Author Topic: This should settle some different opinions (Read 132452 times)

stoker2014 · « **Reply #1150 on:** August 20, 2023, 07:31 »

Quote from: Annie on August 20, 2023, 07:19

(PS: I thought you would already know that its all about superior military intelligence, weaponry and a whole lot more. I didn't think I would have to spell it out to you.)

Yes, I didn't understand what you wrote. English is not my native language.
You wrote that the number of soldiers does not matter. This is not a correct statement.
Do you think that China has no intelligence, no satellites, no weapons? Do you have any idea what 1.5 billion people are? Yes, no weapons will help here

, even if these people are not armed at all.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #1151 on:** August 20, 2023, 07:33 »

Quote from: Annie on August 20, 2023, 07:19

This is what happens to a lot of your posts, or interpretations of what you read in newspaper articles.

If you understood those articles that I cited here differently than I did, I am ready to read your opinion. Link to the article and write.

Annie2022 · « **Reply #1152 on:** August 20, 2023, 07:56 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on August 20, 2023, 07:31

Quote from: Annie on August 20, 2023, 07:19
(PS: I thought you would already know that its all about superior military intelligence, weaponry and a whole lot more. I didn't think I would have to spell it out to you.)
Yes, I didn't understand what you wrote. English is not my native language.
You wrote that the number of soldiers does not matter. This is not a correct statement.
Do you think that China has no intelligence, no satellites, no weapons? Do you have any idea what 1.5 billion people are? Yes, no weapons will help here , even if these people are not armed at all.

Just so you understand my background: my father-in-law is a military history buff and is known to have one of the largest private military book collections in our State. You have no idea how big it is. You would be shocked if you saw all the books. Most people are when they walk into their house. It drives my Mother-in-law crazy, because his collection has spilled out of his library, into the spare rooms, the hallways, bookshelves everywhere! He was born in England during the Battle of Britain, and I always think that somehow this has made him overly fascinated with the subject.

I've told Pete about it, but not sure whether I told Mihai who is a military buff himself.

This interest has also rubbed off on my husband, so I am surrounded by all this military talk/knowledge. My husband's latest hobby is WWII planes and tanks. And its not just 20th century wars that they know about, it all, anywhere and anything historic. Which is ironic, because I am anti-war myself.

I still think you go too far with your theories and are conspiratorial - but this is what this thread is about: different opinions.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #1153 on:** August 20, 2023, 08:23 »

Annie, talk to your husband and father-in-law and they will tell you the same as I write.

Annie2022 · « **Reply #1154 on:** August 20, 2023, 09:10 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on August 20, 2023, 08:23

Annie, talk to your husband and father-in-law and they will tell you the same as I write.

OK, I did - and here is the answer:

USA & NATO combined have the greatest military strength in the world today.

Russia is not a threat. They have the most nukes - but most of them are 20 years old and probably more of a threat to themselves.

Would China enter into a war with America? Their answer: Why? What would China have to gain? They (and Japan) already own most of USA debt (China owns $860 billion) anyway. Also China's economy is struggling with 25% unemployment and their youth unemployment is so bad they have stopped reporting it.

Number of foot soldiers is not important as it was in the 20th century wars.

America's greatest threat is coming from itself, its internal politics, inability of political parties to agree on anything, 'civil war' infighting, and debt is more of a risk than China.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #1155 on:** August 20, 2023, 09:57 »

Quote from: Annie on August 20, 2023, 09:10

USA & NATO combined have the greatest military strength in the world today.

Logically. If not for their ostrich policy, it would be generally cool.

Quote from: Annie on August 20, 2023, 09:10

Russia is not a threat. They have the most nukes - but most of them are 20 years old and probably more of a threat to themselves.

Then let's get faster F16 fighters and long-range missiles to Ukraine. What are you afraid of?

Quote from: Annie on August 20, 2023, 09:10

Would China enter into a war with America? Their answer: Why? What would China have to gain? They (and Japan) already own most of USA debt (China owns $860 billion) anyway. Also China's economy is struggling with 25% unemployment and their youth unemployment is so bad they have stopped reporting it.

It depends on what is considered a war. The history books have not yet written what I wrote on the last 2-3 pages.
China is striving for world domination, for the occupation of Taiwan. Why does China support the Russians. It is not necessary to use rockets, shells, tanks or nuclear weapons to kill Europeans and Americans and their economies. I have already written about covid-19, about drugs.
The supply of weapons and components by China to Russia is already participation in the war.
Of course, right now, China will not directly engage in military clashes with the United States, China is not yet ready for this. But China is doing everything to weaken the US, the EU, and there is already a lot of talk about the possibility of military clashes in a few years.
At the moment, China, with the help of Russia, is attacking the world order.

Quote from: Annie on August 20, 2023, 09:10

Number of foot soldiers is not important as it was in the 20th century wars.

It probably depends on how many soldiers and what weapons are used in the war. In the case of Ukraine, the number of soldiers matters.

Quote from: Annie on August 20, 2023, 09:10

America's greatest threat is coming from itself, its internal politics, inability of political parties to agree on anything, 'civil war' infighting, and debt is more of a risk than China.

$:-\$

trabuco · « **Reply #1156 on:** August 21, 2023, 01:36 »

A third world war can not happen because the USA now is not able to get profit without consecuences.

It's so simple.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #1157 on:** August 21, 2023, 04:09 »

Biden did allow the F16 to be transferred to Ukraine. Time is greatly lost, and all this little by little. However, I will let you know.

Denmark to supply Ukraine with 19 F-16 fighter jets

trabuco · « **Reply #1158 on:** August 21, 2023, 05:05 »

It's stupid.

Ukraine doesn't know how to use or repare them. Are not toys, hard to handle.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #1159 on:** August 21, 2023, 10:29 »

Quote from: trabuco on August 21, 2023, 05:05

It's stupid.

Ukraine doesn't know how to use or repare them. Are not toys, hard to handle.

No. It's not. Not at all. It's the right thing to do.

A dedicated training center for Ukrainian pilots is being set up, as we speak, at the Borcea airforce base in Romania.

This type of training takes time. The F16s and the pilots will only be ready to defend Ukraine from the imperialist russian invasion from 2024 onwards.

By all accounts this is late, but better late than never.

Ukrainian F-16 pilots will be trained by the private company Draken International.

The company published a recruitment ad stating that the military instructors would work at the Borcea/Feteşti military base in Romania.

The company is also recruiting other categories of personnel for the pilot training center, including technicians, electricians, and other avionics specialists. Applicants must have at least five years of experience operating F-16 aircraft. Hired people will stay in Romania for three to 19 months.

Initially, training will consist of testing and selection of Ukrainian personnel, language lessons, and later theoretical and practical training will be conducted. The program aims for Ukrainian pilots to acquire basic skills in operating and maintaining F-16 aircraft

Zero Talent · « **Reply #1160 on:** August 21, 2023, 10:54 »

This is Sophia.

She was murdered at the age of 6 by a russian missile strike in Chernihiv. Meanwhile, 64 thousand russians on Telegram laugh at her:
"Chernihiv. Selling child sandals. Unworn".

This is a great reminder that it's not just putin and the "poor mobilized." $:-\$

Lizard · « **Reply #1161 on:** August 21, 2023, 11:16 »

This has to go viral.

Lizard · « **Reply #1162 on:** August 21, 2023, 11:22 »

Quote from: trabuco on August 21, 2023, 05:05

It's stupid.

Ukraine doesn't know how to use or repare them. Are not toys, hard to handle.

Absolutely. Thats why they got middle finger for NATO membership and they are basically on their own with arm supply which has to be used by someone while the population is drastically declining.

They lost the nation, huge part of population, territory for an actor playing a puppet for western imperialist risking a war with same type of people on their east side. Worst leader in history of mankind.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #1163 on:** August 21, 2023, 11:32 »

Quote from: Lizard on August 21, 2023, 11:22

Worst leader in history of mankind.

Yeah... it makes sense, especially when compared with other leaders in history of mankind, like stalin, hitler, pol pot, mao, ceauşescu, milošević, kim jong un, putin...

Zero Talent · « **Reply #1164 on:** August 21, 2023, 11:44 »

Quote from: Lizard on August 21, 2023, 11:16

This has to go viral.

Yes indeed.
The post had been viewed > 127,000 times, suggesting that around half of viewers responded with the laughing react.

.... plus one laughing react from you.

Lizard · « **Reply #1165 on:** August 21, 2023, 11:47 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on August 21, 2023, 11:44

Quote from: Lizard on August 21, 2023, 11:16
This has to go viral.

Yes indeed.
The post had been viewed > 127,000 times, suggesting that around half of viewers responded with the laughing react.

.... plus one laughing react from you.

That one was for posts above and you know it

Lizard · « **Reply #1166 on:** August 21, 2023, 11:49 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on August 21, 2023, 11:32

Quote from: Lizard on August 21, 2023, 11:22
Worst leader in history of mankind.

Yeah... it makes sense, especially when compared with other leaders in history of mankind, like stalin, hitler, pol pot, mao, ceauşescu, milošević, kim jong un, putin...

Same league. Only their goals were criminal benefits for their own countries and he sold his own people for benefits of someone else. That makes him worst

Zero Talent · « **Reply #1167 on:** August 21, 2023, 12:00 »

Quote from: Lizard on August 21, 2023, 11:49

Quote from: Zero Talent on August 21, 2023, 11:32
Quote from: Lizard on August 21, 2023, 11:22
Worst leader in history of mankind.

Yeah... it makes sense, especially when compared with other leaders in history of mankind, like stalin, hitler, pol pot, mao, ceauşescu, milošević, kim jong un, putin...

Same league. Only their goals were criminal benefits for their own countries and he sold his own people for benefits of someone else. That makes him worst

Yeah, yeah, yeah... it makes perfect sense!
He should rather sell his people to putin, indeed!
That will make him the best leader in history of mankind.
I know, I know.

Just_to_inform_people2 · « **Reply #1168 on:** August 21, 2023, 12:47 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on August 21, 2023, 10:29

Quote from: trabuco on August 21, 2023, 05:05
It's stupid.

Ukraine doesn't know how to use or repare them. Are not toys, hard to handle.

No. It's not. Not at all. It's the right thing to do.

A dedicated training center for Ukrainian pilots is being set up, as we speak, at the Borcea airforce base in Romania.

This type of training takes time. The F16s and the pilots will only be ready to defend Ukraine from the imperialist russian invasion from 2024 onwards.

By all accounts this is late, but better late than never.

Ukrainian F-16 pilots will be trained by the private company Draken International.

The company published a recruitment ad stating that the military instructors would work at the Borcea/Feteşti military base in Romania.

The company is also recruiting other categories of personnel for the pilot training center, including technicians, electricians, and other avionics specialists. Applicants must have at least five years of experience operating F-16 aircraft. Hired people will stay in Romania for three to 19 months.

Initially, training will consist of testing and selection of Ukrainian personnel, language lessons, and later theoretical and practical training will be conducted. The program aims for Ukrainian pilots to acquire basic skills in operating and maintaining F-16 aircraft

And you think giving Ukraine F16's will not escalate . out if it? Thank god that Denmark and Holland will take their time to do so. And hopefully peace negotations will already be on it's way before the actual delivery. Which is also the only sensible thing to do then to continue this war with it's losses it causes on both sides. Both are wrong. Coming to an agreement is really the only way.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #1169 on:** August 21, 2023, 13:19 »

There are a lot of Russian trolls in the topic today.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #1170 on:** August 21, 2023, 13:27 »

Quote from: SVH on August 21, 2023, 12:47

Quote from: Zero Talent on August 21, 2023, 10:29
Quote from: trabuco on August 21, 2023, 05:05
It's stupid.

Ukraine doesn't know how to use or repare them. Are not toys, hard to handle.

No. It's not. Not at all. It's the right thing to do.

A dedicated training center for Ukrainian pilots is being set up, as we speak, at the Borcea airforce base in Romania.

This type of training takes time. The F16s and the pilots will only be ready to defend Ukraine from the imperialist russian invasion from 2024 onwards.

By all accounts this is late, but better late than never.

Ukrainian F-16 pilots will be trained by the private company Draken International.

The company published a recruitment ad stating that the military instructors would work at the Borcea/Feteşti military base in Romania.

The company is also recruiting other categories of personnel for the pilot training center, including technicians, electricians, and other avionics specialists. Applicants must have at least five years of experience operating F-16 aircraft. Hired people will stay in Romania for three to 19 months.

Initially, training will consist of testing and selection of Ukrainian personnel, language lessons, and later theoretical and practical training will be conducted. The program aims for Ukrainian pilots to acquire basic skills in operating and maintaining F-16 aircraft

And you think giving Ukraine F16's will not escalate . out if it? Thank god that Denmark and Holland will take their time to do so. And hopefully peace negotations will already be on it's way before the actual delivery. Which is also the only sensible thing to do then to continue this war with it's losses it causes on both sides. Both are wrong. Coming to an agreement is really the only way.

Peace is straightforward: total russia withdrawal within its internationaly recognized borders.
Then compensations for the all the war crimes (for Sophia, above, inclusive) and destruction.This is what should be negotiated.

Peace only depends on putin's ego. It's 100% within his power to make peace.

And btw, an early NATO enforced no-fly zone above Ukraine would have prevented all this russian abomination from happening.

But Neville Chamberlain type of appeasers like Obama, Macron (and Schulz up to a certain point) had to learn the hard way that you can't appease the likes of putin. This type is only seeing goodwill as weakness and become even more emboldened, with their imperialistic ambitions.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #1171 on:** August 21, 2023, 13:39 »

The transfer of F16 to Ukraine is accompanied by the howl of Russian trolls, a common occurrence. They are now howling on all forums, channels and in all social networks.
However, slowly but surely, a coalition is being formed to transfer F16 to Ukraine. Today Zelenskyy agreed on 42 F16, but I think in the end Ukraine will receive 100-200 F16 fighters.

Lizard · « **Reply #1172 on:** August 21, 2023, 13:51 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on August 21, 2023, 12:00

Yeah, yeah, yeah... it makes perfect sense!
He should rather sell his people to putin, indeed!
That will make him the best leader in history of mankind.
I know, I know.

He should have just pretended he is Switzerland and stopped acting as a imperialists puppet. Now he destroyed all of his country and pulled his own people to misery for decades to come and the west showed him the middle finger to avoid any direct conflict with Russia.

He also lost nice part of the territory for good and there are way more chances he will loose more than to regain anything lost.

Now he even started to get signal that he should accept the territory loss directly from his NATO friends.

Everything else is fairy-tale which is melting day by day even in the words of western media and politicians which were pretending to support him most.

Just_to_inform_people2 · « **Reply #1173 on:** August 21, 2023, 14:08 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on August 21, 2023, 13:27

Quote from: SVH on August 21, 2023, 12:47
Quote from: Zero Talent on August 21, 2023, 10:29
Quote from: trabuco on August 21, 2023, 05:05
It's stupid.

Ukraine doesn't know how to use or repare them. Are not toys, hard to handle.

No. It's not. Not at all. It's the right thing to do.

A dedicated training center for Ukrainian pilots is being set up, as we speak, at the Borcea airforce base in Romania.

This type of training takes time. The F16s and the pilots will only be ready to defend Ukraine from the imperialist russian invasion from 2024 onwards.

By all accounts this is late, but better late than never.

Ukrainian F-16 pilots will be trained by the private company Draken International.

The company published a recruitment ad stating that the military instructors would work at the Borcea/Feteşti military base in Romania.

The company is also recruiting other categories of personnel for the pilot training center, including technicians, electricians, and other avionics specialists. Applicants must have at least five years of experience operating F-16 aircraft. Hired people will stay in Romania for three to 19 months.

Initially, training will consist of testing and selection of Ukrainian personnel, language lessons, and later theoretical and practical training will be conducted. The program aims for Ukrainian pilots to acquire basic skills in operating and maintaining F-16 aircraft

And you think giving Ukraine F16's will not escalate . out if it? Thank god that Denmark and Holland will take their time to do so. And hopefully peace negotations will already be on it's way before the actual delivery. Which is also the only sensible thing to do then to continue this war with it's losses it causes on both sides. Both are wrong. Coming to an agreement is really the only way.

Peace is straightforward: total russia withdrawal within its internationaly recognized borders.
Then compensations for the all the war crimes (for Sophia, above, inclusive) and destruction.This is what should be negotiated.

Peace only depends on putin's ego. It's 100% within his power to make peace.

And btw, an early NATO enforced no-fly zone above Ukraine would have prevented all this russian abomination from happening.

But Neville Chamberlain type of appeasers like Obama, Macron (and Schulz up to a certain point) had to learn the hard way that you can't appease the likes of putin. This type is only seeing goodwill as weakness and become even more emboldened, with their imperialistic ambitions.

There is no similarity in Hitler vs Putin (except for their egos maybe). There is no similarity between this war and WWII.

You still seem to forget. There is not one people in Ukraine, never was. There was a coup by one party and there was a civil war between two different thinking groups of people in one country. You want to give it all to one party (which you favour) and you are not considering at all the will of the other group.
It would be better if both groups got what they want and that is sovereignty. Where exactly to draw the line is something to negotiate on the peace table. We did it in Yougoslavia. Different people, all have their own country now. Same should apply here.
Every war ends with talks. No war has ever ended with everybody dead on one side. It's not appeasement, it is common sense and the logical thing to do.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #1174 on:** August 21, 2023, 14:09 »

Quote from: Lizard on August 21, 2023, 13:51

Quote from: Zero Talent on August 21, 2023, 12:00

Yeah, yeah, yeah... it makes perfect sense!
He should rather sell his people to putin, indeed!
That will make him the best leader in history of mankind.
I know, I know.

He should have just pretended he is Switzerland

"Pretended" is a key word here.
putin is evil, but not stupid.
Don't you think he would see through, when someone is "pretending"?

Even if non-pretending, real Switzerland would border russia, putin would engulf it without blinking and/or install a puppet regime. And all this in spite of its neutrality.
We have seen this scenario already happening, under our eyes, in Moldova, which has its neutrality specified in the constitution. And yet, russia occupies a big chunk of Moldova, and until very recently, putin had his puppets and henchmen controlling the country.

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