Author Topic: Terrorist attack in Paris 140 dead (Read 39396 times)

Firewall · « **Reply #125 on:** November 17, 2015, 11:20 »

Quote from: Nikovsk on November 17, 2015, 02:23

I think we shouldn't discuss topics unrelated to micro at all. It just creates conflict and weaken our position as contributors. There are many political blogs where you will find people who share the same views, it's more productive and less stressful for all. I will start by myself, hope you guys join in.

In a good discussion everybody should respect each other's opinions and views without the insults and name calling, that's lacking here

Zero Talent · « **Reply #126 on:** November 17, 2015, 11:39 »

Quote from: robhainer on November 17, 2015, 09:10

Why would I want to post on a blog with people who share my views? You learn nothing by listening to your own echo.

True.

Personally, I find interesting to see how some are convinced, beyond doubt, that fascism is the answer to terrorism.

Nikovsk · « **Reply #127 on:** November 17, 2015, 12:03 »

This is a very low level discussion. I haven't learned anything in the last 5 pages, other than photographers have very little understanding in history, economy and politics. Therefore it was a big waste of time for me. When I read independent news outlets like ZeroHedge, the general level of understanding is much higher, people also disagree but you can learn quite a lot - that's the difference.

MSG is great when it comes to micro agencies and photography, and that's about it.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #128 on:** November 17, 2015, 12:28 »

Quote from: Nikovsk on November 17, 2015, 12:03

... photographers have very little understanding in history, economy and politics.

What a condescending attitude!

Besides, there are not just photographers here. There are economists, engineers, teachers, etc. Have you considered, that, maybe, just maybe, you are the one with an odd understanding of economics, politics and history?

cobalt · « **Reply #129 on:** November 17, 2015, 12:38 »

Quote from: Firewall on November 17, 2015, 01:43

Quote from: cobalt on November 15, 2015, 11:12
Of course, but attacks in Beirut, Damascus or Bagdad are not unexpected. The whole region is an unstable civil war zone.

Paris,London and New York are not known to be at war, an attack there is something new.

Moreover these are truly global cities probably visited by over a billion people have once in their life visited them, studied or worked there.

They are places millions of people around the world dream to move to, places we believe you can live safely and in peace.

More people around the world have some kind of emotional connection to Paris, than to Damascus or large cities in Africa that also have many attacks and violence.

The terrorists know this, an attack there will get them more attention and a lot more money from their supporters than an attack in Beirut.

If we do get monthly attacks in France, it won´t be front page news anymore. That is just the way media works.

Even in the Middle East many people are more shocked about attacks in Paris or London than at home. Especially, if they have sent their children to school or to study there, hoping they have sent them to a safe place.
That's just too bad, but not uncommon for people to consider Middle East and Africa as dangerous and unstable places. Ask yourself, how many attacks were there in Beirut this year and how many in Paris?
There are safer places in the Middle East and Africa than in France. There are no terrorist attacks in let's say Lilongwe or Amman or Muscat or Kigali.

Speaking to people in the field, whether they are Egyptians, Palestinians, Syrians, Lebanese, Jordanians, Israeli or bedouins, all say the same thing, the West doesn't care about our lives. Even Facebook has a double standard here. Sad.

I have family in Amman and Beirut, so for me personally there is an emotional connection if something happens there. But for most people around me there isn´t. It doesn´t mean that only french lives matter. It is just not the same emotional connection.

Imagine you go to attend the funeral of a very dear friend and while you stand by the grave and mourn, somebody walks up to you and complains that you are not showing any emotion to the other person who died and who´se funeral is being held two rows down.

Just because you are grieving for your friend doesn´t mean you have no empathy for other people. But you will feel a deeper loss to someone you are connected to than the rest of the world.

Attacks happen every single day somewhere across the globe. If there was an attack in my town of Cologne, the Sydney opera house would not be lit up in the colours of my city. Nor would I expect it or go on the internet to complain. There is no competition in grief.

If something happens in Asia, Sri Lanka, or Ukraine, it doesn´t affect me as much as London, Paris, Amman, New York or Athens. wherever my family and friends live will have the strongest pull on me. And I don´t see why I should feel guilty for it, I don´t expect the whole world to follow my life in Cologne, either.

JPSDK · « **Reply #130 on:** November 17, 2015, 14:43 »

Posted from a Danish member of the board. Putin has some points.
I support him and France.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2jA88RlQ2c

gcrook · « **Reply #131 on:** November 17, 2015, 15:30 »

Quote from: JPSDK on November 17, 2015, 14:43

Posted from a Danish member of the board. Putin has some points.
I support him and France.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2jA88RlQ2c

As much as i loathe and despise that idiot one thing i take from his speech.That the American elite is of such a low level (intellectually and strategically) that has managed to create chaos from which no one can benefit,not even them (USA for example has no control of the oil).
It's after all the American doctrine of scorched earth.USA can't win a war nowadays (winning means seizing control not bombing with planes) so they have decided to create an array of failed states using allies (good Al Quaeda-bad Al-Quaeda,...anyone remember?).Obama himself has said it (if you can deconstruct his speech) .
Again this article straight from the horse's mouth http://www.juancole.com/2014/09/defensive-rhetoric-offense.html

After all Victoria Nuland's leaked comment on the devastating Ukraine civil war (sorry i meant the just struggle for liberation against the tyranny of Russia) was plain and simple "F*** Europe"
Thanks for letting me contribute my low level of writing to this discussion as someone earlier -who has no idea that immigration is a historical fact long before him meaning that his ancestors were a bunch of "apes" according to the natives-
eloquently put.

gbalex · « **Reply #132 on:** November 17, 2015, 15:58 »

Quote from: robhainer on November 16, 2015, 19:47

Quote from: anathaya on November 16, 2015, 19:37
Quote from: robhainer on November 16, 2015, 19:32
I find it disappointing so many people here don't support doing anything about ISIS. They control land and have a standing Army.

Who armed them?

It doesn't really matter. What matters is stopping them.

And for a fact, the U.S. did not arm them. We armed other rebels opposed to the Syrian regime, and ISIS took their weapons. Then they took land, and recruited a greater force with money from stolen oil.

In the end, they are evil. There's no shade of gray here. If you support doing nothing about them, you are complicit in their evil.

I supposed it's easy for some to stand by while they kidnap young Yazidi girls and sell them as sex slaves while launching attacks on Paris that kill dozens with more to come.

You will be signing up then, to fight ISIS on the ground yourself!

Or do you expect young men all over the world to do the dirty work for you?

Microstockphoto · « **Reply #133 on:** November 17, 2015, 16:04 »

Ok,. I wasnt expecting this kind of discussion when I posted about 140 innocent dead people, feel sorry it has turned ugly

r2d2 · « **Reply #134 on:** November 17, 2015, 16:31 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on November 17, 2015, 12:28

Quote from: Nikovsk on November 17, 2015, 12:03
... photographers have very little understanding in history, economy and politics.

What a condescending attitude!

Besides, there are not just photographers here. There are economists, engineers, teachers, etc. Have you considered, that, maybe, just maybe, you are the one with an odd understanding of economics, politics and history?

He is Mr. Know it all! He reads independent media like gatestoneinstitute.com with this help he analysed my homecountry now he knows germany better than i.

But the best of the best is that he is scared that we germans come to his homeland because (he thinks) we have so massive problems with refugees here that we germans leave germany.

He is my new right-wing hero!

PS: Just for the record Nikovsk, whats your homecountry?

robhainer · « **Reply #135 on:** November 17, 2015, 17:58 »

Quote from: gbalex on November 17, 2015, 15:58

Quote from: robhainer on November 16, 2015, 19:47
Quote from: anathaya on November 16, 2015, 19:37
Quote from: robhainer on November 16, 2015, 19:32
I find it disappointing so many people here don't support doing anything about ISIS. They control land and have a standing Army.

Who armed them?

It doesn't really matter. What matters is stopping them.

And for a fact, the U.S. did not arm them. We armed other rebels opposed to the Syrian regime, and ISIS took their weapons. Then they took land, and recruited a greater force with money from stolen oil.

In the end, they are evil. There's no shade of gray here. If you support doing nothing about them, you are complicit in their evil.

I supposed it's easy for some to stand by while they kidnap young Yazidi girls and sell them as sex slaves while launching attacks on Paris that kill dozens with more to come.

You will be signing up then, to fight ISIS on the ground yourself!

Or do you expect young men all over the world to do the dirty work for you?

I served my time in the military during Desert Storm. I'm too old now. I'd go if they would take me.

But my sons might be required to serve.

Have you served your nation during war? Until you do, I don't think you can put that criticism on me.

sharpshot · « **Reply #136 on:** November 17, 2015, 18:20 »

Quote from: Nikovsk on November 17, 2015, 12:03

This is a very low level discussion. I haven't learned anything in the last 5 pages, other than photographers have very little understanding in history, economy and politics. Therefore it was a big waste of time for me. When I read independent news outlets like ZeroHedge, the general level of understanding is much higher, people also disagree but you can learn quite a lot - that's the difference.

MSG is great when it comes to micro agencies and photography, and that's about it.

If you think photographers no nothing about war, you need to do more research. Try here for a start
https://youtu.be/6mSEjxfXBsg

Zero Talent · « **Reply #137 on:** November 17, 2015, 21:20 »

Quote from: r2d2 on November 17, 2015, 16:31

PS: Just for the record Nikovsk, whats your homecountry?

Quote from: Nikovsk on November 15, 2015, 19:09

* Hitler invaded my country and killed us by the millions.

Which countries, invaded by Hitler, had millions of casualties in WWII?

1. Soviet Union ~ 20M
2. Poland ~ 5.8M
3. Yugoslavia ~1.7M

Yugoslavia is no more, so it can only be Russia or Poland.
I don't believe he is from Poland. Corroborating his anti-EU, "divide et impera" rhetoric, my "vote" goes for Russia.

ferdinand · « **Reply #138 on:** November 18, 2015, 01:47 »

Quote from: JPSDK on November 17, 2015, 14:43

Posted from a Danish member of the board. Putin has some points.
I support him and France.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2jA88RlQ2c

... Putin is the only statesman (historical figure) in the 21st century politics ... he will find solution for Isis...

Nikovsk · « **Reply #139 on:** November 18, 2015, 03:15 »

Quote from: r2d2 on November 17, 2015, 16:31

But the best of the best is that he is scared that we germans come to his homeland because (he thinks) we have so massive problems with refugees here that we germans leave germany.

I'm a big fan of Germany, most beautiful towns I've ever seen and I traveled quite a bit. Germans are probably the most productive people in the world. Wherever they go, they make the best out of the situation (Early US, South Brazil, Romania before WWII). We will gladly take them, except the cultural marxists. Immigration is great when it comes to civilized, hard-working people who are self reliant. We don't need illegals shopping for the best welfare deals.

The Guardian just called, they want Zero Talent in their team. Work starts tomorrow.

ferdinand · « **Reply #140 on:** November 18, 2015, 03:54 »

[/quote]

Which countries, invaded by Hitler, had millions of casualties in WWII?

1. Soviet Union ~ 20M
2. Poland ~ 5.8M
3. Yugoslavia ~1.7M

[/quote]

..."nice" statistics - 27.50 M people killed for no reason at all... Be more careful with these numbers - those are innocent people, women, children... mostly Slavs and Jews...

anathaya · « **Reply #141 on:** November 18, 2015, 03:57 »

Quote from: ferdinand on November 18, 2015, 03:54

Which countries, invaded by Hitler, had millions of casualties in WWII?

1. Soviet Union ~ 20M
2. Poland ~ 5.8M
3. Yugoslavia ~1.7M

..."nice" statistics - 27.20 M people killed for no reason at all... Be more careful with this numbers - those are innocent people, women, children... mostly Slavs and Jews...

27.20 M - only in those three countries. Total numbers are much larger ~73M.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #142 on:** November 18, 2015, 06:49 »

Quote from: ferdinand on November 18, 2015, 03:54

Which countries, invaded by Hitler, had millions of casualties in WWII?

1. Soviet Union ~ 20M
2. Poland ~ 5.8M
3. Yugoslavia ~1.7M

[/quote]

..."nice" statistics - 27.50 M people killed for no reason at all... Be more careful with these numbers - those are innocent people, women, children... mostly Slavs and Jews...
[/quote]

....And the forgotten gypsy genocide, very few know or talk about.

These deaths originate from those aryan/white-supremacist, xenophobic and fascist policies our friend Nikovsk is a big fan of.

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KnowYourOnions · « **Reply #143 on:** November 18, 2015, 09:11 »

Talking of ...The fallen of the WW2 -

18 min should get your full attention!

JPSDK · « **Reply #144 on:** November 18, 2015, 13:57 »

Quote from: KnowYourOnions on November 18, 2015, 09:11

Talking of ...The fallen of the WW2 -

18 min should get your full attention!

Brings perspective, doesnt it?

etudiante_rapide · « **Reply #145 on:** November 18, 2015, 15:57 »

Quote from: Nikovsk on November 17, 2015, 12:03

This is a very low level discussion. I haven't learned anything in the last 5 pages, other than photographers have very little understanding in history, economy and politics. Therefore it was a big waste of time for me. When I read independent news outlets like ZeroHedge, the general level of understanding is much higher, people also disagree but you can learn quite a lot - that's the difference.

MSG is great when it comes to micro agencies and photography, and that's about it.

you were right on the spot in your one before comment when you say this is not the place to
discuss politics,
then you come back a 100% turnaround to continue to say msg forum ppl
is only great in their head with photography and agencies.

you are right first time, and second time,.. but only partly-right on the latter comment.

this is not a place we care to discuss politics, there are forum where you can discuss that
or spread your political patroitism or beliefs ,
but really, most of us are not interested in discussing politics here.

as leaf titled this forum... MSG , it is not about discussing mono sodium glutamate
and even more, it is not about discussing mass suicide genocide or what other MSG means

anathaya · « **Reply #146 on:** November 18, 2015, 20:05 »

Quote from: etudiante_rapide on November 18, 2015, 15:57

as leaf titled this forum... MSG , it is not about discussing mono sodium glutamate
and even more, it is not about discussing mass suicide genocide or what other MSG means

This thread is posted in "Off Topic" section.

etudiante_rapide · « **Reply #147 on:** November 18, 2015, 20:37 »

Quote from: anathaya on November 18, 2015, 20:05

Quote from: etudiante_rapide on November 18, 2015, 15:57
as leaf titled this forum... MSG , it is not about discussing mono sodium glutamate
and even more, it is not about discussing mass suicide genocide or what other MSG means

This thread is posted in "Off Topic" section.

doesn't matter. there are forums where you can talk about terrorism until the cows come home or till your ying yang whatever falls out.
if you come here to preach some anti this or pro that, you came to the wrong place.

ss forum etc also has offtopics but it just means something else other than micro stock..
but terrorism or pointing a finger at certain sections of our society
is not really the place on msg. sorry !!!

here's one for the true terrorist forum, why not go where there is a common thread , no pun intended
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/terrorism
or just go to any newspaper site, they all have a page for "your opinion" on terrist attack in paris
unless you prefer to discuss a topic here where we are more "know only about" taking photos..

etudiante_rapide · « **Reply #148 on:** November 18, 2015, 20:55 »

i don't know about the rest, but i for one , hate to see leaf's forum turned into having the top 5 issues as off topics instead of what he wanted this forum to be ... microstock photography..

off topic like reddit or pickup gurus,, or just plain way off topic rather than closely related photography topics other than microstock.

we have this site as the only forum worth reading and sharing about views on microstock..
why try to replace it with talks on incontinence, PQQ and mitocondria biogenesis, what i can do with wet sock and body odour,etc.. whatever...

i hope you see where i am going???

it's like someone going into a camera club or golfer's club to pickup on terrorism or
crochet or wife-swopping, etc etc etc
it's just not the place... esp when the web has tons of each appropriate topic forums

also, as shadysue pointed out, there are lurkers who have not commented at all ...
so let's keep this forum out of harm's way

anathaya · « **Reply #149 on:** November 18, 2015, 22:15 »

Quote from: etudiante_rapide on November 18, 2015, 20:55

off topic like reddit or pickup gurus,, or just plain way off topic rather than closely related photography topics other than microstock.

Shouldn't they go in the massage board for "General Photography Discussion"?
http://www.microstockgroup.com/general-photography-discussion/

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