Author Topic: New Canon (Read 29357 times)

tab62 · « **on:** March 27, 2013, 16:30 »

Check this out!

http://www.canonrumors.com/2013/03/big-megapixel-development-announcement-in-the-fall-cr2/

gostwyck · « **Reply #1 on:** March 27, 2013, 16:40 »

I wouldn't get too excited yet. Similar rumours have been popping up regularly in the 5.5 years since the 1Ds3 came out. All of Canon's development ever since has been on smaller sensors, better video and high ISO performance.

BaldricksTrousers · « **Reply #2 on:** March 27, 2013, 17:30 »

Could be a great opportunity to sell 40MP images for 25c subs!

tab62 · « **Reply #3 on:** March 27, 2013, 18:25 »

come on 27C subs for the extra MP's...

Ed · « **Reply #4 on:** March 27, 2013, 19:35 »

I recently acquired a medium format digital camera. The opinion I will offer up is the big megapixels are not worth it unless the sensor is bigger than a standard full frame (medium format).

Medium format offers something very different and detail that is absolutely amazing. The other difference aside from detail is that lens refraction is less obvious at smaller apertures. Dynamic Range is also greater which is amazing.

tab62 · « **Reply #5 on:** March 27, 2013, 19:41 »

Can I ask how much the Med format camera cost? I heard the new canon will be around $5,700 (Body only).

shotupdave · « **Reply #6 on:** March 27, 2013, 19:54 »

Quote from: tab62 on March 27, 2013, 19:41

Can I ask how much the Med format camera cost? I heard the new canon will be around $5,700 (Body only).

A mamiya 645 digital runs over 13k with one lens. Hasseblad many times that.

Ed · « **Reply #7 on:** March 27, 2013, 20:03 »

I purchased an "open box" Pentax 645D with a DFA 645 55mm f/2.8 lens for $5,500 (the only reason I was able to get it). Adorama and B&H are currently selling the kit for $8,800.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/739072-REG/Pentax_17971_645D_Digital_SLR_Camera.html

Two months ago the body was going for $9,900 and the lens was going for $1,200. I suspect Pentax is coming out with an upgrade. The old Pentax 645 auto focus film lenses work well with the camera. I purchased 150mm f/2.8 from KEH.com in excellent+ condition for $795. The crop factor is .78 so the 150mm is 117mm equivalent and the 55mm is 43mm. I've been looking at this for a long time.

I had been looking at digital backs and I've seen bodies with digital backs used for as low as $8,000 here

http://captureintegration.com/products/demo-digital-backs/

gostwyck · « **Reply #8 on:** March 27, 2013, 20:08 »

Quote from: Ed on March 27, 2013, 19:35

I recently acquired a medium format digital camera. The opinion I will offer up is the big megapixels are not worth it unless the sensor is bigger than a standard full frame (medium format).

Medium format offers something very different and detail that is absolutely amazing. The other difference aside from detail is that lens refraction is less obvious at smaller apertures. Dynamic Range is also greater which is amazing.

Interesting. I was thinking that there has to be a limit as to what can be achieved within the confines of a 35mm format sensor (because that's the focal point of DSLR lenses). The lenses themselves become the next limitation.

Although I don't doubt the benefits of the Medium format, when examined forensically, I'm not sure that there's any value to the microstock photographer, relative to the cost of the gear. Let's face it, there's not much wrong with an image from a 5D II and it's equivalent, for 99.9% of stock buyer's requirements.

Ed · « **Reply #9 on:** March 27, 2013, 20:27 »

Quote from: gostwyck on March 27, 2013, 20:08

Quote from: Ed on March 27, 2013, 19:35
I recently acquired a medium format digital camera. The opinion I will offer up is the big megapixels are not worth it unless the sensor is bigger than a standard full frame (medium format).

Medium format offers something very different and detail that is absolutely amazing. The other difference aside from detail is that lens refraction is less obvious at smaller apertures. Dynamic Range is also greater which is amazing.

Interesting. I was thinking that there has to be a limit as to what can be achieved within the confines of a 35mm format sensor (because that's the focal point of DSLR lenses). The lenses themselves become the next limitation.

Although I don't doubt the benefits of the Medium format, when examined forensically, I'm not sure that there's any value to the microstock photographer, relative to the cost of the gear. Let's face it, there's not much wrong with an image from a 5D II and it's equivalent, for 99.9% of stock buyer's requirements.

I agree completely - but there are microstock photographers that spent about the same amount of money for a 1Ds MK II when they first came out....all the way up to microstock photographers who purchased (and are purchasing) Canon 1Dx bodies. I have two 5D MK III bodies as well and I'll be the first to say it wasn't worth the upgrade from the 5D MK II - I did it because I do a lot of editorial work and wanted faster focus...and I feel the image quality on the 5D II is superior (and am patiently waiting for the firmware update due out in April).

The reason I bought the Pentax is because I am going to be doing more landscapes this year associated with travel. I will be on the road quite a bit this year and as mentioned, lens refraction is an issue with me and how I shoot. I'm also finding it fun to use in studio - depth of field is shallow even when shooting at f/8 and that 150mm lens is perfect for portraits.

RacePhoto · « **Reply #10 on:** March 29, 2013, 12:12 »

Quote from: BaldricksTrousers on March 27, 2013, 17:30

Could be a great opportunity to sell 40MP images for 25c subs!

Yeah, must have, must have. And even the lowly bottom feeders like myself make 33 cents and up. Get with the times BT!

That and yes, the six year old rumor has still got strong legs. If they actually announce this 40-50MP camera, it's going to be another year or two before we see one. Price? Easily over $5,700 body only? The 1D-XL

The dream lens 200-400 with built in Extender. I laughed at the $7000 prediction. Joke is on me, still no lens, but price seems to be going over $10,000 before it's even in the stores. Body might be over $7,000 or more.

The SL-1 is more exciting for me, "World's Smallest And Lightest DSLR Camera" 18MP APS-C, Full HD 1080 Video with Continuous AF = $649 add a Canon EF 40mm f/2.8 STM Pancake Lens $149 and I have that super compact camera (have large pockets?) but DLSR. 4 fps (usual claim "up to") Basically a T#i electronics in a smaller package. 4.61 x 3.58 x 2.72″ around one pound with lens. My super travel camera.

http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/about_canon/newsroom/press_releases?pageKeyCode=pressreldetail&docId=0901e02480844488

Edited: changed four years to six, could be 5.5, but lets all agree, a really, really long time.

Using ThinkStock as the standard, how many 27 cent downloads does it take to cover the cost of a $7000 camera body? Why only about 26,000!

enstoker · « **Reply #11 on:** March 29, 2013, 14:12 »

Quote from: BaldricksTrousers on March 27, 2013, 17:30

Could be a great opportunity to sell 40MP images for 25c subs!

Bravo, Baldrick

leaf · « **Reply #12 on:** March 29, 2013, 15:00 »

Quote from: shotupdave on March 27, 2013, 19:54

Quote from: tab62 on March 27, 2013, 19:41
Can I ask how much the Med format camera cost? I heard the new canon will be around $5,700 (Body only).

A mamiya 645 digital runs over 13k with one lens. Hasseblad many times that.

You can get a Hasselblad for 12K or 13K
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/868676-REG/Hasselblad_70480520_H4D_31_Medium_Format_DSLR.html

lisafx · « **Reply #13 on:** March 29, 2013, 15:57 »

Quote from: gostwyck on March 27, 2013, 20:08

Although I don't doubt the benefits of the Medium format, when examined forensically, I'm not sure that there's any value to the microstock photographer, relative to the cost of the gear. Let's face it, there's not much wrong with an image from a 5D II and it's equivalent, for 99.9% of stock buyer's requirements.

Agree 100%. The megapixel race is pretty much a non-issue at this point. 20+ mp is more than enough for any application a stock image will likely be used for. 80% of what I sell is medium sized and below anyway.

Upgrading to a 40mp camera would not only include the expense of the camera, but additional costs for a faster computer to work on the files (especially RAW), extra storage space, and possibly even more bandwidth to upload them in a reasonable space of time.

No thanks. Anything that my 5DII can't do isn't something I'm interested in. At least not unless this business becomes WAY MORE LUCRATIVE in the next couple of years.

leaf · « **Reply #14 on:** March 29, 2013, 16:02 »

It's so easy to get upgradeitus and simply want the biggest and best just because it is bigger and supposedly better. I know I suffer from the disease. I have to keep reminding myself (or asking the question) if bigger is indeed better or if I should just keep tight with the equipment I have.

RacePhoto · « **Reply #15 on:** April 01, 2013, 12:09 »

Quote from: lisafx on March 29, 2013, 15:57

Agree 100%. The megapixel race is pretty much a non-issue at this point. 20+ mp is more than enough for any application a stock image will likely be used for. 80% of what I sell is medium sized and below anyway.

I think that covers it. The whole bigger is better has passed it's functional and useful point. Yeah, my lens is bigger than yours, my camera has more megapixels. I think that wore out in grade school?

Kind of like someone insisting on a 400 horsepower V-8 in a big gas guzzling SUV, to go get groceries or pick up the kids from school. A nice economical, paid for, working Mid-size will do just fine.

tab62 · « **Reply #16 on:** April 02, 2013, 10:53 »

Come on RacePhoto only 400 hp on a V8! I have 620HP on my V6 Twin Turbo Z350.

RacePhoto · « **Reply #17 on:** April 03, 2013, 11:45 »

Quote from: tab62 on April 02, 2013, 10:53

Come on RacePhoto only 400 hp on a V8! I have 620HP on my V6 Twin Turbo Z350.

Remember I work at the race tracks and drive an Accord Wagon, which at least is a stick. I can beat some dump trucks and older VW beetles in a drag race. LOL The EX with the VTEC engine has 130 H.P. (can you hear the crowd going, Ooh Ooh?)

Nothing wrong with fast sports cars, I just see no reason for a Humvee to go get groceries. I can't understand 40MP to take Microstock photos. Doesn't mean there's no use for either and doesn't mean they wouldn't be fun to operate. Just looking at the practical side.

Here's what I was thinking I should have for road trips...

Edited for the car I really wanted to use for the ideal road trip vehicle. Impractical but art in motion. Ferrari F355 Spider. 0 - 100 mph 11.3 s but not much to do after that, except slow down before I'd lose my license. Nice for merging onto the Interstate? I could probably find a nice one like this for around $50,000 which is a bargain!

Xanox · « **Reply #18 on:** April 03, 2013, 12:48 »

in reality, 35mm has ALWAYS been for amateurs until a few decades ago.

but now we have 36MP cameras and the technology divide is getting smaller.

however, as pointed out by others the difference is in the details and dynamic range.

there's plenty of landscape photographers still shooting on medium format with film and others using Hasselblads.
they would laugh at the idea of using a D800.

mtkang · « **Reply #19 on:** April 03, 2013, 22:15 »

hi, i wonder what are the advantages getting a medium format camera?

the high resolution may meet some special commercial requirement which need to print it extra large size?

does it share common lense? it seems bulky so does it mean it is usually restricted to use in studio?

Quote from: Ed on March 27, 2013, 20:03

I purchased an "open box" Pentax 645D with a DFA 645 55mm f/2.8 lens for $5,500 (the only reason I was able to get it). Adorama and B&H are currently selling the kit for $8,800.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/739072-REG/Pentax_17971_645D_Digital_SLR_Camera.html

Two months ago the body was going for $9,900 and the lens was going for $1,200. I suspect Pentax is coming out with an upgrade. The old Pentax 645 auto focus film lenses work well with the camera. I purchased 150mm f/2.8 from KEH.com in excellent+ condition for $795. The crop factor is .78 so the 150mm is 117mm equivalent and the 55mm is 43mm. I've been looking at this for a long time.

I had been looking at digital backs and I've seen bodies with digital backs used for as low as $8,000 here

http://captureintegration.com/products/demo-digital-backs/

Xanox · « **Reply #20 on:** April 04, 2013, 03:13 »

Quote from: mtkang on April 03, 2013, 22:15

hi, i wonder what are the advantages getting a medium format camera?

the high resolution may meet some special commercial requirement which need to print it extra large size?

does it share common lense? it seems bulky so does it mean it is usually restricted to use in studio?

some buyers with big pockets are willing to pay to achieve the "maximum possible quality".

and why not considering some AD campaigns cost hundreds of thousands of dollars ?

a friend of mine works in a creative agency, he told me most of the photographers use Hasselblads and they ask 10-20K $ to shoot some t-shirts of famous brands on white background that are later heavily photoshopped.

for these guys the cost of a medium format is nothing.

shotupdave · « **Reply #21 on:** April 04, 2013, 03:34 »

so many of the top guys are now leasing or renting their equipment so they can do a instant write off.

RacePhoto · « **Reply #22 on:** April 04, 2013, 22:49 »

People hire the photographer, not the camera.

tab62 · « **Reply #23 on:** April 04, 2013, 22:53 »

"People hire the photographer, not the camera."

Yeah, and people say your camera takes nice photos! You really taught your camera well lol!

BaldricksTrousers · « **Reply #24 on:** April 05, 2013, 03:42 »

Quote from: RacePhoto on March 29, 2013, 12:12

Quote from: BaldricksTrousers on March 27, 2013, 17:30
Could be a great opportunity to sell 40MP images for 25c subs!

... Get with the times BT!

Certainly not! Who do you think I am? If I were to keep up with the times I wouldn't have been able to shoot an 80MP picture with $400-worth of kit this week, would I?
Not paying any attentions to the times is great fun

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