Quote from: Lizard on December 05, 2023, 13:25

Quote from: RalfLiebhold on December 05, 2023, 06:30

Today's events are not about the history of the last centuries, but about the events of October 7, 2023.
Here is a good summary of the events. I saw many of the videos mentioned, most of which have since been removed, myself on the weekend in question.

https://twitter.com/SpencerGuard/status/1731761693737308427

I don't agree, its about historical genocide and ethnic cleansing and the Zionist terrorists are not even trying to deny it in front of the world.

We are talking about the people considering themselves higher cast chosen by God and others are here to serve them. Sounds familiar ?

As radical as it gets

Wow, no arguments and a lot of strong words, which you obviously do not understand, in one sentence (Genocide, ethnic cleansing, Zionist terrorists) - but not a word about the events on October 7.
Not a word about the fact that Hamas not only wants to wipe out the state of Israel, but all Jews worldwide. This is announced genocide before all eyes.

If the more than 1000 Hamas fighters had attacked military facilities in Israel, then that would still be somehow explainable in the overall conflict. However, the barbaric acts of October 7 are not.

When I started in this thread, I claimed that you can't lump all Russians together.

In the meantime, I hope that all travel restrictions for Europe will remain in place for the next few decades. But North Korea is said to have cool surf locations and Iran is very attractive in summer if you wrap your wife up well from top to bottom.

No arguments ?

Zionism has been declared by racist organization by the UN. So we are talking terrorists against terrorist at least.

So you claim that 5000 kids under age of 11 fought for Hamas ?

I'm Croatian, I surf at home  ,

I personally fought Russian puppets and Serbs while your Germany and friends  imposed a weapon buying embargo on us so that they can slaughter us. And that includes Ukraine where candles were being lighten in churches to support victory of their orthodox brothers and celebrating falling of our cities in the hands of pro Russian terrorists armed to the teeth.

Dude, as you are from Germany, I can totally understand your point of view as you are generally standing in majority
on the wrong side of the history and chewing propaganda pretty much all the time so its an honor to stand on the other side. 

As I come from a nation that don't have to feel any moral responsibility to support the ones that become same animals as the ones that were hunting them before and started doing the same thing that was done to them by YOUR ancestors just wrapped in cellophane. And we liberated ourselfs from your kind and from the ones that followed you, and helped Jewish people at the time they deserved help and they fought on our side against you.   

 

Hamas not only wants to wipe out the state of Israel, but all Jews worldwide. This is announced genocide before all eyes.

Blatant lie or deep need of schooling. There are more than a million orthodox Jews just in occupied Palestine and millions both orthodox and non orthodox in the world who support Free Palestine and hate Zionism and openly admit the crimes of Israel. The only fear they have is from their own army and police.

Palestinians just hate oppressors and occupiers, like all the people hate anyone who comes to chase them from their land, steal it and puts them in modern concentration camps denying them food, water, electricity, education, right to travel and more. Jew were welcomed by Palestinians at first before they revealed the plans to take the land. Many normal ones are in good neighboring relationship even today. Its the Zionists that are the problem and Zionists need Hamas or anything similar as an excuse to attack and clean the Palestine from everything that walks. Half of the people that were killed were children. HALF.

As I said, we live at times you can not hide the truth:

Zionist Police is beating up peaceful orthodox Jews for supporting Palestine, same as SS was taking it on Germans that were protecting Jews.

Amnesty international said that, UN said that, Doctors Without Borders , every single relevant human rights movement...they all state genocide and ethical cleaning is being performed and that Israel is using basic needs water and food as weapons against humanity.

With nearly 50% death victims being just children its an unseen crime in modern history beating up even the order of the guy with little mustaches.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/667Kf1rUfmY
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/H9kImlnhyFI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9QaYCDAHT8

Here is your argument, in color, now feel free to go and explain to purest Orthodox Jews that they are Anti-Semitists 


 

Quote from: RalfLiebhold on December 05, 2023, 13:52

Hamas not only wants to wipe out the state of Israel, but all Jews worldwide. This is announced genocide before all eyes.

Blatant lie or deep need of schooling.

You could have simply written that you disagree.

Here are 2 excerpts from the HAMAS Charta:

Preambel: "Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it."

Articel 13: "[Peace]  initiatives,  and  so-called  peaceful solutions and international conferences are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement... Those conferences are no more than a means to appoint the  infidels  as  arbitrators in the  lands of Islam... There is no solution for the Palestinian problem except by Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are but a waste of time, an exercise in futility."

Doesn't exactly sound like a declaration of love or a peaceful two-state solution.

I admit that it is disputed among experts whether the charta is merely anti-Zionist or anti-Semitic.

I hadn't previously realised that Croatians hated Germany so much.
Some of your remarks, including your choice of words, are really low class.

If khuylo came to the UAE, it means the Arabs, together with the Russians, are preparing some kind of price diversion for oil.

Germany! Don�t stop at just shells, your TAURUS missiles can help Ukraine 100% eliminate the Russian Crimean bridge.

Quote from: RalfLiebhold on December 06, 2023, 03:00

I hadn't previously realised that Croatians hated Germany so much.
Some of your remarks, including your choice of words, are really low class.

And your racial remarks on wrapping wives is a pure example of class right ?

That was an allusion to completely veiled women in Iran - perhaps it didn't quite come across.

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Fell free to support it, but f..k off from my right to speak the truth. 50% of people they killed were children and that's a genocidal plan.

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The truth is one of those things. Can you provide sources for your statement? I mean, apart from TikTok screen shots.

One of many reviews of TikTok: "The biggest antisemitic movement since the *"

Israel said to set up pumps in Gaza for flooding Hamas tunnels with seawater

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-said-to-set-up-pumps-in-gaza-for-flooding-hamas-tunnels-with-seawater/

 

Sure, you want genocide statements from UN sources, WHO, Doctors without Borders, Amnesty International or any other human right association claiming Israel is committing a genocide and aiming children ?

 

The situation is already catastrophic enough, so why is it necessary to spread false reports?
If it's your opinion that genocide is being committed here, then so be it.
However, I know of no official statement from the WHO or Doctors Without Borders as organization accusing Israel of genocide or the targeted killing of children.
The fact that war crimes are possibly being committed here  or the reference to a humanitarian disaster is something else, but not genocide.

We all remember how the terrorists screamed about the destroyed hospital, but in fact it turned out that the hospital was not destroyed, the rocket did not hit the building but the road, and the rocket was fired by the terrorists themselves.

I don't want to play down the suffering of the civilian population in general.

But this alleged hospital shelling was a prime example of HAMAS propaganda.

Nightly real video of a hospital from which fire and smoke seem to be rising. HAMAS: Israel shelled the hospital, at least 500 - 600 dead, mostly children. The usual pictures of fathers carrying their dead and injured children. Testimonies in front of piles of corpses.  To be on the safe side, a heartbreakingly long interview with an alleged doctor who had to climb over heaps of dead children on the children's ward to save 2 children at the risk of his life.

The next day in daylight you see a completely intact hospital, only a few cars in the central parking lot have crashed and burned due to a misguided missile part.

Quote from: stoker2014 on December 08, 2023, 08:57

We all remember how the terrorists screamed about the destroyed hospital, but in fact it turned out that the hospital was not destroyed, the rocket did not hit the building but the road, and the rocket was fired by the terrorists themselves.

I don't want to play down the suffering of the civilian population in general.

You exactly want to do that

Quote from: Lizard on December 08, 2023, 13:05

Quote from: RalfLiebhold on December 08, 2023, 07:17

Quote from: Lizard on December 07, 2023, 17:29

Sure, you want genocide statements from UN sources, WHO, Doctors without Borders, Amnesty International or any other human right association claiming Israel is committing a genocide and aiming children ?

 

The situation is already catastrophic enough, so why is it necessary to spread false reports?
If it's your opinion that genocide is being committed here, then so be it.
However, I know of no official statement from the WHO or Doctors Without Borders as organization accusing Israel of genocide or the targeted killing of children.
The fact that war crimes are possibly being committed here  or the reference to a humanitarian disaster is something else, but not genocide.

Lats ask the experts...

Raz Segal, the program director of genocide studies at Stockton University, concretely says it is a �textbook case of genocide.� Segal believes that Israeli forces are completing three genocidal acts, including, �killing, causing serious bodily harm, and measures calculated to bring about the destruction of the group.� He points to the mass levels of destruction and total siege of basic necessities�like water, food, fuel, and medical supplies�as evidence.

https://time.com/6334409/is-whats-happening-gaza-genocide-experts/


Lets se what Dr Christos Christou, MSF International president has to say about the situation in Gaza:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSrJKWxj53U

Completely irrelevant. I could now quote other experts who see it differently - but that's a waste of time.

On topic. You simply claimed that several aid organizations you named accuse Israel of genocide as you see it. I caught you bungling and now you're pulling new sources out of your hat as a matter of course.

Well, if you don't want to see what the president of Doctors Without Borders or United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres are saying that's not my problem.

Guterres on Tuesday pleaded for civilians to be protected in the war between Israel and Hamas, voicing concern about "clear violations of international humanitarian law" in the Gaza Strip.

He told the 15-member U.N. Security Council that it was vital to be clear that war has rules, starting with the fundamental principle of respecting and protecting civilians.

"It is important to also recognize the attacks by Hamas did not happen in a vacuum. The Palestinian people have been subjected to 56 years of suffocating occupation," Guterres said.

But as I said, I'm not surprised knowing most of Germans always stand on the wrong side of the history. That's why they have to swallow whats being served from the masters.