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« on: March 30, 2010, 20:46 »
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Ok, we survived doomsday. No blackhole was created.

Now, a theological and philosophical question: if we were sucked by a blackhole, would our souls escape its gravity?


« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2010, 22:12 »
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Now, a theological and philosophical question: if we were sucked by a blackhole, would our souls escape its gravity?
Souls are immaterial so they escape the material laws of physics.

« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2010, 22:52 »
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Souls are immaterial so they escape the material laws of physics.

Well, if they exist they have to be of something. If they exist but aren't made of anything, then they are ideas. If that's what you're saying souls are then I agree, they wouldn't be affected by a black hole.
« Last Edit: March 30, 2010, 22:54 by sharply_done »

« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2010, 23:32 »
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Actually, nothing would happen to us if we are drawn into a black hole. Yes, we would evaporate and be annihilated for those who watch the whole process, but from our point of view we would be still alive...at least that's what theory says. It's possible to be dead and alive at the same moment....also, the information about you remains untouched. So, even if you disappear into a black hole the information about you remains, and someone powerful enough could recreate you... So, the answer is probably "Your soul will survive" :)

« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2010, 03:22 »
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Actually, nothing would happen to us if we are drawn into a black hole. Yes, we would evaporate and be annihilated for those who watch the whole process
You will be ripped apart mechanically by the tidal forces as you approach the center of gravity. You will not evaporate since black holes are focuses of gravity, not of heat. But as you approach the speed of light, the time around you will extend compared to a relative stationary observer, so it will seem forever.
Nobody outside the horizon of the black hole can "watch" the process as light can't escape. You should read more of Asimov.  ;)
It's possible to be dead and alive at the same moment....also, the information about you remains untouched. So, even if you disappear into a black hole the information about you remains
The information about you is stored in your myriads of synapses and their synaptic strength weights. As your brain gets ripped apart at first by the tidal forces, then concentrated in one point, the information that is "you" will be annihilated. There is still no way to make eggs again from the omelet. Your hard disk has gone through a shredder and that's it.  :'(

The only way "you" can be preserved is through a future technological process that can store the morphology of all your synapses (10 billion cells x an average of 1,000 synapses per cell = 10^^13) and their respective weights and cellular properties. "You" can be restored then in a bionic brain with exactly the same morphology of cells and synapses with the reloaded strength weights.

I think you'll need a Mac for that.  :P
« Last Edit: March 31, 2010, 03:33 by FD-amateur »

« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2010, 05:14 »
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You will be ripped apart mechanically by the tidal forces as you approach the center of gravity. You will not evaporate since black holes are focuses of gravity, not of heat.


Exactly: the tidal forces are so strong than nothing would actually survive to this interesting journey.

This is however what would happen for a stellar black hole. In the LHC, some were predicting the creation of micro black holes which are a completely different beast: this is a particule sized black hole.

Micro black holes should not cause that much harm because they evaporate extremely quickly (Stephen Hawking's theory) into a burst of energy (not that much energy).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micro_black_hole#Can_we_produce_micro_black_holes.3F

BTW, I'm living 50km away from the LHC: I would be the first microstocker killed by the black hole. Hopefully my portfolio should survive  ;D

But as you approach the speed of light, the time around you will extend compared to a relative stationary observer, so it will seem forever.
Nobody outside the horizon of the black hole can "watch" the process as light can't escape. You should read more of Asimov.  ;)


Asimov is a good teacher indeed :)
« Last Edit: March 31, 2010, 05:26 by araminta »

« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2010, 06:28 »
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BTW, I'm living 50km away from the LHC: I would be the first microstocker killed by the black hole. Hopefully my portfolio should survive  ;D
You can also upload to MostPhotos. It's better than a blackhole for your port.  ;)

« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2010, 03:23 »
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Actually, nothing would happen to us if we are drawn into a black hole. Yes, we would evaporate and be annihilated for those who watch the whole process
You will be ripped apart mechanically by the tidal forces as you approach the center of gravity. You will not evaporate since black holes are focuses of gravity, not of heat. But as you approach the speed of light, the time around you will extend compared to a relative stationary observer, so it will seem forever.
Nobody outside the horizon of the black hole can "watch" the process as light can't escape. You should read more of Asimov.  ;)
It's possible to be dead and alive at the same moment....also, the information about you remains untouched. So, even if you disappear into a black hole the information about you remains
The information about you is stored in your myriads of synapses and their synaptic strength weights. As your brain gets ripped apart at first by the tidal forces, then concentrated in one point, the information that is "you" will be annihilated. There is still no way to make eggs again from the omelet. Your hard disk has gone through a shredder and that's it.  :'(

The only way "you" can be preserved is through a future technological process that can store the morphology of all your synapses (10 billion cells x an average of 1,000 synapses per cell = 10^^13) and their respective weights and cellular properties. "You" can be restored then in a bionic brain with exactly the same morphology of cells and synapses with the reloaded strength weights.

I think you'll need a Mac for that.  :P

Actually, it's much more info than just synapses :) Also, you disappear for the rest of the world...but for you... hmm.. no one really knows. Some say that's just extremely bended space, and if you are in it, you are bended too. :D Many of us already are tho

« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2010, 04:01 »
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This is interesting. Did you know theres a blackhole in the centre of every galaxy out there, including our own :-[

Thats why theyre spinning... seriously !


 

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