Author Topic: Why you dont load up to normal agencies.. no microstock (Read 18762 times)

XeniaII · « **on:** February 06, 2007, 20:21 »

I love this forum realy but i ever ask me... why you dont load up to normal agencies ... there you get 18-60 euros per download... perhaps there are only in germany .. i dont now... but ask me.. i will help you with the keywords... exampel: panthermedia.de or digitalstock.de or adpic.de you can earn their monthly about 150 euros i do

madelaide · « **Reply #1 on:** February 06, 2007, 21:32 »

Xenia,

There has been some comments on other sites. I am in some macrostock, with a different portfolio of micro, although with some overlapping.

What sites do you suggest us?

Regards,
Adelaide

t_rust · « **Reply #2 on:** February 06, 2007, 22:07 »

xenia,

is it worth it? How many photos do you have online in one agency? And how many do you sell on average per month? Or what EUR per image per year would you expect?

What I read so far the $ per photo per year is better in microstock. Also for most non-micro you need to up-size images and burn them on DVD and send them to the agency by mail. More work. Some agencies require exclusivity?!

epixx · « **Reply #3 on:** February 07, 2007, 00:20 »

I do both, and most of the time, I follow a few principles:

- I never upload the same images to both kind of agencies
- Unique photos, either because of quality or because they are difficult to find, mostly goes to macro-agencies, preferably as RM.
- "Isolated on white" goes almost exclusively to micro-stock.
- Editorial goes mostly to macro-agencies

Most of the macro agencies are more liberal with regards to technical quality than SS etc., but if the photo doesn't have unique qualities, it will sell slowly or not at all. Unique photos, with maybe a very small potential as micro, may well sell for big amounts as macro. Maybe only one or two times, but sometimes, that's enough.

In general though, except for a very few top photographers, most people have a higher earning per photo per year at the micros.

Bateleur · « **Reply #4 on:** February 07, 2007, 01:28 »

An interesting question. Thanks for bringing it up.

It's something to think about.

There's also Alamy in the UK. What about agencies elsewhere in Europe ... in France? Italy? Spain? ... anyone know of any?

Freezingpictures · « **Reply #5 on:** February 07, 2007, 03:59 »

Quote from: XeniaII on February 06, 2007, 20:21

I love this forum realy but i ever ask me... why you dont load up to normal agencies ... there you get 18-60 euros per download... perhaps there are only in germany .. i dont now... but ask me.. i will help you with the keywords... exampel: panthermedia.de or digitalstock.de or adpic.de you can earn their monthly about 150 euros i do

Hi Xenia, I am on Panthermedia.de, ist this the best German Stockphoto site or is Digitalstock or adpic.de better?

Panthermedia for me is from the income in average now like Stockxpert I would say, but you never know how many sales. Sometimes none for two month, than a 45 Euro dl then none again. In January I had 5 sales in a row, which was exciting, but then the dls stopped again. Panthermedia might work to make there site more international, hopefully they will have an their site in English soon...

XeniaII · « **Reply #6 on:** February 07, 2007, 19:26 »

in Germany we have have very good agencies where your pictures are now presend... sorry my english is not good.. i always be angry when istock or shutterstock dont wont my images.. because they sell them for 25 uscent.. that in euros only 17 cent i think.. i stop uploading there.. shutterstock i realy like.. fotolia also!

My problem is.. i load to german agencies like:

http://www.panthermedia.net/?aff=2047

adpic, digitalstock, mm-images and a lot more.. and i have nothing against stockagencies.. but i realy like the way they treat me! Fotolia dont do it... there i earn monthly 200 euros.. but at dreamtimes, shutter and istock i habe problems with model-release. My contracts are in germany and in germany you dont need widnesses... i cant put on my model 20 different releases bevor we shot!

I would realy want that you go to

panther, digitalstock, shotshop, and other german angencies.. perhaps there sole only 2 images a month for you.. but it brings also 50 euro and sorry thats better than sell 100 images for nossing...

thats my personal mind

Kiya · « **Reply #7 on:** February 07, 2007, 19:49 »

Wish I could read & write in German!

XeniaII · « **Reply #8 on:** February 07, 2007, 19:56 »

no problem give me the keywords... i give you there in german

Freezingpictures · « **Reply #9 on:** February 08, 2007, 02:45 »

Quote from: XeniaII on February 07, 2007, 19:26

in Germany we have have very good agencies where your pictures are now presend... sorry my english is not good.. i always be angry when istock or shutterstock dont wont my images.. because they sell them for 25 uscent.. that in euros only 17 cent i think.. i stop uploading there.. shutterstock i realy like.. fotolia also!

My problem is.. i load to german agencies like:

http://www.panthermedia.net/?aff=2047

adpic, digitalstock, mm-images and a lot more.. and i have nothing against stockagencies.. but i realy like the way they treat me! Fotolia dont do it... there i earn monthly 200 euros.. but at dreamtimes, shutter and istock i habe problems with model-release. My contracts are in germany and in germany you dont need widnesses... i cant put on my model 20 different releases bevor we shot!

I would realy want that you go to

panther, digitalstock, shotshop, and other german angencies.. perhaps there sole only 2 images a month for you.. but it brings also 50 euro and sorry thats better than sell 100 images for nossing...

thats my personal mind

@ Xenia,

Welche von denen bringen am meisten Einkommen? Sind da irgendwelche, die besser laufen als Panthermedia? Ich bin bei PM, aber ich kenne die anderen nicht.

Which one of those bring in the most earnings? Are there any which are better than Panthermedia? I do do not know any other German agencies than PM.

XeniaII · « **Reply #10 on:** February 08, 2007, 18:45 »

@Freezingpictures

http://www.panthermedia.net/?aff=2047
Panthermedia ist so schlecht gar nicht, letzten Monat gab es immerhin 70 Euro :-) Ein Bild für: 25 Euro zwei für 20! Da tut mir das wenige Downloaden nicht weh!

Ansonsten arbeite ich mit:

http://www.adpic.de
Dort muss man sich allerdings erst mit einem Portfolio vorstellen und bekommt dann einen Zugang! Umsatz monatlich um die 100 Euro, hab aber auch nur jetzt 500 Bilder online!

http://www.digitalstock.de/
Auszahlung ab 50 Euro per Überweisung, schaffe ich auch monatlich. Allerdings habe ich dort 1500 Bilder online! Aber ein Bild für 5 Euro zu verkaufen anstatt für 20 cent macht einfach mehr spass!

http://photographer.shotshop.com/
Sie verkaufen nicht viel, aber immerhin gibt es pro Bild 15 Euro und im Quartal sind auch 120 Euro möglich bei 96 Bilder online!

http://www.bildunion.de/
Gewöhnungsbedürfte Benutzerführung, Verkäufe aber ok! Pro Bild gibt es 4,27 Euro!

http://www.pitopia.de
Sehr coole noch recht neue Agentur. Pro Bildverkauf gibt es immerhin 16,20 Euros. Ich habe innerhalb von 2 Monaten zwar nur 3 Bilder verkauft, aber sie kommen!

http://www.best-shots.de/
Die gibt es auch  keine Ahnung ob die verkaufen, hab mich aber angemeldet!

http://bilddatenbank24.de/
Jetzt billiges Layout und gewöhnungsbedürftig aber sie verkaufen. Pro Bild 39 Euro, die Hälfte kriegt der Fotograf!

http://fotografen.sodapix.com/
Eine Agentur für eher untypische nicht glamourmässige Motive. Umständliche Benutzerführung, aber ok

http://www.mm-images.de
Ein zwei-mann unternehmen, Bilder werden nur per CD hingeschickt, ähnlich wie Bilderbox in der Schweiz!

Now i will do my best in english ... pooh

@Freezingpictures

http://www.panthermedia.net/?aff=2047
Panthermedia is realy don’t bad. Last month i sold 3 images, but I get 75 Euro for that. For me it is better to sell 3 than 300 for the same price.

Otherwise i work with the following agencies:

http://www.adpic.de
Here you must send a link to your portfolio. If the like your work you get the facts to log-in. Here I earn 100 Euro monthly but I have only 500 picts online. You sell your pics from 3-9 Euros!

http://www.digitalstock.de/
You get Payment when you reach 50 Euro, only banktransfer i think. I get monthly about 100 Euros but there I have 1500 pictures online. In worstcase you get 4,66 per download.

http://photographer.shotshop.com/
They dont sell much pictures, but when you get 15 Euro per Download. I have 96 pics online and get 120 euros every 3 month.

http://www.bildunion.de/
You get 4,27 per sold picture. I only sell 3 a month but i have not much online there!

http://www.pitopia.de
A very cool new agencie. You get 16,20 Euro per download. Last 2 Month i sold 3 Pictures! Thats ok for me!

http://www.best-shots.de/
I realy dont now if the sell pictures, i only want you to now the name 

http://bilddatenbank24.de/
a very poor layout – yes... no comfort, but they sell. For every picture 39 Euro, the photographer gets 50%. I sold last month 2 Pictures!

http://fotografen.sodapix.com/
A agencie which dont wont typical model-style fotos! If you have fotos of children which cry or terrible houswifes, than sodapix is good for you

http://www.mm-images.de
you can send your pictures per post on a cd, than you get the contract. They handle like bilderbox, but you get 50% of all earnings

Hope this will help you

Best regards yvonne

madelaide · « **Reply #11 on:** February 08, 2007, 21:57 »

Thank you for the lengthy post, Xenia. I'm sure it will be useful for many of us. Vielen Danke!

Regards,
Adelaide

Bateleur · « **Reply #12 on:** February 09, 2007, 01:48 »

Merci bien Xenia! Chapeau!

Sorry ... I don't speak German. Will French do?

There's some really useful information in your post, it's a great source for broadening our horizons. Thanks again.

(Side note ... this forum is the greatest. Open discussion and helpful members. Thanks to all, and especially Tyler.)

Freezingpictures · « **Reply #13 on:** February 09, 2007, 02:17 »

Thankyou Xenia, that indeed was very informative. If I have time, I think I will look into some of those agencies..

nightowlza · « **Reply #14 on:** February 09, 2007, 03:57 »

Anyway you can have those sites automatically translated from german to english in IE7?
I can sort of follow some of it (Because I'm Afrikaans), but not exactly 100%

Freezingpictures · « **Reply #15 on:** February 09, 2007, 05:43 »

What about this

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.panthermedia.net%2F%3Faff%3D2047&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF8

(Includes the referral link of Xenia)

Panthermedia in English, didn't know that was that easy

Here is the google link to translate websites:

http://translate.google.com/translate_t

You probably can do this via the the googletoolbar, I have the German version, so it all translates from other languages to German. So probably the English version translates from other languages in English.

So if you would use Xenia's or mine Referral link for Panthermedia, that would be nice

If you register I would recommend you to register as "Salesman" or "FC-Standard" thats for free.

For Keywords as I mentioned somewhere else, you can get them translated on SS or IS, there is an option to switch to another language.

If you have any further questions..

Happy uploading

leaf · « **Reply #16 on:** February 09, 2007, 08:28 »

yeah i thought of signing up but keywording would be a night mare and way too time consuming unless i could submit them in english?!

Inger Anne Hulbækdal · « **Reply #17 on:** February 09, 2007, 09:02 »

Thanks for the information, Xenia.
Are all those sites royalty free, so that you are free to submit them to microstock sites too?

Inger

XeniaII · « **Reply #18 on:** February 09, 2007, 18:50 »

yes all royalty free i can put my pictures everywhere

t_rust · « **Reply #19 on:** February 10, 2007, 03:06 »

Hi Xenia,

vielen Dank fuer die Informationen. Werde mir die Agenturenmal ansehen. Alle Keywords zu uebersetzen macht wuerde aber ordentlich Arbeit machen. Werde wohl eine Auswahl treffen muessen

Great Info.
Thanks,
Thorsten

Bateleur · « **Reply #20 on:** February 10, 2007, 13:39 »

Quote from: XeniaII on February 09, 2007, 18:50

yes all royalty free i can put my pictures everywhere

Yes, legally you can do it. But do you need to be a bit careful?

Some of the sites you mention sell RF for $50, $100 or more, depending on size and usage.

It may not do your reputation a lot of good if a buyer takes one of your RF images for $50, and then finds they could have got exactly the same image from a microstock at $5.

It may also drive customers away from the higher-priced sites (which are also better-paying for us photographers).

madelaide · « **Reply #21 on:** February 10, 2007, 15:09 »

Quote from: Bateleur on February 10, 2007, 13:39

It may not do your reputation a lot of good if a buyer takes one of your RF images for $50, and then finds they could have got exactly the same image from a microstock at $5.

*IF* license terms are the same. In SP and KI, for instance, the license agreement allows the use in items for resale, so it's more like an EL in microstock.

Regards,
Adelaide

Bateleur · « **Reply #22 on:** February 10, 2007, 17:08 »

Quote from: madelaide on February 10, 2007, 15:09

... In SP and KI, for instance ...

Sorry for being dense, but I don't quite follow ... what are SP and KI?

XeniaII · « **Reply #23 on:** February 10, 2007, 17:31 »

Thats right Bateleur --- some agencies like mm-stock only take images of me which i dont have by the microstocks.. but that is ok.. they cant want 60 euros per download when i sell them elsewhere for 20 cent!

I realy understand that and when i dont must live at my photographies i never would sell at microstock! Because I realy know which work you need to make a good photo and it is not unfair to want to be paid for it:-)

My way... in the moment i testet a lot of agencies .. but i thing when macrostock will be better to plan for me i dont will upload to microstock anymore.. my heard always cry when i sold a pic for 25 uscent.. in euro only 17 cent!

madelaide · « **Reply #24 on:** February 10, 2007, 19:40 »

Quote from: Bateleur on February 10, 2007, 17:08

Sorry for being dense, but I don't quite follow ... what are SP and KI?

ShutterPoint and KeenImages, respectively.

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