Quote from: stoker2014 on December 15, 2023, 04:07

All the world's democratic media are controlled from a common center. I see on this topic how easily Biden was able to fool everyone and make the Republicans guilty.

yeah, yeah.. an international cabal, a pedophile elite is controlling the world! We know that already from QAnon & Co!

It's funny that in some contexts Biden is considered an old senile fool, but in other contexts, he is a mastermind able to fool everybody, except for stoker2014 and maybe a handful of other "smart" people 

Humor is good.
Let's leave it like that. I'm happy with this interpretation.

I sometimes begin to think that Ukraine needs to stop resisting the Russians, and let them through its territory to the EU. Maybe then citizens of the EU countries will begin to understand that Biden is Assh.ole.

Are you aware that Putin supported Trump in the US elections? Did you ever wonder why? You should read a little bit and think about it!

And from my point of view you should read a little bit about democracy - what that is, how it works and so on.

Quote from: stoker2014 on December 13, 2023, 16:05

I sometimes begin to think that Ukraine needs to stop resisting the Russians, and let them through its territory to the EU. Maybe then citizens of the EU countries will begin to understand that Biden is Assh.ole.

Are you aware that Putin supported Trump in the US elections? Did you ever wonder why? You should read a little bit and think about it!

And from my point of view you should read a little bit about democracy - what that is, how it works and so on.

I am not discussing democracy and how it works in this thread. And it works really bad. At this rate, soon all of Europe will be under Russian occupation.
I have already written about putin and Trump before.
1. putin is a KGB agent, and everything he says is untrue. His public support for Trump could have many purposes, but not what everyone thought.
2. I don�t personally like Trump, I don�t campaign for him, and I don�t see the difference between Trump and Biden.

Quote from: RalfLiebhold on December 13, 2023, 12:44

Quote from: trabuco on December 13, 2023, 11:16

All western europeans have better lives than any american. In fact, our perception is that your lives are crap. If you ask a french or an spaniard they will say that the USA is like the 3rd world for them and would never live there. Is not hate or anti-americanism, it's life. We all hate your goverments and companies, not people, americans are nice. But we have cool nations to lose in a war (with all our crap and problems). Maybe you don't.

How did you come to this extraordinary conclusion?
 

He is a useful idiot who listens to Russian propaganda.

Sure.

But I don't live in a third world country. Like you.

The main news in my 98.000 pop. town today.   

Some Xmas lights going to floor. Headlines 

No shootings.
No fentanyl.
No homeless.
No wars.
No houses ruined by the wind, or water or fire or...

Merry Xmas everyone.

Has everyone seen the new movie, Leave the World Behind, recently released on Netflix? Its based on a best-seller book and 2 of its Executive Producers are Michelle and Barack Obama.

I watched it last night because I wanted to know what does Michelle and Barack Obama want us to know?

The answers are pretty much relevant to some of the discussions on this thread.

American apocalyptic psychological thriller.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leave_the_World_Behind_(film)

It is unlikely that this film has anything to do with this topic. Although I personally have not seen this film.

As for Obama, he was a very bad US president who allowed the outbreak of the third world war. Under Obama, Russian terrorists occupied Crimea and the eastern regions of Ukraine. Obama, as US President, should have provided Ukraine with weapons and implemented the Budapest Memorandum. But Obama did none of this. Biden is a follower of Obama.

My interpretation of the messages of the film:
"Make peace, not war. Trust your neighbours. America has a lot of enemies, what would happen if they all ganged up together?"

Well, now it�s clear what Obama has been doing and continues to do. The enemies of the United States have all been united for a long time and the third world war has been going on for 10 years. Wake up!

https://lithuaniatribune.com/arming-ukraine-open-letter-to-joseph-biden-president-of-the-united-states-of-america/

Arming Ukraine: Open letter to Joseph Biden, President of the United States of America

Mr. President,
We would like to thank you for making it possible, with the invaluable support of the Netherlands and Denmark, for the first F-16s to be deployed in Ukraine in the near future. We hope that this heralds the formation of an air force of 200 to 300 aircraft which will allow Ukraine to effectively defend its airspace.

Without indulging in pessimism or defeatism, it seems the enemy Ukraine faces today has learned from its initial military mistakes, revitalised its military-industrial complex and mastered new types of armament. Russia has also been able to find new sources of arms supplies from some of its allies. From this point of view, Iran�s delivery of glide bombs and the likely supply of medium-range missiles are particularly worrying.

We are writing to you as president of the leading country in the Ramstein coalition to ask you to lift the restrictions on the use of weapons supplied by your country, and to call on the coalition member countries to do likewise, so that the Ukrainian army can neutralise military structures and equipment, ammunition and fuel depots, and military production facilities deep inside enemy territory.

Furthermore, the failure of certain European and American companies to comply with the embargo on the supply of military or dual-use technologies to Russia is in our view particularly serious. It requires a very firm response, which could consist of the creation within NATO of a structure modelled on the Coordinating Committee for Multilateral Export Controls (CoCom) of the Cold War. The committee would be responsible for ensuring full compliance with the ban on the export of any sensitive technology to countries representing a real or potential threat to the free world. In addition to Russia, these include the People�s Republic of China, Iran, North Korea and Belarus.

Mr. President, without a much stronger mobilisation than we have seen so far, neither Ukraine, nor all the countries in the coalition, will be able to win this war. Without a shift to a war economy on the part of all Western countries, and the increase in arms procurement that this implies, Moscow�s strategy of buying time and banking on the fatigue of governments and public opinion is likely to pay off. We cannot allow that to happen.

Highest regards,

Signatories

Filippos Andrianos, commodore (ret.), Hellenic Navy, Greece

Vincenzo Camporini, general (ret.), former Chief of Defence, Italy

Vincent Desportes, general (ret.), former director of the Centre for Doctrine and Use of Forces (CDEF), associated professor at Sciences Po, France

Vicente D�az de Villegas y Herrer�a, general (ret.), Spanish Army, security and defence analyst, Spain

Eric S. Edelman, ambassador (ret.), former Undersecretary of Defense for Policy, 2005-2009, USA

Gert-Johannes Hagemann, major general (ret.), German Army, Berlin, Germany

Willy Herteleer, admiral (ret.), ex Belgian Chief of Defence

Ben Hodges, lieutenant general (ret.), former Commander of the US Army in Europe, USA
.....
....
A total of 230 government officials signed the letter.

Well, I�m not writing to Biden in diplomatic language. Biden fuck, where is the aviation?

You better save your faking energy. 

You will be forced to perform "yuge" amounts of faking, when trump and his maga republican cult will cut all support for Ukraine and serve it on a silver platter to putin.

Meanwhile, Ukraine can't fly its already donated F16s, without proper training. A small reminder for you:
"In November 2023, Romania opened a training center for Ukrainian pilots to learn how to fly F-16 fighter jets"

Or, instead of faking your friends, you should focus your faking on putin's servants and useful idiots: trump, maga republicans, Hungary (and Orban, especially), and Austria... 🤮

Quote from: stoker2014 on December 19, 2023, 09:26

Well, I�m not writing to Biden in diplomatic language. Biden fuck, where is the aviation?

You better save your faking energy. 

You will be forced to perform "yuge" amounts of faking, when trump and his maga republican cult will cut all support for Ukraine and serve it on silver platter to putin.

Meanwhile, Ukraine can't fly its already donated F16s, without proper training. A small reminder for you:
"In November 2023, Romania opened a training center for Ukrainian pilots to learn how to fly F-16 fighter jets"

Or, instead of faking your friends, you should focus your faking on putin's servants and useful idiots: trump, maga republicans, Hungary (and Orban, especially), Austria... 🤮

Zero Talent, you are a victim of democrat propaganda! 

Where did I write anything in support of Trump? These are your fantasies.

*insult removed* Biden favorably decided to allow Ukrainians to train for the F16 as early as November 2023. Thank you, at least not in November 2024 or 2025, or never at all. And who stopped Biden from giving such permission back in 2021 or at least in 2022? How much do the Russians pay him?
There is information that there are Ukrainian pilots who, even before 2022, already knew how to fly an F16.
Also, even today, no one knows when this *insult removed* Biden will allow the supply of aviation to Ukraine and in what quantity.

I have a bad attitude towards Trump, I think he is not better than Biden, but I have nothing to blame Trump for. Under Trump, the United States was not as weak, helpless and disgraced as under Democrat Biden. Democrats are a disgrace to the USA!
And we have already spoken many times, the majority of Republicans are in favor of providing the necessary weapons to Ukraine.
Orban, so who keeps Hungary in NATO and the EU? These are your friends and allies. EU countries trade with Russians, and there are no sanctions from the United States for this.
I�m not writing fake news here, but facts.

And it�s complete nonsense when the democratic media say that only Ukrainian pilots should fly the F16. This is crap, lies and propaganda of the Democrats! There is a foreign legion in Ukraine, where any citizen from any country can fight Russian orcs. And in many countries there are pilots who know how to fly an F16 and can carry out combat missions on the territory of Ukraine.
The only problem is that Biden likes Russian Na.zis, and he stubbornly refuses to give Ukraine the required amount of aviation.

Biden's place is in prison. Here's my verdict.

Quote from: stoker2014 on December 19, 2023, 17:05

And we have already spoken many times, the majority of Republicans are in favor of providing the necessary weapons to Ukraine.
Orban, so who keeps Hungary in NATO and the EU?

We have spoken many times, but since your ostrich head is still buried in the sand, you can't see the reality. The times you are nostalgic about are long gone. Today's Republicans have an anti-Ukraine majority. They blocked multiple times Biden's attempt to offer more support to Ukraine, this month inclusive. They are my conationals, but feel free to fak them.

Yes, that Orban.
He is bringing shame to EU and NATO. Hungary should be kicked out of both EU and NATO. Orban blackmailed Bulgaria to facilitate the transport of russian gas, in exchange for not blocking Bulgaria's attempt to join the Schengen treaty.
Orban blocked $50 billion worth of EU funding for Ukraine.
We are only allies on paper. Feel free to fak Orban.

Austria transformed itself in nothing else but a russian oblast in the middle of Europe. They are blocking Romania's bid to join Schengen, as way to keep Ukraine as isolated as possible from EU aid. They are blocking the exploitation of huge natural gas reserves in the Black Sea to avoid competing with russia, and keep Europe as dependent as possible on russian gas. They forced Ukraine to lift its blacklisting of Raiffeisen Bank, an Austrian bank doing big business in russia. Their former ministry of foreign affairs moved to russia and declared herself happy to live there... etc.

Feel free to fak Austria too, instead of faking your friends.

1. You use #whataboutism.
2. The conversation is about Biden and not about the Republicans or Trump.
3. I already wrote about Austria 2 days ago. Everyone already knows that the Hungarians support the Russians.
4. But the biggest threat is your President Biden. He's a *insult removed*.
5. I have already written many times about why you are wrong. I won�t repeat myself, because... You're using #whataboutism tactics.

Biden did a lot of good things for Ukraine's defense, Biden is Ukraine's friend (he is even taking political hits internally, to support a just cause), while the others I mentioned are its obvious enemies.
So, I am clearly not justifying Biden's "bad behavior" by comparing it to the Republicans, to Orban or Austria, because because Biden's behavior is the exact opposite.
What I am trying to tell you is to focus your anger where it should be focused: not on Biden who helped Ukraine war effort with over 100 billion dollars, but on Republicans, trump, Hungary, Austria who are trying to block all further initiatives.

I don't agree with you. And I have already written about this in many posts in this topic.

Focus your anger on them, not on your supporters. At the same time, you can always kindly ask your friends and supporters, for more help. This is perfectly fine.

Biden's behavior is the same as the behavior of Austria, Hungary, Trump's texts and other enemies of Ukraine and democracy. You are a Biden supporter, you listen to what he says and you believe what he says. I don�t listen to what Biden says, I just look at what he has done in 3 years. He has done very little, his policies are not effective. His policies led to the death of several hundred thousand Ukrainians, an environmental disaster and the occupation of Ukraine.
Ukraine has been telling Biden what Ukraine needs for 2 years now. And Biden has been ignoring requests for 2 years.