my experience.....

In total, I uploaded 1245 images.  Zoonar accepted 900 of them.  885 of the 900 were accepted by Polylooks.  885 x .15 cents....I'm happy with that!

I've had to send a few e-mails to Zoonar, and the service is great!  Michael has always replied within hours, and he is very helpful and obliging!

There's just one thing......

I was working on preparing a batch of 45 images for entry into Polylooks and the APIS network, when I realised that one of the images needed to be deleted.....I didn't have a model release for it.  I forgot to uncheck the ones that I didn't want to delete and, consequently, I accidentally deleted the whole batch.  That's not really a problem, as I was able to 'undelete' them.  However, it appears that once they're 'undeleted', you can't submit them to Polylooks or the APIS network.  I wrote to Michael about the problem, and he was able to enter the images back into Polylooks, however, I haven't been paid the .15cents for each of these 44 images.  Michael is unable to manually credit my account for the images, so he's going to ask the site's developers to look into the matter.  So, my advice is to double check that you've got the right images checked before deleting them.

I'm now keenly waiting to see how the sales go on this site!


This is my referral link: http://www.zoonar.com/landing/?topic=content&wid=1213
« Last Edit: April 21, 2010, 17:50 by Phillip Minnis »

« Reply #72 on: April 21, 2010, 05:28 »
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The Sales from Polylooks comes to the beginning of every new month for the last month. That`s important, because many photographers write to our support: "I saw a load at polylooks but don`t get any money yet".

Sales from zoonar are booked every day "live". To increase the sales from zoonar please set free your photos for picturemaxx/apis too. That`s the biggest german editors database and it`s free for you to put the photos there with zoonar.

Xalanx

« Reply #73 on: April 21, 2010, 06:24 »
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I'm still not convinced I should spend time uploading here. I'm waiting for some more results.

« Reply #74 on: April 21, 2010, 07:00 »
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Whether zoonar has great sales potential or not I have no clue (only time will tell). But upload efforts are low (no categories needed, no need to attach releases) so why not?

And I do think they might have a potential especially with their partner program...


 

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