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Agency Based Discussion => New Sites - General => Topic started by: ason on December 14, 2007, 14:39
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Anybody tried/working with this..http://www.photocase.com/en/ ??
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At this point, I wouldn't submit anything to them.
First, members can get free credits easily. For example, members get 3 free credits every week. Images "purchased" with those credits earn the contributor nothing. So, in other words, people can have your images for free if they simply join.
Second, if you delete an image, then you lose 5 credits.
Third, all images are 1 euro, and you only get 60% of that. So a 16 or 20 MP image will get you the same royalty as a 2 MP image.
Finally, the image on the homepage has a woman picking her nose. I'm not sure about others, but that alone was a huge turn off.
Sorry, but I don't feel like supporting another site that seems to be in a race to the bottom.
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I browsed the site. It looks ok...I`m not sure if i will support the site as of yet.
Seems that there is a new microstock site every week!
I`m not too impressed by the homepage with a woman picking her nose. Don`t get me wrong...i like the concept behind that image and its quite refreshing to see something different ...but
Its just not a good impression, thats all :-\
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I'm not impressed,it's another one that will bite the dust along with most of the newer ones except maybe SV
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It's actually a very, very old site! Used to be an exchange site for designers. Much older than most Microstocksites.
As far as i know it was off for a while but after all these years seeing it here announced as a new one, well that is kind of funny :).
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grp_photo you so right. But for me its new ;) just read about it today...http://www.microstocknews.net/...
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Just a quick note about Photocase:
-we are quite old, having been around since 2001. (thank you grp_photo).
-we started out as a sharing site for designers (thank you grp_photo), and we aim to maintain aspects of this model as we grow and change.
thus, we don't function like a typical microstock site, nor do we have typical microstock photographers or typical microstock photos.
If anyone has any questions, you can email us (or me, Peter) at info [at] photocase.com or post something here.
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I can vouch for the 'not typical' I decided to give them a try and like all new sites I submitted the same batch. These are not only images accepted by all 10 of my regular sites but also my top 25 sellers. Over half were rejected in one batch and the rest are still under review. You have to request a reason and you can only make one request a day, so I'm waiting to find out the problem.
And I don't have any images of women picking there noses.
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And I don't have any images of women picking there noses.
AH...perhaps you've hit on something! ;)
I took a look and there doesn't appear to be much substance...you guys be sure to let us all know when sales take off!
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Well, it's official. My 25 best sellers, 100% rejected on photocase. Haven't gotten answer to my request for why on the one. Don't have the time, intersest, or inclination to ask why 25 times.
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Ok, I asked why on 2 of them. It took about a week each to get the same answer for both. So for any of you that meet the same fate, here is the rejection.
"Your photo has potential, but isn't totally to our taste. It's usually just little things that can make the difference: motif, colour, light or composition. You're on the right track!"
Not sure I can do business with a company that rejects 100% of my top 25 sellers, then tells me I'm on the right track.
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i love photocase and i would love to see more sites like them. even with less then 30 photos online i have made more money there, then with more then 100 photos on fotolia, bigstock or stockxpert (photocase pays in euros!!). i have the same shots on the stocksites but also some more stocky ones.
sure you can't upload your 25 bestsellers from stocksites and expect them to be best sellers there. they don't want your best stocksellers! they want something different (ok, sometimes i don't get why certain shots are accepted). its way more easy to get your shots accepted on usual stocksites, because they accept everything as long as it has no logos and no noise.
a friend of mine is a reviewer on photocase and once when i visited him, he was reviewing. while reviewing he just picked the ones which catch his eyes, out of hundreds and reject the rest. everybody is fine with this. so its not like on other sites where inspectors check every shot for every detail.
the best thing is, you don't have to waste time with keywording and stuff. you only have to do this if a shots gets accepted.
i saw shot from photocase printed in lots of german magazines and even on covers. (like the germanwide magazine "unispiegel"). not sure about other countries but they seem to be at least well known in germany.
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Well, I'm not sure that 'everybody' is fine with your buddy rejecting everything that doesn't 'catch his eye,' but glad you are doing well there.
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Well, I'm not sure that 'everybody' is fine with your buddy rejecting everything that doesn't 'catch his eye,' but glad you are doing well there.
Thanks for clarify how this site works. I will keep my portfolio away from this site by the moment
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cant find the woman picking her nose,
but did find a hairy leg on a flowery stiletto
:-*
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a friend of mine is a reviewer on photocase and once when i visited him, he was reviewing. while reviewing he just picked the ones which catch his eyes, out of hundreds and reject the rest.
this is 'interesting' ::)
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a friend of mine is a reviewer on photocase and once when i visited him, he was reviewing. while reviewing he just picked the ones which catch his eyes, out of hundreds and reject the rest.
this is 'interesting' ::)
At least it makes them different from most other sites :)
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a friend of mine is a reviewer on photocase and once when i visited him, he was reviewing. while reviewing he just picked the ones which catch his eyes, out of hundreds and reject the rest.
this is 'interesting' ::)
wow, i think i've kickstarted this old thread :D
but as i told you the site is different and i think this is a good thing. even with lots of people submitting, there are just a few photos added each day and this keeps the site very usable and less spammed.
you guys should search for "business" on the big6. you will see the same shots in all of those 6 (ok, without exclusives)! if you search for business on photocase you will see the difference.
there are buyers out there who wants exactly this difference.
sadly i didn't find this post, where a reviewer from a common stocksite told his story. i think i've seen it in shutterstock forums. the reviewer told how enjoyable it is to review the same stuff (style and subject) over and over again. like .. earth rendered with black background .. earth rendern with white background .. earth rendered peeking out of a giftbox .. earth rendered hands holding it .. earth rendered with this or that and so on. the sad fact is, he has to do it and he has to click the "accept button" if the file is technically ok even if there are hundreds of earths already online.
the earththing was an example, i think the originally text was about common household stuff.
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Interesting. On the other hand, go to photocase and do a search on 'business'
go ahead.
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Interesting. On the other hand, go to photocase and do a search on 'business'
go ahead.
I did. Thats laughable! .....(and a bit sad really)
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I spent a few minutes searching and liked what I saw. Looks like a great place for really different shots that I like but most of the other micros rejected, usually citing "composition" or "no clear center of interest", "incorrect white balance", or, my personal favorite, "too blurry for our taste". I'm talking about only the shots that really work in my opinion, with or without the above objections.
I do think I'll go mining my portfolio amongst the more quirky. Now that LO is finally buried I've got some free time.
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Do they translate keywords in to different languages? I might upload some to see if there are any sales.
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Looks like a great site for creative types. I would certainly consider it.
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Do they translate keywords in to different languages? I might upload some to see if there are any sales.
Yes, our keyword catalogue translates your keywords. So if, for exampe, you supply English keywords, they will be automatically translated into French, German and Spanish.
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wow, that's quick feedback! :o
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wow, that's quick feedback! :o
I love the DOF in this shot:
Tu es! A quelle belle profondeur de champ! (http://www.photocase.com/en/photodetail.asp?i=154537) ;D
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wow, that's quick feedback! :o
Yeah, sorry. I'll be better in the future.
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Oh I really like the "different" concept behind this site. It's good to know that there are at least one microstock site that has banned handshakes on white background :)
I just wish these rejection crazy sites would have FTP and that you could keyword afterwards if your images are accepted.
I think I'll give this one a go, I'll upload some of my weirdest microstock images to them plus some weird ones that I have never even dared to consider uploading to the regular microstock sites.
edit: wow they even have a queue number for uploaded photos!
edit2: does their logo have to look THAT crappy?
edit3: As a designer I have use for those free credits, but has anyone got any REAL money from this site?
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I just did a search there for "Ireland" and not a single image came up!
Database????
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I just did a search there for "Ireland" and not a single image came up!
Database????
Looks like our system hasn't caught up to that section yet, as we're still cataloguing older photos. //edit: looks like you have to search in Irish ;) . Search for Eire and you find Ireland photos.
Here's a lightbox in meantime.
http://photocase.com/en/collection.asp?l=100429
p.s. Perry: we payout often and the share is 60%. Lots of our photographers make money and just as important: have a good time too.
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I just did a search there for "Ireland" and not a single image came up!
Database????
[. Search for Eire and you find Ireland photos.
I find that really strange. Surely Ireland would and should be first keyword choice.
I doubt very much if buyers in far flung places with be at all familiar with " Eire"
I do sometimes use it but only as a secondary choice.
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I just did a search there for "Ireland" and not a single image came up!
Database????
[. Search for Eire and you find Ireland photos.
I find that really strange. Surely Ireland would and should be first keyword choice.
I doubt very much if buyers in far flung places with be at all familiar with " Eire"
I do sometimes use it but only as a secondary choice.
I've since fixed it so Ireland or Eire will return the same results. To be honest, I would never have thought of using Eire as a search term in a million years. You do have to remember that this was a German only site for 7 years, and even though we've had it professionally translated just recently, even pros aren't perfect. We're in the process of fine tuning everything, so this kind of discovery is helpful.
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I just did a search there for "Ireland" and not a single image came up!
Database????
[. Search for Eire and you find Ireland photos.
I find that really strange. Surely Ireland would and should be first keyword choice.
I doubt very much if buyers in far flung places with be at all familiar with " Eire"
I do sometimes use it but only as a secondary choice.
I've since fixed it so Ireland or Eire will return the same results. To be honest, I would never have thought of using Eire as a search term in a million years. You do have to remember that this was a German only site for 7 years, and even though we've had it professionally translated just recently, even pros aren't perfect. We're in the process of fine tuning everything, so this kind of discovery is helpful.
I do understand now and thanks for replying.
Wish you the best.
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Dudebun,
Have you any comment on the earlier post about how your reviewers select images? (See reply number 11).
Also, How long has your site been in Beta?
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Dudebun,
Have you any comment on the earlier post about how your reviewers select images? (See reply number 11).
Also, How long has your site been in Beta?
I do have a comment about that earlier post. I don't know who that was or is, and I sent a private message asking the poster to reintroduce themselves, but got no response. We receive thousands of photos a day which go into a main queue. Photos are examined by our photo editing staff. Images that are deemed "approvable" are moved into the next and final queue and reviewed a second time by a smaller review team. Ideally every uploaded photo gets 10 pairs of eyes on it before a decision is made, but the average is slightly less. Do note our criteria are different from other stock sites. The style and feel are different. What gets accepted elsewhere may not at Photocase.
We've been in Beta since the beginning, 2001. For us it simply means that certain things are always being upgraded/updated/fine tuned. Today for example we installed a new "100% sample" viewer without any fanfare.
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Searching the database on the German site for "Lebensmittel", then I receive ~ 2247 images. When searching on the English site for "food", then I receive ~ 105 images.
France site "nourriture" = 189 images
Spanish site "alimento" = 1344 images
Do you need to keyword in multiple languages? If the site is correctly translating all keyword, then these search term should have a similar result. At least not that big of a difference.
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Dudebun,
Thanks for your reply. That made things clearer.
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Searching the database on the German site for "Lebensmittel", then I receive ~ 2247 images. When searching on the English site for "food", then I receive ~ 105 images.
France site "nourriture" = 189 images
Spanish site "alimento" = 1344 images
Do you need to keyword in multiple languages? If the site is correctly translating all keyword, then these search term should have a similar result. At least not that big of a difference.
No you don't have to keyword in multiple languages, you just have to be thorough in the finalization process. Many aren't. This particular problem is a combination of a too literal translation translation ("food stuffs" returns more than 500 resuts), as well as having user supplied keywords (see below).
@ Clivia: I guess Beta could apply to our new keyword catalogue too, ;)
The problem we face is: users enter free text as keywords, if the system doesn't know the words it asks for clarification. if the user chooses not to clarify then the word has to be translated by the bureau and then manually added later. So, the system works if you work it. We're working on a fix for this. The keyword catalogue is getting better and better, and finding problems like this helps. Thanks,
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I thought give it a try so I send them 15 pictures only 2 got accepted.
Don't know why the rest got rejected .......
My findings on the site I like the style and kind of pictures they have you now artistic way but some are worse very worse.
blown highlights,under expo,over expo,very tight crob,purple fringing .
Normaly I through them in my recycle bin.
See what happens in the future...........................
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site seems a bit "template" styled and uninspiring (and I really dont like the font), but then many sites including some very popular ones do to me.
I dont have a need to buy images but if I was a customer having 'beta' on any webpage I come across, says to me new and may not be around long. I wouldn't be greatly to keen to hand over credit card details or at least leave many credits there. I think I'd only really be looking for freebies.
you can 'browse all' - brings up 6463 pages of 21 images each so 135723 total images. so long way to go.
a site this small, with very cheap prices and giving away so many images has each image reviewed by what 7-10 people? maybe I'm wrong but I'm sorry I dont believe it and to come here and make that comment is making alarm bells ring to me (like I said maybe I'm wrong). I cant see how any site could work financially having that many people review unless they all do it for free.
by the time that I consider that very few small sites are worth the effort, this one has very cheap pricing with way too many freebies, and some dubious claims. I'll pass...
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every uploaded photo gets 10 pairs of eyes on it before a decision is made, but the average is slightly less.
Puhleeezzz, cut the bulls**t will you!!!
More like you've got some spaced out teenager with double vision hitting the delete button every few seconds because you can't afford to pay for any more storage space.
[url]http://www.photocase.com/en/collection.asp?m=detail&i=133787[/url] is a prime example of the crap floating around the place.
LMAO....... that is SO true! Iriz you just made my day :D:D:D
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wow, it's getting exciting in here.
I guess I'll start on Iriz: I'm a little weirded out here, I can't quite get why you're getting so worked up about this. The fact is, we publish a particular style of photos that we think is lacking in the stock world. If you don't like our style or don't get it, then that's totally fine with me. But what's totally offside is personally insulting me and the staff and the photographers at Photocase. Show some respect.
@ clearview: i should have been more clear. Every photo isn't checked by every reviewer. We have 10 reviewers, and "ideally" they all see every photo, but in practice that doesn't happen due to any number of circumstances. And i take your comment "a long way to go" means that we are small-fry because we don't have a catalogue of millions. We reject more than 90% of the photos that are uploaded because we aren't willing to compromise our catalogue simply to be able to say we've got more photos than the other guy.
@Xalanx: I'm a little weirded out by you too, and why you're getting such a kick out of such caustic remarks.
in general: We're a niche site with a specific style and vision that we're proud of. Saleability isn't priority one, so breaking us down that way doesn't make sense. And getting all fired up over the style of the catalogue is also silly. If you don't like it or don't get it, that's ok. People have different taste.
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[url]http://www.photocase.com/en/collection.asp?m=detail&i=133787[/url] is a prime example of the crap floating around the place.
I like them. They have their own style. Well, I'm not the one to judge whether they are sell-able or not. Also I likely don't have the knowledge to fully judge them from professional perspective. From purely personal perspective I like them and I certainly do not consider them 'prime crap'.
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Saleability isn't priority one
Well that's an interesting strategy!
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@ Iriz: you're already worked up.
@RT: correct.
@ everyone:
Do not come to Photocase.com, you will only waste your time and ours.
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@ everyone:
Do not come to Photocase.com, you will only waste your time and ours.
I think we already worked that out!
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Do not come to Photocase.com, you will only waste your time and ours.
Absolutely correct, that's about the most honest thing you've come out with yet!
Took you long enough ::)
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Been there done .........
They clame to be different than other stock Yes they are. NOT
In my case the most stocky picture I have TREE IN A MEADOW and SUMMER GLOW they accepted and the most artistic pictures got rejected ..........HMMM makes you wonder .....................
Never the less I like the site (some pictures are realy great) Still not every picture I like or understand................. still don't understand them yet...................maybe in the future I think I'm getting old...........................And have a different look at ART and artistic photography
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@ Iriz: you're already worked up.
@RT: correct.
@ everyone:
Do not come to Photocase.com, you will only waste your time and ours.
So that's Priority One - Don't come here.
Thanks for clearing that up, it appears the buyers already got the message but it was good of you to come here and explain it also applies to contributors.
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Do not come to Photocase.com, you will only waste your time and ours.
Thanks for being clear.
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In no way was my last comment meant to be malicious. I came here with the intention of answering any questions about Photocase, unintentionally ruffled a few feathers, and in the end came to the conclusion that the style of stock photography offered by photographers who identify as "microstockers," isn't a good fit for Photocase.
I posted this on a Photocase forum within a similar kind of Photocase vs Microstock thread, and maybe it's worth reading for all of you:
"...acceptance criteria at Photocase are no different from any other stock catalogue, (composition; style; theme; motif; exposure; minimum resolution; saleability; free from excessive noise, editing and/or artifacting; etc ) we just weigh them differently here. [A user] stated earlier that phone photos generally sell well. Some other sites may say "phone photos sell, accept more phone photos," [to their reviewers] and may even make it known to their users that they should upload more phone photos. At Photocase we wouldn't do something like that, but rather would continue to accept phone photos that are, in the eyes of our reviewers, remarkable. This is what users from a microstock background have to understand about Photocase: we're not in a race to have the most, we're only concerned with accepting good-quality, unique, stylish photos. That's our vision."
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Maybe some don't like the style of Photocase - for me it is a good opportunity to shoot and offer something different as the "normal" clean pictures which are normally accepted at the BIG 6. I send my pics to the Big 6 and 123, but Photocase with only 80 Pics online is a steady no. 3 to 4, with similar sales as Fotolia.
After the recent rising of sale prices in December the average sale price is 3 US$ and they are selling each pic 3 times a year - would be nice if the other sites can offer the same rate.
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ulmu, how ironically - you just registered yesterday and your only post in a thread is the one above. Coincidence? I think not.
I am supremely confident that this is not the most interesting thread on MSG. So why don't you take your dudebrother and go tell someone else how much you're making out of the site you're workin' for? (photocase be that). I am very confident again that noone believes your success story with photocase.
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I have no idea if the new posters that have posted in this thread work for photocase or not. It would be a shame to put them off if they are genuine, even if that seems unlikely. It would be nice to know if any of the people who have been here longer make any money with photocase though.
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Thanks Danicek - wise words! I'm really surprised about the tone in this forum - it is always nice to talk with open minded persons. The raised issues are so stupid that I prefer to say nothing against - it's definitely not worth it!
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Thanks Danicek - wise words! I'm really surprised about the tone in this forum - it is always nice to talk with open minded persons. The raised issues are so stupid that I prefer to say nothing against - it's definitely not worth it!
I don't understand the anger in these posts. Is there something personal here?
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Thanks Danicek - wise words! I'm really surprised about the tone in this forum - it is always nice to talk with open minded persons.
I feel that the main feeling is just curiosity and amazement. Going thru the site (I did) we are amazed at the subpar quality of some shots, like on-cam flash hard shadow, shallow DOF and so on. One could argue this kind of shots has a special artistic value and there is a market for it, so no prejudice at all.
Just sheer curiosity. Do this kind of shots actually sell in a niche market, or is it more a fun photoshare/rating site? Not everybody here is a standard stock shooter but many of us have special shots too we don't even bother to upload to traditional stock because we know they won't sell there. But they could try with an alternative site. Of course, most of us are concentrated on sales, even for "fun" shots. It would be helpful if you could give an idea of actual sales since I couldn't find that info on the site.
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dudebun
Personally you haven't ruffled my feathers but I can see why you think you may have upset some.
For what its worth I think you may have come here thinking this is just a forum for some wannabe microstockers who dream of the lights and glamour of the big stock world, many here ( 2 others that I know of who have answered this thread ) have been and are successful on sites like Getty, Corbis, Alamy etc and submit to microstock sites as another revenue source, so the 'ten sets of eyes reviewing team' and 'niche style' just ain't gonna wash because we know the industry and can spot a bit of corporate BS a mile of.
Your comment "Do not come to Photocase.com, you will only waste your time and ours" is I'm sorry to say not what I would expect of a representative from a stock site, and as I mentioned earlier saying that saleability is not priority one is IMO quite possibly the worst thing you could say, what would possess anybody to upload to a stock agency that isn't concerned with selling their work.
I had a look at your site and I don't see anything that would encourage me to upload there, but good luck for the future.
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Warren: you may be onto something there.
RT: I didn't come here with any notions of anything. People were asking about Photocase so I answered. We have 10 reviewers at Photocase, i said ideally they all see the photos but in practice that doesn't happen, and averages less. Not a lie. And I don't see why saying we fill a niche qualifies as corporate BS. We sell a particular thing to particular customers where we perceive there to be a lack. Is a lone flower shop amongst fast-food and magazine stands in a train station corporate BS too?
re: the don't come to Photocase comment, I suppose I could have been more flowery about it, but the fact remains that the majority of the users on this forum have expectations, as far as photo-approvals go, from years of working with other websites. Yes, we accept and sell photos, but not the way the large ones do. As for the saleability comment, I thought I cleared that up with my example about telephone photos, but I guess not, so here's the short version: saleability is not weighted as heavily in our approval process. Of course we love to sell photos, but we want to sell photos that are exciting and different. Sales come as a result of our selection. People go to their favorite restaurant because they like the food. People come to Photocase because of the photos. If you don't like sushi, I'm not going to invite you to my favorite restaurant. What's the point you'll just sit there turning up your nose the whole time.
As for your final comment, thank you for checking us out, absolutely no hard feelings and I wish you luck too.
FlemishDreams:
This is a very interesting point and illustrates the expectations comment I made above: you say that "on-cam flash hard shadow, shallow DOF and so on," is "sub par." I want to strongly state here that by no means do we think any of these qualities are sub-par. A great photo is a great photo, even if it's noisy or has razor-thin dof, or lens flare (real lens flare not the photoshop abomination) or vignetting or a hard-shadow or what have you. I'm trying really hard not to use the "forest for the trees" idiom. But there it is. We would never reject a stunning photo simply because of some vignetting or mild noise.
We instituted a new pricing model in December so we're tracking the effects of the price increase. Sales are exceeding projections. I will say our top earners have made more than 200€ this month already.
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Too many of the microstock sites have the same images on sale, don't lots of people here complain about that?, so I think it is good to see a site doing something different. Perhaps if I can get hold of a decent medium format film scanner, I will try them with my pinhole photos.
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Ok, we are 1 member less now and a few posts shorter.
One member was banned for excessively rude and unnecessary comments and private messages.
Sorry I didn't see this thread earlier.
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Photocase seems to be out of their beta phase, that happened today or yesterday.
It's a very interesting site, with a decent RPI (somewhere between stockxpert and dreamstime RPIs for me)
The "problem" is that they reject almost everything and give images also against free credits (that means the photographer gets zero). Still a good RPI and no categories or stuff is needed before an image is accepted (I wish other sites had that too...)
I just wish they had FTP so I could dump my whole portfolio there, now I have just picked some of my most photocase-looking pics that I have sent. That is propably their strategy: they don't want their review department to be flooded with typical micro stuff.
They really want the stuff that looks interesting and would be rejected on other sites for noise, composition, subject matter or over-filtering :)
As a bonus for those that do both photography and graphic design is that you get free credits for every accepted image, those credits can be used for purchasing images for projects.
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Love the place.
With only a few images accepted got more income than DT,StockXpert,Istock etc
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Love the place.
With only a few images accepted got more income than DT,StockXpert,Istock etc
That got my attention. I am browsing the site in a separate window. Haven't registered yet so may not be seeing everything. I'm curious about their place in the Micro world/Macro world. Do they accept images that are already online at microsites?
ed: also noticed that they publish info on buyers of your photographs.
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I tried uploading a few and I have a 100% rejection rate so far. I might try again one day when I am really bored but there is too much to do with all the sites that accept most of my images.
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I can't find a link to FTP or any other way to upload more than one image at the time. Where am I missing this?
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As far as I know there is no FTP sorry....
Send in some unusual non stock like images, strange landscapes, strange poses, colors etc...
Yes you get many rejection but once accepted almost every image gonna get at least a sale and many many views.
It's allowed to send in images your already selling trough other stock sites.
Good luck
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My first time reading this thread and quite an interesting progresion of thought. Im not sure if my port would be anything they'd be interested in, but at least its nice to see that some are having some level of success there from a site that is in many respects unique in its approach.
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Very unique, indeed. Look at this one (http://www.photocase.com/en/photodetail.asp?i=183299). When I type English keywords (try "business"), I get strange and irrelevant results. I can't imagine anything selling there, so the posters that had sales, could you please put up a link to the sold image? Just curious...
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Is there an "acceptance procedure" here? I don't know how many images to upload or if I should start just dumping my portfolio there???
I don't know how well it will/would sell but there is some really wierd (unusual) stuff here ... almost as weird as me. :P
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Is there an "acceptance procedure" here? I don't know how many images to upload or if I should start just dumping my portfolio there???
I don't know how well it will/would sell but there is some really wierd (unusual) stuff here ... almost as weird as me. :P
Just in small batches would in my experience work best.
Not to much of the same subject.
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Thanks,
Just went thru the finalization of my first upload. It is a bit cumbersom. But, I see a lot a highly saturated landscapes. I may have found a home. :P
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I like the website and the photos, very artistic. :) Don't know how well I would do on a German site but do have some bizarre nature photos I could try to upload. Who knows.
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Ooooops... spoke too soon. They are rejecting 3 outta 4. :'(
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it's very normal rejection 29 out of 30 or even more....
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it's very normal rejection 29 out of 30 or even more....
DANG!!! That could really damage my tender psyche. :P
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ooooh a low/ no earner AND high rejection rates!
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oeps double post
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ooooh a low/ no earner AND high rejection rates!
Their is enough earnings once you got an image accepted.
With only a few on line and in a short time I earned almost 100 euros.
The lowest payout for an image correct me if I'm wrong 1,20 euros
The highest 42 euros
I was also very sceptical when I started in begin of Februari but now I love the site and how they sell.
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ooooh a low/ no earner AND high rejection rates!
As I wrote earlier in this thread, Photocase has one of the highest RPIs (for accepted images, that is).
I have made more money with Photocase than for example Featurepics, Canstockphoto, VeerMP, Scanstockphoto...
and my Photocase portfolio size is under 5% of those sites...
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Alright fair enough then if what is accepted actually sells.
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I have made more money with Photocase than for example Featurepics, Canstockphoto, VeerMP, Scanstockphoto... and my Photocase portfolio size is under 5% of those sites...
Can anybody give an example of what actually got accepted there? It's very hard to believe that anybody would want to buy there. For instance, this (http://www.photocase.com/en/photodetail.asp?i=177711) is the first image that turns up entering "business man" in the search box. I'm still flabbergasted, more as a buyer than as a contributor.
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I have made more money with Photocase than for example Featurepics, Canstockphoto, VeerMP, Scanstockphoto... and my Photocase portfolio size is under 5% of those sites...
Can anybody give an example of what actually got accepted there? It's very hard to believe that anybody would want to buy there. For instance, this ([url]http://www.photocase.com/en/photodetail.asp?i=177711[/url]) is the first image that turns up entering "business man" in the search box. I'm still flabbergasted, more as a buyer than as a contributor.
LOL don't you understand....
THAT MAN KNOWS HIS BUSINESS SO IT'S A BUSINESS MAN LMAO
sometimes I wonder myself what's is or what's out I only know once in a while they accept images of mine and will sell at least once.
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There's a "kaycee" photographer listed on photocase but has no portfolio. I assume you go by a different name there? I was just curious to see your port so I got an idea of what actually sold there.
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There's a "kaycee" photographer listed on photocase but has no portfolio. I assume you go by a different name there? I was just curious to see your port so I got an idea of what actually sold there.
I'm their with my real name "karinclaus" Have fun
(I have only 14 photos accepted at photocase)
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I like the website and the photos, very artistic. :) Don't know how well I would do on a German site but do have some bizarre nature photos I could try to upload. Who knows.
They're killing me ... but... I think I'm getting close. ??? :P
Epantha, I think you are onto something. I'm making another tour thru my port, looking for something in which a German publisher/blogger might be interested.
So far, though, I'm embarrassed and my ego is in a shambles. :-[ ;D
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Well, I tried to sign up last weekend but never got my activation code :-\ Sent a note to support.
Haven't had the privilege of being rejected yet. :) Hopefully soon!
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I actually signed up last Thursday and was going to submit some stuff there when I discovered ( should have found this out earlier but glad I didn't find out too late) that contributors get free credits for every image that gets accepted; credits that can be used to download other images for free. I dont like the idea of others downloading my images for free and there's no way to opt out of this, so I decided agianst uploading anything there.
I also got really sick of the photo of that girl picking her nose in the image rotation...yuck!
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I finally took a look over there. It's Different I must say. Kinda like if Flickr all of a sudden allowed you to sell your images. Flickr does have some great images on it along with the little "what is that" snaps. I am not saying it's a bad thing though. It's just a different style. If it sells then keep at it.
I think I might have a go at it and see.
Edit: Signed up and got 10 for review. Got to wait and see ... along with Warren...lol.
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No activation code. No reply to my email to support. Seems rather unprofessional. Guess I'll let this one go.
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I finally took a look over there. It's Different I must say. Kinda like if Flickr all of a sudden allowed you to sell your images. Flickr does have some great images on it along with the little "what is that" snaps. I am not saying it's a bad thing though. It's just a different style. If it sells then keep at it.
I think I might have a go at it and see.
Edit: Signed up and got 10 for review. Got to wait and see ... along with Warren...lol.
I really don't get it. To me their collection makes Flickr look good. I see very few images that rise above the level of junk and badly focused junk at that.
fred
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The other thing I found a little odd at Photocase was while scrolling through the list of contributors I found it pretty rare to find photogs with ports over 50 images. Most have ports of under 20 images. I found one guy with 400 and another with 200, but they were clear exceptions.
Must be really difficult getting images accepted there.
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No activation code. No reply to my email to support. Seems rather unprofessional. Guess I'll let this one go.
That is really unusual, I think, Epantha. Mine came in minutes. I think it is automated.
Did you check your junkmail???
I've been submitting 2 or 3 at the time and now have two full pages of rejections. I'm running out of ideas. :-\
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I tried about 5 times to get an activation code. Their email is not in the junk or deleted files, never showed up, like it was blocked or something. I give up or could try a different email address.
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They are different, but different is not bad. They are a small earner for me so far, but the images that they are accepting don't get just downloads but also sales. So as long as I have sales with them, I will continue uploading to them.
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I kind of like the free spirited character of that site but I just don't understand HOW it works. If you do a search for "Architecture" you get everthing without rhyme or reason . . . . so to speak. I did sign up, but . . . I guess I will wait to see what they accept and what the consequences are.
Etien
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I'm in! PC didn't like my bellsouth email address so I tried my website email. That worked. Now have 10 pending. I like how you can see the pending number. :)
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Whooooooo Hoooooooo 10 for 10
Rejected.
Guess I will got ask people if I can take a pic of them while they pic their noses. Only then will I try them again...lol.
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Isn't that repulsive. Maybe not understanding their reasoning for headlining that pictures is why I have only two images online there.
I just can not figure what to upload????? :-\
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After briefly going through some of their images, it is my impression that they are interested in "artsy and young" imagery. The stuff is not unlike some of the graphics you might see on MTV and VIVA, or in Art Galleries (not necessarily Photography Galleries) . . . . . the low quality spontaneous imagery (from mobile phones) that is part of the youth culture is now what some advertisers are looking for to target that age group.
I once asked a video artist friend of mine why she created her pieces using the camera on her mobile phone and not buy some good gear. She told in no uncertain terms that THAT was the LOOK that was important.
So maybe its time to dump the Nikon and take some shots with my mobile phone . . .
leaf dropped this link on us a few days ago, check it out . .
http://cellularobscura.blogspot.com/ (http://cellularobscura.blogspot.com/)
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One more accepted... total = 3.
I swear, I get almost as excited about getting one accepted here as selling one at most places. LOL
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I think etien has a good point. Look at the photog profiles and you'll see that most of them are listed with ages in their late teens and early 20's. They're producing a different kind of stock imagery that strays from what we are used to considering as stock. While it's great that there's an agency for this kind of photography, it's certainly not wihin my portfolio realm.
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I was young once. May have to dig thru the film archives for my "young stuff." :D
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I was young once. May have to dig thru the film archives for my "young stuff." :D
great attitude!
i actually like submitting to photocase. it frees up the inner photographer in you to shoot more (or less) than stock requires. funny thing is, they actually prefer the straight photos that other stock agencies have accepted.
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i am a member since a couple of years but i am not very active. i think the majority of photocase users are just doing it for fun and not for a living. thats why most people have less then 100 photos online.
to me its fun to upload a couple of shots and have some of them getting through. even if my photos are not the usual photocase style, i made it to 91 photos online. but i really like the rpi of the site. all of my 25 top selling images have made me more then 2€ up to 33€ per image. on some months, i earn more there then with almost 300 photos online on pages like fotolia, StockXpert, 123, bigstock and co. probably nothing compared to people with thousands of photos online, but fine to me.
just for comparison:
my photocase profile: http://www.photocase.com/en/user.asp?u=100119 (http://www.photocase.com/en/user.asp?u=100119)
my dreamstime profile: http://www.dreamstime.com/Sint_info (http://www.dreamstime.com/Sint_info)
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i like your port on photocase, sint. have you considered joining getty artists? it's great to know that these more artsy photos have a good market (maybe like getty).
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no, i haven't. but i probably need a fullframe camera first?!
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i meant the flicker collection on getty. http://www.gettyimages.com/creative/frontdoor/contributors (http://www.gettyimages.com/creative/frontdoor/contributors)
(don't panic ;))
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Sint... I see your in Potsdam. Nice area. Was stationed on Teufelsberg in Berlin during the fall of the Wall. Took a trip out in Potsdam one time just to wander around. I miss Germany.. or the way I remember it. I hear Berlin changed alot since the US Army pulled out.
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After loads of rejections, I had two accepted. It feels good getting lots of rejections, I like having a challenge. Hopefully this will inspire me to move away from the standard stock look. I used to be much more creative but now I am thinking about how well a photo will do on the stock sites before taking it.
http://www.photocase.com/en/user.asp?u=341194 (http://www.photocase.com/en/user.asp?u=341194)
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Very nice and congratulations to getting some accepted. :)
Just had my first ten rejected but I'm determined to find something they might like. Last weekend I went out to shoot photos without stock in mind and tried to find artsy, interesting shots instead. I'll upload some of those. Keeps me from being bored at least. :-\ I was doing the same thing where I was only looking for photos I thought would sell well on the traditional sites.
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I see everyone is eager to join Photocase. With so many recent new sites failing, or at least not fulfilling its promises, what makes people so positive about them?
(I'm not criticizing anyone, I only want to know, because I'm tired of "new" sites).
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They're not new. Made in Germany since 2001 :)
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it's actually not a 'new' site. i was intriqued by them and when i joined, i found i had an account there dating back to 2004! and i only joined is and ss this year.
i just find it fun and a relief from the usual stock co. requirements. the fact that people say the rpi is really high and that the selection is actually even worse than fotolia makes you hold your breath as to which photo they will take. it's a nice diversion.
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They're not new. Made in Germany since 2001 :)
Ok, but all of a sudden people are talking about it, so I am curious.
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Because of the unique types of images they accept, I think it will help me and others to loosen up a bit and try something new. It's a good thing. ;D
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I see everyone is eager to join Photocase. With so many recent new sites failing, or at least not fulfilling its promises, what makes people so positive about them?
It's different.
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Well I uploaded 22 images several days ago. So far 7 have been reviewed with 4 accepted and 3 rejected. I guess I'll see how the rest fare in the review process. That final process for publishing photos is quite involved and time consuming; definitely not set up for mass uploads
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Well I uploaded 22 images several days ago. So far 7 have been reviewed with 4 accepted and 3 rejected. I guess I'll see how the rest fare in the review process. That final process for publishing photos is quite involved and time consuming; definitely not set up for mass uploads
There is an easier way of "finalizing" photos by clicking "use old version". I do that. I have no idea if that affects my sales.
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Well I uploaded 22 images several days ago. So far 7 have been reviewed with 4 accepted and 3 rejected. I guess I'll see how the rest fare in the review process. That final process for publishing photos is quite involved and time consuming; definitely not set up for mass uploads
Well that certainly makes me feel inadequate. ;D
I'm still trying but only four images accepted out of ???? a bunch. LOL
Congrats on getting it going.
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Lol turns out that those 4 were the only ones accepted from the 22, so I guess I don't have them figured out like I thought I did. Back to my portfolio with my tail between my legs...
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Lol turns out that those 4 were the only ones accepted from the 22, so I guess I don't have them figured out like I thought I did. Back to my portfolio with my tail between my legs...
actually, that makes me feel a lot better. ;) for a minute i thought we had an artistic genius in our midst.
i started out batting 1 in 6, now it's down to 1 in 20. arghhh! love to see your port.
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well at 4 images so far, it's not much of a port to look at yet. My fireworks shot seems to have alot of an "interestingness" factor though.
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Four in my port too. I've had two downloads .... but NO MONEY. Not so sure that getting credits for uploading makes a lot of sense. Turns the site into an "exchange" agency instead of a "sales" agency. Photographers who need images usually can make their own. What's the use for all those download credits??? :-\
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well at 4 images so far, it's not much of a port to look at yet. My fireworks shot seems to have alot of an "interestingness" factor though.
mine are sailboats. 4 too!
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Four in my port too. I've had two downloads .... but NO MONEY. Not so sure that getting credits for uploading makes a lot of sense. Turns the site into an "exchange" agency instead of a "sales" agency. Photographers who need images usually can make their own. What's the use for all those download credits??? :-\
About the same story here. One in 15 accepted with a "file sharing" download . . . . . I am starting to loose interest already, maybe this isn't the site for me.
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uploaded 5 good sellers, 5 rejected...not going to bother - life is short. Plus, go look at their collection - fairly shallow and fairly poor quality....don't get what they're trying to do and too busy to take the time to figure it out.
*steps off soapbox*
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SOLD ONE! And I've had only four accepted. Still can't figure out what they want but the one that sold was an image of a coal-burning power generating station in Page, Arizona. 1.20 Euro.
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Congratulations! ;D
Just started uploading recently in small batches of 2 and 3. None selected yet but will keep trying until they find something they like. Uploading some previously sent to other agencies and looking for "interesting shots" in my archives and keeping them in mind when I'm out shooting photos and playing around.
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Congrats Warren! Ah yes I know that power plant Page. That one does have stock potential for pollution concept shots.
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SOLD ONE! And I've had only four accepted. Still can't figure out what they want but the one that sold was an image of a coal-burning power generating station in Page, Arizona. 1.20 Euro.
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wow, we seem to be in lock step with each other. 4 photos, one (real) sale, 2 (credit) sales, numerous rejects (for me). congrats, twin!
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thanks. and congrats to you as well. Hope we get these guys figured out soon. Have you browsed the uploads from the last few days? WEIRD! some really strange images. Would sure love to know who buys from this site. ??? :-\
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i don't really see them as a stock agency more than an artsy gallery focusing on real photography (rather than the photoshopped to death red bubble) that's moody and experimental. i can definitely see some of the works on music cd covers (for alternative music) and lots of artsy publications that won't be using istock images.
but the sales are good as reported by others. i just got another one for an even bigger size, really makes up for the rejections.
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Suffering from rejection dejection here. After some early success, I can NOT for the life of me get an image accepted. At one time, I thought I had an idea what to upload. I was wrong.
I'm waiting now for my "matching download" with AP. LOL
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I've uploaded large groups, medium groups, small groups, one at a time, no luck getting any accepted. Don't have a clue what they want. Maybe they want more European style imagery. :-\ Who knows? If you find out, tell me please. :)
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i tried 2 of my best / artistic images...1 at a time with 2 weeks in between...both shot down. Not wasting any more time with them...life's short.
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Finally got one accepted. ;D
Quite an involved finalization process, but I didn't mind. I like the how the site works and enjoy seeing all the interesting photos. A breath of fresh air.
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It has gotten to be an obsession. ::)
I'm starting to submit stuff that should have been trashed long ago. I've also started asking questions in the forum. Seems like "Dudebun" is an admin. Hope he will continue to participate.
Congratulations on the acceptance. Is it something that is not on another site?
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It's on other sites, just doesn't sell much, pretty though. Didn't go through the cue like the others, approved in less than a day.
You can see it here:
http://www.photocase.com/en/photodetail.asp?i=186911 (http://www.photocase.com/en/photodetail.asp?i=186911)
I'm going back through photos I took 5-6 years ago before I became "stockmatized."
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congrats and here's to many more!
photocase gets really addictive as it's fun to see which one gets in amongst the thousands you send. it also pushed me to shoot in a more interesting way. funnily enough, the edgier ones i shoot just for pc is being accepted at other stock sites too.
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stockmatized Great word. ;D
Stock is killing the fun on my vacations. I can't seem to take an image without thinking STOCK!!! :(
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stockmatized Great word. ;D
Stock is killing the fun on my vacations. I can't seem to take an image without thinking STOCK!!! :(
Killing the fun? Getting loads of new stock images IS the fun, Warren! Just ask my ex partner (it, sadly, wasn't fun for her which is one reason why I say ex). She was quite interested to look at a little roadside chapel on a small Greek island for a few minutes, but after twenty minutes of me hunting for the best angles/lighting etc, tended to get a bit bored). And then, of course, BigStock reject them as "snapshot image" ;) It takes a special talent to spend that long achieving something that looks like I just clicked the button and walked on! Regards, David ("thinking stock" for 35 years now).
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stockmatized Great word. ;D
Stock is killing the fun on my vacations. I can't seem to take an image without thinking STOCK!!! :(
Killing the fun? Getting loads of new stock images IS the fun, Warren! Just ask my ex partner (it, sadly, wasn't fun for her which is one reason why I say ex). She was quite interested to look at a little roadside chapel on a small Greek island for a few minutes, but after twenty minutes of me hunting for the best angles/lighting etc, tended to get a bit bored). And then, of course, BigStock reject them as "snapshot image" ;) It takes a special talent to spend that long achieving something that looks like I just clicked the button and walked on! Regards, David ("thinking stock" for 35 years now).
I'm pretty sure angles and light are inherent to any kind of photography, David, especially landscapes and nature. I even look for the best angles for my editorial stuff (motorsports action.) BUT ... those don't seem to be the things that sell on stock sites. Maybe it's just me? :P
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Here's some tips from steffne from the Photocase forum:
1. Photos should be "complete," i.e., what you upload is the picture as you prefer it (in contrast to saying that downloaders have all the possibilities to edit the image). Crop the photo to get the composition you feel is best. Ideally, you'll do that before shooting (in your photo, composition and focus are not convincing).
2. Photos should be easy to read. Concentrate on your motive and leave out anything else (in your photo, the background [branches] distracts the eye from the motive, thus, is uneasy). Do not forget that a good motive is mood/emotion (e.g., nice light).
3. You do not want to exaggerate use of photoshop filters. Editing is okay but can not replace composition or mood. I think there is room for improvement in yours
4. Try to give it a personal touch. Don't let a photo look like this of anybody. Look for special perspectives etc. Be original! At least, try so.
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I got the following from Dudebun:
I wrote this elsewhere, but I think it applies:
"I'm willing to say that the acceptance criteria at Photocase are no different from any other stock catalogue, (composition; style; theme; motif; exposure; minimum resolution; saleability; free from excessive noise, editing and/or artifacting; etc ) we just weigh them differently here. Muffinmaker stated earlier that phone photos generally sell well. Some other sites may say "phone photos sell, accept more phone photos," and may even make it known to their users that they should upload more phone photos. At Photocase we wouldn't do something like that, but rather would continue to accept phone photos that are, in the eyes of our reveiwers, remarkable. This is what users from a microstock background have to understand about Photocase: we're not in a race to have the most, we're only concerned with accepting good-quality, unique, stylish photos. That's our vision. "
To me, that makes it sound as though selling images is not a priority????
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People complain about too many similar sites, isn't it nice to have one that is doing something different? There are lots of sites that accept all our microstock images and hardly sell anything. From what people are reporting, photocase do have sales. Perhaps they are right and some of the other copycat sites are wrong?
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People complain about too many similar sites, isn't it nice to have one that is doing something different? There are lots of sites that accept all our microstock images and hardly sell anything. From what people are reporting, photocase do have sales. Perhaps they are right and some of the other copycat sites are wrong?
i agree. i'm really liking photocase for it's not only allowing me to experiment with my photography but also rewarding it with higher financial returns. i only have 7 photos there since a month ago but the rpi is over a dollar and the rpd is 2.7. i'm also having a lot of fun in the process. at least i don't have to think or ask, 'what will this sell or promote' as i click the camera shutter.
by the way, i think Dudebun favorited one of your photos. teacher's pet. ;)
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Sorry, that was not intended to be a negative post. Just expressing my confusion. Yes it is fun but so was Flickr in the beginning. I'm just trying to understand the Photocase concept.
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I just checked my photocase account and my vast portfolio (5 images) and it turns out I got a sale last week for 2.16 euro on one of my images. It's a start.
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hey, i wonder if you guys ever noticed, but there are some really cool statistics tool on photocase. it's a link to the right of your photos called statistics. if you click on it, it's like a whole new world of info, in terms of all the key words used to search for your photo, whether it resulted in a sale or not, and a map of all the countries these visitors came from. wow, we've finally emerged from the middle ages...
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Photocase is becoming one of my favorite sites. I enjoy browsing the photos and find the site inspiring and well run. Now all I need to do is learn German (been using a translator to read comments and forum)
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Hi guys, I'm here if you have any questions to ask. And please call me Peter (or you can stick with Dudebun if you prefer :) ).
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This is beginning to remind me of a "cult" following, Peter. Photocase is definitely different. My submissions are getting more and more "different." 8)
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Different is good!
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Thanks Peter. If you have any more tips for us newbies, feel free to share.
I love your site and gallery of wonderful photos. :)
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I just got my first extended license "Merchandising License", 60.36 euros (That's about $80)
I just love the site (even if they reject 90% of my images!) It's very different from the other sites. And the earnings are good.
My only wish would to include a multi-image upload. I can see why they don't have a bulk upload system to keep people from dumping their whole portfolios, but they could have a web form that accepts - let's say - five or ten images at one time.
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congratulations! photocase is my #3 site even though my port there is about 10% of what i have elsewhere and the photos are quite a bit different. i'm going to keep my ears open for their el. now, you'll have to show the lucky photo. ;)
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now, you'll have to show the lucky photo. ;)
Nah, I'll keep my identity a secret here...
But I can tell you it's a pretty picture of a flower, nothing special, but it looks good and feels like summer... :)
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Congrats on the sale. You made me go look. Nada! I'm stuck at 4.80euro.
Haven't had an image accepted since before Christmas. I'm in a state of serious rejection dejection. :'(
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know the feeling...seems like they tightened up photo selection even more! so, i'm not gonna tell anymore people how great they are and invite all this competition...
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I just glanced at this site, and it looks like an art school project. But apparently some people are buying some of these images? I definitely don't get it, which means I should probably jump right in and start seeing my best images rejected like everyone else, and learn something from the experience. Like, mainly, that I'm too old for this scene. :)
In a way it reminded me of 1x.com, there's a similar desperately-artsy quality to many of the images, a feeling that they're in magazines I'm not nearly cool enough to appreciate.
This sounds like a fun game.
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actually, i found one of my images used on a highly commercial, not so cool, sunglass online sales site. it was one of those free credit downloads by one of the members. the cool thing about photocase is that you know exactly who downloaded your photo.
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Cool, yes but I think "free credit download" translates as "you get nothing", right?
So it's a community of designers who also do photos, and trade them with each other at no cost to use in assignments. Something like that?
I'm not really making fun of it - I'm sure to the right people it's a valuable concept...
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the reason we like pc is that when there are real sales, they're good. the rpi and rpd are great. but i'm really not encouraging you to join...
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perry, we've got plans for a multi-image upload, but don't count on it for a little while yet, we've got some other updates already in motion
ap, glad you're enjoying it too,
stockastic, yes, lots of people buy our photos every day; yes, we do have a sharing aspect; yes, it is valuable; no, I'm not trying to convince you to join either.
if any of you have anything you want to ask or suggest or or or or, you can PM me here at microstockgroup or at PC (http://www.photocase.com/en/user.asp?u=66906 (http://www.photocase.com/en/user.asp?u=66906)) but no questions about photo selection please ;)
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Anybody having sales here? I have 12 :) pictures accepted, but 0.00e...
A little dissapointed. Some months with them. Someone was saying that the ports are small here but you get 1dollar a month for a photo that was accepted...