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Agency Based Discussion => New Sites - General => Topic started by: Dreamframer on August 03, 2010, 17:40
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I had nice earnings posted in my account at Zoonar last month (01. Judy 2010).
But this month I didn't have anything. Actually, I had one sale posted yesterday, but that's nothing comparing to last month.
Anyone?
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Not surprising there aren't many sales considering the number of new images they have after paying us to upload. I am getting a few sales through polylooks, better than most of the new sites I have tried in the past few years.
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I appear to be having the same problem
On the 1st of June, all of the sales that I achieved on Polylooks during the month of May, were credited to my Zoonar account.
On the 1st of July, all of the sales that I achieved on Polylooks during the month of June, were credited to my Zoonar account.
The sales that I achieved each month far out-weighed what I have been achieving on sites such as Featurepics, Cutcaster, Veer, Deposit Photos, and Graphic Leftovers. For a relatively new site, and considering that I've only been a member of Zoonar for a short time, I was more than pleased with the sales that I achieved during this two-month period.
However, I'm puzzled why it appears that I didn't achieve ONE sale on Polylooks during the 31 days of July.
I wrote to Zoonar's Michael, yesterday, to ask him to look into this matter.
He promptly replied to my e-mail, offering me the possible reason for the lack of any sales during July, might be due to the fact that a lot of people in Germany are on holidays during July and early August and, consequently, photo sales should be expected to be low.
I notified him that I could not get Zoonar to work for a number of hours between the 31st of July and the 2nd of August. I asked him to look into the possibility that if the Zoonar site was down during this period, the Polylooks sales figures for July may not have updated properly on to the Zoonar site. He promptly replied to my request and stated that he would look into this.
It might be a good idea for others in the same situation to log their concern in this thread.
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had 1 sale for july 1st - I got 91 euro
had about 6 for aug 1st - I got 5.72 euro
with how much they gave me for uploading I will happy with them a long time :)
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I noticed that I got several "partner" sales as Zoonar in Jan marked as Polylooks. How can? Isn't Polylooks fully closed for several months?
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At the beginning of january we have booked the december earnings from polylooks.
We think that Age and Photolibrary will be a good surrogate for polylooks (but the sales will just beginn in April 2011). And some more partner will be implement in the next weeks too. We recommend you to release your photos for our partners DDP Images and Picturemaxx too.
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I noticed that I got several "partner" sales as Zoonar in Jan marked as Polylooks. How can? Isn't Polylooks fully closed for several months?
They announced to close earlier but they finally closed the shop end of the year.
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Thanks for clarification. It's a pity they closed Polylooks when it just started to pick up... Let's see if the other partners will work better.
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Paying us to upload and then closing site afterwards is funny - microstock is never boring.
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Paying us to upload and then closing site afterwards is funny - microstock is never boring.
Was it Zoonar or Polylooks who paid us for uploading, can't remember...
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Was it Zoonar or Polylooks who paid us for uploading, can't remember...
[updated]jointly Polylooks & zoonar
Paying us to upload and then closing site afterwards is funny - microstock is never boring.
I suppose it's different top managers at Deutche Telecom who made these 2 different decisions. One decided to give it a try and then some one else probably decided that it isn't a strategic business for Deutche Telecom and isn't worth spending anything more.
[updated]corrected typo - thank you microstockphoto.co.uk :)
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Zoonar paid ! We made the whole process and the money came also from us. But Polylooks gaves a part so it was a condition to release photos to booth agencies to get the money.
We also regret the decission from the german telekom ag. Polylooks was a very good venture....
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I wonder who is the partner "TELEKOM_1000_#001" as it doesn't look like the one in the list?
I just got a decent 20Eur sale in March attributed to that partner - interesting to know what it is.
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That was a special deal they made (and obviously Deutsche Telekom was the buyer). You should have gotten an e-mail in advance indicating what picture they intend to buy and for what usage, and you had to agree.
That's how it worked for me. It's been a while ago that they asked, and now the deal seems to have settled.
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I suppose it's different top managers at Deutche Telecom who made these 2 different decisions. One decided to give it a try and then some one else probably decided that it isn't a strategic business for Dreamstime and isn't worth spending anything more.
Automatic text replacement is funny... obviously MikLav wrote D T meaning Deutsche Telekom and now it's being replaced with Dreamstime
Scary scenario by merging the two companies! Soon they will reject phone calls: "Too many telephone conversations on the same subject or from the same series" ;D
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That was a special deal they made (and obviously Deutsche Telekom was the buyer). You should have gotten an e-mail in advance indicating what picture they intend to buy and for what usage, and you had to agree.
That's how it worked for me. It's been a while ago that they asked, and now the deal seems to have settled.
could be, don't remember.
I wonder if anyone is having sales at Zoonar. I had some Polylooks sales in the past, and I've got one Telecom sale, but I am not getting anything else than that. 0 sales of Zoonar itself, or any other partner.
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That was a special deal they made (and obviously Deutsche Telekom was the buyer). You should have gotten an e-mail in advance indicating what picture they intend to buy and for what usage, and you had to agree.
That's how it worked for me. It's been a while ago that they asked, and now the deal seems to have settled.
could be, don't remember.
I wonder if anyone is having sales at Zoonar. I had some Polylooks sales in the past, and I've got one Telecom sale, but I am not getting anything else than that. 0 sales of Zoonar itself, or any other partner.
Exact same experience here.
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That was a special deal they made (and obviously Deutsche Telekom was the buyer). You should have gotten an e-mail in advance indicating what picture they intend to buy and for what usage, and you had to agree.
That's how it worked for me. It's been a while ago that they asked, and now the deal seems to have settled.
could be, don't remember.
I wonder if anyone is having sales at Zoonar. I had some Polylooks sales in the past, and I've got one Telecom sale, but I am not getting anything else than that. 0 sales of Zoonar itself, or any other partner.
Exact same experience here.
Same here. 500+ files there, opted in all partners that offer micro option.
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Last sales from Polylooks. Nothing this year.
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Sales a rare and long in between. But today (only three days after I got the one of the Telekom deal mentioned above for 20 Euros) I had another sale, via APIS, 21 Euros my cut. For a file that is on the site in the Microstock price range. Not bad...
That got me my second payout, still a low performing site, but better than some of the low earners for me.
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I wonder if anyone is having sales at Zoonar. I had some Polylooks sales in the past, and I've got one Telecom sale, but I am not getting anything else than that. 0 sales of Zoonar itself, or any other partner.
Same here... some sales from Polylooks, one from TELEKOM and one from APISNETWORK but nothing from Zoonar itself. Luckily, prices paid by partners are good so even just a sale a month is more that I get at many other minor sites.
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Apisnetwork (picturemaxx) IS Zoonar himself. That is no other picture agency, it`s a software database solution for magazin editors (especially german print magazines but not only). Every agency have to find his one costumers there, because you are not automatically activated from the photo editors. Zoonar supplied many of his costumers to picturemaxx because it is a easy way to deliver photo files.
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Apisnetwork (picturemaxx) IS Zoonar himself. That is no other picture agency, it`s a software database solution for magazin editors (especially german print magazines but not only). Every agency have to find his one costumers there, because you are not automatically activated from the photo editors. Zoonar supplied many of his costumers to picturemaxx because it is a easy way to deliver photo files.
Then, great! I wish all sales in micro were at Apisnetwork's prices.
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polylooks last year, 1 nice one from apis, 4 of the 20 euro ones this year. I think age and some of the other partners aren't 'online' as yet
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no sales yet with 1000 files. been there since October last year.
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No sales at Zoonar yet. Been there since late December if I recall correctly. But I'm holding out for when the approved pictures start showing up on Photolibrary and AgeFotoStock. Especially my RM license stuff. As far as I can tell no photos from Zoonar are showing up at these two partners yet.
Just a suggestion to Michael Krabs, when our photos start showing up on Photolibrary and AgeFotoStock, it would be appreciated if you could send an email out to the contributors. Or at least give us an update when this might happen. Thanks.
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I have not signed up at zoonar as I am scheptical, but I have a question.. If they are releasing images to photolibrary and age, and they are accepting microstock images, how do they separate those?
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At Age we have now Online roundabout:
25.000 RF-Premium Photos
49.000 RM Photos
50.000 RF-Microstock Photos
since 10 days. We try to release 10-15k new photos every week. Photolibrary needs longer to release the first batch of 300.000 photos.
Seperation of different price-levels and licence types is a very easy process...
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Thanks for the update Michael! :)
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At Age we have now Online about:
25.000 RF-Premium Photos
49.000 RM Photos
50.000 RF-Microstock Photos
since 10 days. We try to release 10-15k new photos every week. Photolibrary needs longer to release the first batch of 300.000 photos.
Seperation of different price-levels and licence types is a very easy process...
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At Age we have now Online roundabout:
25.000 RF-Premium Photos
49.000 RM Photos
50.000 RF-Microstock Photos
since 10 days. We try to release 10-15k new photos every week. Photolibrary needs longer to release the first batch of 300.000 photos.
Seperation of different price-levels and licence types is a very easy process...
Are the images you send to photolibrary exclusive?
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At Age we have now Online roundabout:
25.000 RF-Premium Photos
49.000 RM Photos
50.000 RF-Microstock Photos
since 10 days. We try to release 10-15k new photos every week. Photolibrary needs longer to release the first batch of 300.000 photos.
Seperation of different price-levels and licence types is a very easy process...
Are the images you send to photolibrary exclusive?
No, you can sent the same photos to AGE/THP, Alamy, Picturemaxx, DDP and more partners via the Zoonar partner control. Check it out!
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Michael,
i just got a sale on apisnetwork for 48 euro, which is fabulous. under standard pricing, the highest amt is 45 euros, so am i getting 100% on royalty free or merchandising as extra? you also mentioned that it's mostly magazines that use apisnetwork, so would they need those extra licencings? thanx!
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Sometimes we (and you) earn more, for example if the costumer wants to show the photo at the print AND the online magazine (same edition, same journal). There are many possible reason for higher earnings...
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Is Zoonar worth to join ?? difficult submit like Alamy ? ???
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I had with them a little over 50 sales. Most of them last year through Polylooks, and 4 of the ERU20.-- sales this month. Started uploading to them in Nov. 09 and my first sale was in Jan. 2010. Yes I am glad that I started with them. Hope the will find another partner like Polylooks again soon.
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they're one of the easiest places to submit to, if you have all your iptc info entered. i have only a slightly larger portfolio at zoonar and it has done much better than alamy at macro pricing.
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Dear photographers,
since there are frequently asked questions about the procedures here at Zoonar, we want to provide you with this guide. We hope it will help you make more money at Zoonar.
Zoonar has two focal points. Our first focus is the German language picture market. Our second focus is the effort to set up a global distribution network. Zoonar is no typical microstock agency. Photographers can make good money at Zoonar but they also have to be more patient than with other agencies. As a rule, it takes about six months until new photos are processed (quality control, translation of keywords) and integrated into the distribution network. The time also depends on the selected distribution partner.
It’s your decision which partners get your pictures. This does NOT happen automatically. Thus, if you don’t accept a partner and submit pictures no pictures of you will be activated for the distribution network. You should always select the partners Picturemaxx/APIS and DDP Images, because they generate most of the revenue. To accept a partner please go to
“My profile / partner management”
Here you can accept the terms and conditions of the various partners. Once you have accepted one or more partners you can start submitting pictures. You can do this in
“My profile / manage pictures”
There are two possibilities. You can activate automatic submission of ALL your photos by checking the “advanced partner settings” option or you can select individual pictures and then click on “edit photos” to submit them manually.
Before you can submit pictures you have to give model and property release information. Even if your pictures don’t require any release, you still have to set the option to “not required”. You can give the release information in the “my profile / manage pictures” section and then by selecting pictures and clicking on the “edit photos” button.
Photos without release information will not be activated for distribution through one of our partners. Furthermore, the automatic submission of photos only works when you’ve given the appropriate release information.
All photos which you submit for a partner are first checked by our editors, There are various reasons for this new selection process. Some partners require different minimum picture sizes than Zoonar, others require special keywording or accept only pictures of one price category. For example, Alamy only accepts pictures with 25 MB uncompressed file size, AGE/THP require 23 MB. Fotofinder only accepts premium photos, Picture Alliance only accepts animal photos with special keywords. All this is subject to change, thus more pictures could be accepted for our partners at some later time.
Furthermore, the photos get new and/or additional keywords. Keywords are translated from English to German and vice versa. All photos you submit for Picturemaxx get German keywords. All Alamy pictures get “essential keywords”, which are required by Alamy. All of this can take some time, since some of the translation processes and keywording are done manually for best results. Especially essential keywords have to be assigned manually.
Photos with a RF licence retain their licence when activated for a partner. The same goes for RM photos.
Photos which are activated for one of our partners can’t be deleted early. If you want to delete one of your photos at one of the partners you have to go to “my profile / manage pictures”, select the picture you want to delete (or several pictures) and then click on “edit photos”. Now you can delete the photo. Please note that it takes six months until the photo is actually deleted. Some partners have a blocking period of six months and then we also have to be able to account your fees if your deleted photo gets sold and this only works if the picture is still in our database of course.
Some partners pay the photographer’s fee monthly, others quarterly. Therefore it can take some time before you get your first fees from one of our partners.
Zoonar will offer more partners over time. But even now you have the chance to distribute your photos worldwide through more than 100 partner agencies. With AGE/THP you get around 53 agencies, with Alamy around 50. Photolibrary has 13 branches worldwide. It takes a lot of time to get your photos into the partner network but it will pay off definitely.
Please check the “partner management” section once a month so you can activate new partners and/or sign up for our newsletter. New partners will be added and the more partners we have the higher your earnings will be.
Should you have any further questions please contact us in English at
[email protected].
You are also free to publish this text in online forums, blogs etc. It will help other photographers understand the procedures here at Zoonar.
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This really helps Michael, and is much appreciated.
I do have a related question...
Why do some photos show being accepted at first, like this:
(http://www.n-visual.com/forum_pics/zoonar_accepted.jpg)
...but then end up showing being rejected for one partner agency or even all partner agencies, like this?
(http://www.n-visual.com/forum_pics/zoonar_pl_rejected.jpg)
then...sometimes...
(http://www.n-visual.com/forum_pics/zoonar_all_rejected.jpg)
Was it because the first time is done automatically based on just technical reasons such as file size, but then rejected later on closer manual inspection? Was it because I set the price level as Premium but the inspectors thought it should have been set at the Standard price level?
I'm just concerned I'm doing something wrong on a few of my photos that are accepted on Zoonar, and were initially shown as accepted for a particular partner agency, but were later shown as rejected by all of the partner agencies.
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Thanks Michael,
I have one more question - vectors are offered only by Zoonar and not by parnters?
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This really helps Michael, and is much appreciated.
I do have a related question...
Why do some photos show being accepted at first, like this:
([url]http://www.n-visual.com/forum_pics/zoonar_accepted.jpg[/url])
...but then end up showing being rejected for one partner agency or even all partner agencies, like this?
([url]http://www.n-visual.com/forum_pics/zoonar_pl_rejected.jpg[/url])
then...sometimes...
([url]http://www.n-visual.com/forum_pics/zoonar_all_rejected.jpg[/url])
Was it because the first time is done automatically based on just technical reasons such as file size, but then rejected later on closer manual inspection? Was it because I set the price level as Premium but the inspectors thought it should have been set at the Standard price level?
I'm just concerned I'm doing something wrong on a few of my photos that are accepted on Zoonar, and were initially shown as accepted for a particular partner agency, but were later shown as rejected by all of the partner agencies.
Dear Scott,
the first photo was accepted by our team, but ONE partner has not accepted this photo after submitting. The rest three partners have accepted this photo.
The second photo (third screenshot) was not accepted by our team
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Thanks Michael,
I have one more question - vectors are offered only by Zoonar and not by parnters?
Until today yes, but we try to find partners for vectors. This is also a technical problem because much of our partners havenb`t a vector FTP-import
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I have some questions..
there are 3 price ranges, premier, standard and microstock.. i know we should choose microstock if it is available through other microstock agencies. How about premier and standard? when i should choose premier or standard?
if there is a faster way to 'request approval' from every agencies? it seems there are 6 agencies to be requested and have to repeated 6 times for selected pictures.
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Premium is for macrostock photos and standard is what we call "midstock" in germany. We cannot fasten the release process for partner agencies, because that is not only in Zoonar`s hand. Some partners needs a long time to release new photos into their databases. At some partners the distribution agencies have to wait up to six months until a harddrive with 200.000 photos is online because this partners get to much harddrives from to much agencies at the same time. But we have 500.000 photos waiting in the pipeline... So that is a long time process. But this is normal. You will have the same at at other distributors with this partners. There are other partners we can deliver with new photos much faster. Like DDP, Picturemaxx, Fotofinder and so far.
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am i right to say that I can choose premier or standard for the price as long as those images aren't available through microstock agencies?
Premium is for macrostock photos and standard is what we call "midstock" in germany. We cannot fasten the release process for partner agencies, because that is not only in Zoonar`s hand. Some partners needs a long time to release new photos into their databases. At some partners the distribution agencies have to wait up to six months until a harddrive with 200.000 photos is online because this partners get to much harddrives from to much agencies at the same time. But we have 500.000 photos waiting in the pipeline... So that is a long time process. But this is normal. You will have the same at at other distributors with this partners. There are other partners we can deliver with new photos much faster. Like DDP, Picturemaxx, Fotofinder and so far.
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Yes
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I have some questions..
there are 3 price ranges, premier, standard and microstock.. i know we should choose microstock if it is available through other microstock agencies. How about premier and standard? when i should choose premier or standard?
if there is a faster way to 'request approval' from every agencies? it seems there are 6 agencies to be requested and have to repeated 6 times for selected pictures.
bottom of your portfolio page is partner management, you can set automatic release so you set releases etc and it will add the agencies you want (I think it adds them at the end of the day)