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For a truth democracy, all the people in the eurozone should now vote in a referendum if they agree with the future new decisions, whatever they are.
Basically:- they didn't repay the 1.6 millions they should have in the June 30th to the IMF,- they didn't do nothing considerable since they were elected to combat corruption and tax evasion, to increase income taxes and lower the public expenses,- their country is in recession since they were elected,- they want more debt restructuring,- they want more money (!!!)- they don't want to increment changes in their country (like everything is ok, right!)looking good
All these leftist economist believe that if you throw money into a unsustainable economy, it will magically get better. No, it will not! Not without structural reforms.To keep it simple, if you don't sell your photos on Shutterstock, borrowing money to buy more fancy cameras and lenses, will most probably not improve your sales. You better get your s**t together and improve your photography skills first!
Quote from: Semmick Photo on July 05, 2015, 10:48Why do the few people here defending the Greeks constantly attack the person who doesn't agree with them, instead of the comment. I've seen Cobalt talk more sense than anyone else in the last 3 pages.Speak for yourself and dont try to encapsulate (conveniently) who talks more sense here, and who gets attacked by whom and for what reason.You are the one in this thread that steps in and tries to moderate the conversation when you feel that is steering away from the general consensus.I know that you like cobalt's views but thats your business and if cobalt or anyone else posting here makes sense or not that here is for us(EDIT:for "ME to judge" is more appropriate) to judge,this conversation is not a live political debate.Quote from: Semmick Photo on June 28, 2015, 13:49You never go off topic dragging P5 into every conversation, right? You never have a squabble with anyone, right? Anyway, carry on, the playground is yours.Quote from: Semmick Photo on June 29, 2015, 11:57This thread is about Greece. If you want to talk about Portugal, its best to open a new thread. Please.t
Why do the few people here defending the Greeks constantly attack the person who doesn't agree with them, instead of the comment. I've seen Cobalt talk more sense than anyone else in the last 3 pages.
You never go off topic dragging P5 into every conversation, right? You never have a squabble with anyone, right? Anyway, carry on, the playground is yours.
This thread is about Greece. If you want to talk about Portugal, its best to open a new thread. Please.
Quote from: gcrook on July 05, 2015, 11:02Quote from: Semmick Photo on July 05, 2015, 10:48Why do the few people here defending the Greeks constantly attack the person who doesn't agree with them, instead of the comment. I've seen Cobalt talk more sense than anyone else in the last 3 pages.Speak for yourself and dont try to encapsulate (conveniently) who talks more sense here, and who gets attacked by whom and for what reason.You are the one in this thread that steps in and tries to moderate the conversation when you feel that is steering away from the general consensus.I know that you like cobalt's views but thats your business and if cobalt or anyone else posting here makes sense or not that here is for us(EDIT:for "ME to judge" is more appropriate) to judge,this conversation is not a live political debate.Quote from: Semmick Photo on June 28, 2015, 13:49You never go off topic dragging P5 into every conversation, right? You never have a squabble with anyone, right? Anyway, carry on, the playground is yours.Quote from: Semmick Photo on June 29, 2015, 11:57This thread is about Greece. If you want to talk about Portugal, its best to open a new thread. Please.t thank you for proving my point. And Are you now showing a quote from me trying to keep the thread on topic and twisting that into something it's not? My my
@cobalt... politically naive - to be precise - ..fritz already explained it - endless loans are sophisticated way of occupation...
Varoufakis is a bellend. He's called the measures of the eurogroup terrorism. At the same time he expects them to give him more money. He's a bellend.
I mean, they elected him and Tsirpas. If things get worse, who will be next?
Please explain why they have asked for all those loans and still want more then. At some point when you keep borrowing money, you have to take responsibility for your own debt. They could of got out of the mess they created but now they have the option to print their own currency and that looks like all they have left now.
Quote from: cobalt on July 05, 2015, 08:32I mean, they elected him and Tsirpas. If things get worse, who will be next?the only option would be a military Junta or a neo-fascist government led by the far right (Golden Dawn).but don't worry, Syriza now is very popular, Putin is keeping a low profile but you can bet they already promised greece any kind of monetary aid in case of serious troubles so they know their ass is covered no matter the outcome of this farce.
Meanwhile, in Switzerland, Norway, Iceland,...economies are healthy and doing well...
I just hope my money is not going there. There are so many places in Europe and the world where it can do more good. They even called the loans from my tax money "terrorism".
Quote from: Tror on July 05, 2015, 13:26Meanwhile, in Switzerland, Norway, Iceland,...economies are healthy and doing well...Greece the next Switzerland...of course, of course, we will all go and trust our money to Greek banks...just like the greek population.
Now lets see how will EU be accepting democracy It goes to show that all of theirs independent research about the referendum were faked as always and Mr Schultz open threatening to the whole nation before referendum luckily didn't work Now I just hope other nations will follow the trend
Cobalt, most of your comments about the people of Greece have been so unpleasant and even offensive. That's sad.
QuoteAll these leftist economist believe that if you throw money into a unsustainable economy, it will magically get better. No, it will not! Not without structural reforms.To keep it simple, if you don't sell your photos on Shutterstock, borrowing money to buy more fancy cameras and lenses, will most probably not improve your sales. You better get your s**t together and improve your photography skills first!Part 1.Throwing money in an "unsustainable hole" (because of the public debt, the newly discovered boogeyman of the post 1998 economy) is exactly what the eurozone forces the Greek government to do and we are forced to under the monetary policy.You are totally confused here.You havent understood anything about the Eurozone's monetary policy yet you embark on this conversation with convenient half truths at best and expect people to continue this conversation seriously.Have you seen charts of Germany's public debt (its HUGE) and have you understood why or how this is conveniently hidden "in a closet" and makes Germany act like they can dictate the monetary policy to others and not themselves?because if they do hang tight.Ill help you understand this by giving hints.What upsets Merkel if Greece leaves the Eurozone and why?If Spain were to leave what would happen?If italy had capitals controls who would interest from that and who wouldn't?Part 2. To keep it simple?You make the hillarious fallacy that everyone who has no knowledge of politics and economy makes.You confuse a nation's economics with an individuals economics.Hints to embark further.Countries do NOT default.Individuals and corporations do.Banks do or did until 2008.Why is that?So structural reforms are politics and public debt and borrowing is economics right?Wrong.Both are politics.When i said in another thread that these moronic neoliberals in Brussels dream of a neo-feudal Europe i wasnt joking.
Now EUSSR will punish Greece and make an example for Spain, Portugal, Italy, Ireland.Congratulations to the greeks who gave the middle finger to the troika.
This whole EU non-sense did enough damage, not only to Greece. Greece: 60% unemployment amongst the youth, Spain: 50%, Portugal 33%, in Germany you see people looking for food in the Trash - not just the typical homeless, but old people, retired ones in good clothes,
Cobalt, most of your comments about the people of Greece have been so unpleasant and even offensive. That's sad. Why do you keep thinking you are the IMF or European Central Bank? You are just a regular German citizen.
Quote from: ferdinand on July 05, 2015, 09:14 @cobalt... politically naive - to be precise - ..fritz already explained it - endless loans are sophisticated way of occupation...Please explain why they have asked for all those loans and still want more then. At some point when you keep borrowing money, you have to take responsibility for your own debt. They could of got out of the mess they created but now they have the option to print their own currency and that looks like all they have left now.
