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« on: May 06, 2012, 10:28 »
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Hi! I've been using pinterest for a while now and I'm loving it. Great source of inspiration and great way to share images we love.

Anyone there?

Mine : http://pinterest.com/gubh83/


« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2012, 10:56 »
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So which of your "pins" do you not hold copyright to, to be able to reproduce and redistribute like Pinterest allows you to?

CarlssonInc

« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2012, 11:28 »
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Pinterest = p(a)in the butt and should be avoided at all costs! Hopefully won't be long before they are shut down.

« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2012, 12:46 »
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Pinterest = p(a)in the butt and should be avoided at all costs! Hopefully won't be long before they are shut down.

can you elaborate? i joined awhile ago based on several positive reviews, but have never gotten around to actually doing anything there



« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2012, 17:43 »
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Here you go.
http://seanlockephotography.com/2012/01/26/pinterest-com-and-copyright/

Nice read, thanks Sean.

Pinterest acts the same way as Megaupload.

The web site owners claim that everything is in order as long as their members adhere to the laws. But providing a platform such as Pinterest (and the fact that the content is copied to their servers) will inevitably motivate people to share stuff that they don't have the rights for.

Naturally, Pinterest would be out of business by the end of next week if they wouldn't copy the images to their servers as through hot-linking (which may be disabled in the first place for some images) domain name, directories and file names change or will be removed in the future. Therefore Pinterest wants to provide a stable and "complete" library.

Highly questionable whether they can get away with this for a long time. Class action lawsuits or at least some big guns like Getty will put them in their place eventually.

I also don't understand the point of Pinterest... Maybe I'm too old for that stuff  ???

ShadySue

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« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2012, 18:02 »
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I also don't understand the point of Pinterest... Maybe I'm too old for that stuff  ???
I don't use it, but an example I've read is to keep clips as inspiration for home decorating, so any time you see something you might like, you pin it, then you have everything in one place. I'd guess paint, furniture, carpet, etc companies are happy for their images to be collected like this. It's probably a bit easier than saving out all the pics to a folder on your hard drive.

Or if you were researching before going shopping, you could pin all the things you wanted to buy and access them on a mobile device (oh, get me, I sound as though I've joined the 21st century)

I'd think you could collaborate on some sort of project in the same way, e.g. planning a trip, and you could then share ideas online with the people you'll be travelling with.

In that way, it seems like a far more useful system than FB or especially twitter. But like I said, I've never used it, and all the copyright issues noted.

OTOH, look how easy browsers make it just to copy and share images whenever you like.

« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2012, 18:21 »
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So why am I using the Bookmark function of my browser then???

Did they reinvent the wheel and published something, nobody really needed but now "everyone" because it's hip?

gillian vann

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« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2012, 18:25 »
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I'm not taking sides but..... if I were to cu tan image out of a magazine and pin it up in my home on a pinboard, am I infringing copyright?  effectively this is just people collecting and sharing beautiful imagery on a pinboard that is digital, they aren't using images to sell anything, or trying to steal images.  We aren't losing any money, because the pinners aren't in the market to buy images. If the site is shut down then that'll be it, we won't suddenly find these people buying our images.

I concede that it's a great place to steal images, but then google image search also is pretty handy for that.  There are a lot of watermarked images on the site too, which is actually a form of advertising for your image and the stock site it's been "borrowed" from.

I admit I struggle to see the point of it {pinterest}. Although I have for years collected images in a visual diary, which I have both stuck on my wall and as a folder in Bridge, so I can see its use as a great source of inspiration. i used it briefly last year but I don't often go back to it. Like twitter, I just don't get it. Some ppl have too much time on their hands!

« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2012, 19:06 »
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no, actually I think its just like FB but without the chit-chat, basically its a waste of time but we do need to have fun too

helix7

« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2012, 20:23 »
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Pinterest acts the same way as Megaupload.

The web site owners claim that everything is in order as long as their members adhere to the laws. But providing a platform such as Pinterest (and the fact that the content is copied to their servers) will inevitably motivate people to share stuff that they don't have the rights for...

It's not at all in the same realm as Megaupload. Sure Pinterest is a similar platform, where they're the neutral ground connecting people who want to share stuff with people who want to get it for free. But the big difference that gets overlooked in photography and various other forms of imagery is that there is no widespread illegal redistribution of content happening.

In various conversations/discussions about Pinterest where fears of images being freely and illegally shared are expressed, I have yet to see any evidence that any significant numbers of usable images are being shared in such a way. I haven't found high-res or vector versions of any of my stuff on there, nor have I seen more than 1 case of a high-res image being shared. Most of the time it's low-res stuff or in the case of stock, watermarked images.

I don't see how Pinterest is a threat to a dime of my money. Unless that changes, I don't see the harm in it.

However one way in which I've seen Pinterest impact photographers' earnings is in the case of wedding photographers. Some wedding shooters have claimed to have booked jobs due to exposure on Pinterest. In some cases, multiple jobs.

« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2012, 21:04 »
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"I'm not taking sides but..... if I were to cu tan image out of a magazine and pin it up in my home on a pinboard, am I infringing copyright?  effectively this is just people collecting and sharing beautiful imagery on a pinboard that is digital, they aren't using images to sell anything, or trying to steal images.  We aren't losing any money, because the pinners aren't in the market to buy images. If the site is shut down then that'll be it, we won't suddenly find these people buying our images."

Sorry, this is the kind of nonsense I read over and over.

A: by buying a magazine, you are allowed to modify its physical appearance.  Cut it up, whatever.  Pin it on your fridge or wall.  Copying someone else's work freely to a third party server as you see fit for redistribution is not at all the same.  It is also irrelevant whether the thief is making money or if they are 'collecting beautiful imagery'.  It is the copyright holder's right to determine where their work is used.  Not yours.

" there is no widespread illegal redistribution of content happening."

The entire site is nothing but illegal redistribution of content.

I've got several more articles on my blog for thought.

« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2012, 21:46 »
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Same as Megaupload? But they only get the thumbs from the sites, right? Or any resolution one may have posted his own images somewhere. Isn't it so?

« Reply #14 on: May 06, 2012, 21:54 »
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Hmmm.. Interesting to see so much negative feedback on the site. The "pinterest debate" is definitely a heated one and both sides have really good points.

I like that it's a "social" type of bookmarking, I like that it's a "visual" type of bookmarking (unlike bookmarking on your computer)... I'm not getting into the debate on whether it's the best or the worst thing to happen recently, there is plenty of that going around without my 2c, but I thought I'd throw in my personal feelings about it.

I like the concept and have been using pinterest quite a lot for different things, including pinning some recipes (which my hubby loves), home organizing ideas, some GREAT-GREAT-GREAT ideas for activities and diy's with kids (which my toddler loves!) and (of course) some ideas that I like and I'd like to remember to use in my own photo sessions with photography clients.

I also have thought of it as a sort of informal marketing for my photo business and I"ve actually gotten a couple of clients off of it as well as connected with other photographers doing kids and baby and family portraiture... In my book, it's not black or white... more like shades of gray :)

rubyroo

« Reply #15 on: May 07, 2012, 00:57 »
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I like the concept of being able to easily drag, pin and organise stuff for reference on a virtual pinboard on my own PC.  However, I've no interest whatsoever in sharing such a scrapbook online due to the potential copyright infringements that could result.  

Does anyone know if such a thing exists purely for local use?  Stripped away from the 'social media' context.
« Last Edit: May 07, 2012, 02:17 by rubyroo »

CarlssonInc

« Reply #16 on: May 07, 2012, 01:25 »
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sjlocke said "It is the copyright holder's right to determine where their work is used.  Not yours." - that sums it up perfectly.

It is hard to phantom why there would be any positive reactions from a stock photography forum. It doesn't matter whether these "pinners" earn any money from our images or not, at some point Pininterest will monetize their traffic (or have they already?) to satisfy their investors. Why do they get traffic? Because of our images which are used without our permission, copied to their severs and stripped of metadata. The lame attempt of cleaning their hands by shuffling the responsibility to the pinners to only pin material they are allowed to is ludicrous - Pininterest is without a doubt aiding, enabling and encouraging copyright infringements. May they soon be gone.

antistock

« Reply #17 on: May 07, 2012, 02:38 »
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Pininterest is without a doubt aiding, enabling and encouraging copyright infringements. May they soon be gone.


good luck ... i'm sure in the end nobody will move a finger, as youtube and google images are still there, and what about Yahoo Images where you also have a two advertising boxes above and below the images ??

check this link searching "paris hotel" on yahoo images.
http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images;_ylt=A0oGdWSneqdPsHIAWhRXNyoA?p=paris+hotel&fr=yfp-t-701&fr2=piv-web

W-TF ... the reason for why G images is still there was because google managed to win a few lawsuits claiming they make no profit from G images, now what about Yahoo ? they indeed are monetizing their image search and making a sh-it load of money ! on top of this if you click an image a new page will open showing the picture in your face and almost completely obfuscating the website it belongs so at this point there's absolutely no gain from web site owners from being popular in yahoo images and i'm seeing the same situation with google images, years ago my indexed images earned a lot of free links and visitors from these services, now it's almost zero.

i'm so  fu-cking tired of this "wild west" web.
« Last Edit: May 07, 2012, 02:41 by antistock »

« Reply #18 on: May 07, 2012, 03:00 »
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I love Pinterest for marketing my prints and POD products, plus for sending out referral links.  It's 1000x better than FB and Twitter, because the pins act like bookmarks with a visual and therefore are much more likely to be forwarded.  Plus they remain on my page, categorized as thumbs, where future visitors can easily browse through my stuff.  No one wants to browse through a store's history of FB posts or tweets, but it's fun browsing through someone's pin board...so the pin board is acting almost like a second storefront or catalog of my various products on various sites.  

I mostly use it as an organizing tool for things like recipes, gardening ideas, and Photoshop tutorials.  So much better than standard browser bookmarks!          
« Last Edit: May 07, 2012, 03:02 by Karimala »

CarlssonInc

« Reply #19 on: May 07, 2012, 03:13 »
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Pininterest is without a doubt aiding, enabling and encouraging copyright infringements. May they soon be gone.


good luck ... i'm sure in the end nobody will move a finger, as youtube and google images are still there, and what about Yahoo Images where you also have a two advertising boxes above and below the images ??

check this link searching "paris hotel" on yahoo images.
http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images;_ylt=A0oGdWSneqdPsHIAWhRXNyoA?p=paris+hotel&fr=yfp-t-701&fr2=piv-web

W-TF ... the reason for why G images is still there was because google managed to win a few lawsuits claiming they make no profit from G images, now what about Yahoo ? they indeed are monetizing their image search and making a sh-it load of money ! on top of this if you click an image a new page will open showing the picture in your face and almost completely obfuscating the website it belongs so at this point there's absolutely no gain from web site owners from being popular in yahoo images and i'm seeing the same situation with google images, years ago my indexed images earned a lot of free links and visitors from these services, now it's almost zero.

i'm so  fu-cking tired of this "wild west" web.


Huge difference though is that the search engines stops at only indexing the images and linking to their actual location, whilst Pininterest copies and stores the images on to their own servers.

« Reply #20 on: May 07, 2012, 06:39 »
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I like the concept and have been using pinterest quite a lot for different things, including pinning some recipes (which my hubby loves), home organizing ideas, some GREAT-GREAT-GREAT ideas for activities and diy's with kids (which my toddler loves!) and (of course) some ideas that I like and I'd like to remember to use in my own photo sessions with photography clients.

There's a button on your browser that says "bookmark this page".  It allows you to save references to any page you like without infringing the rights of others to determine where their work is redistributed.

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #21 on: May 07, 2012, 07:08 »
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I like the concept and have been using pinterest quite a lot for different things, including pinning some recipes (which my hubby loves), home organizing ideas, some GREAT-GREAT-GREAT ideas for activities and diy's with kids (which my toddler loves!) and (of course) some ideas that I like and I'd like to remember to use in my own photo sessions with photography clients.

There's a button on your browser that says "bookmark this page".  It allows you to save references to any page you like without infringing the rights of others to determine where their work is redistributed.

Nothing like as handy as having them all in one place, rather than having to click each bookmark separately; and nothing like as handy for sharing suggestions with others. E.g., you're organising a night out and want to shortlist several venues. Of course you could email round a list of bookmarks, and your colleagues could click through them all one at a time, but nothing like as handy as having them all easily viewable in one place.

I was quite surprised to see that 'pinning' trumps 'right-click disabled' when I discovered one of my Flickr pics had been pinned. A woman was shortlisting tartans for use in her highland dancing group, so was pinning pics of different tartans actually being worn 'in use' so that people could check them out and vote, and apparently one of my dancers was wearing a relatively unusual design.

« Reply #22 on: May 07, 2012, 07:09 »
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Nothing like as handy as having them all in one place, rather than having to click each bookmark separately; and nothing like as handy for sharing suggestions with others. E.g., you're organising a night out and want to shortlist several venues. Of course you could email round a list of bookmarks, and your colleagues could click through them all one at a time, but nothing like as handy as having them all easily viewable in one place.

Sad that "easy" seems to trump "not using illegally".

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #23 on: May 07, 2012, 07:26 »
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Nothing like as handy as having them all in one place, rather than having to click each bookmark separately; and nothing like as handy for sharing suggestions with others. E.g., you're organising a night out and want to shortlist several venues. Of course you could email round a list of bookmarks, and your colleagues could click through them all one at a time, but nothing like as handy as having them all easily viewable in one place.

Sad that "easy" seems to trump "not using illegally".

Can you really imagine that in the above scenario, the venues would be concerned, other than they're not the only ones on the shortlist?

Note again that the browsers make 'saving' and 'sharing' directly from websites so very 'easy'. Even Microsoft, who rush after anyone who comes within a hundred miles of possibly breaching one of their copyrights/trademarks.
Yes, Pinterest is a concern, but on RF, when you find an image you've sold once being used on more than ten different sites, but you can't be really certain that one designer didn't actually use it on all the sites, you're essentially giving your images away, because once someone has used it, anyone else can just right-click and save it 'easily'.

« Reply #24 on: May 07, 2012, 07:29 »
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Personally I don't care if someone ads my images to his board. What makes me angry is the possibility of embedding of images to another website. I could start new web without paying for images and it would be more or less legal - according to Pinterest.
http://www.northsideseo.com/pinterest-copyright-linkbuilding/


 

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