Author Topic: This should settle some different opinions (Read 136321 times)

Wilm · « **Reply #3475 on:** April 06, 2024, 17:25 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 06, 2024, 07:41

Quote from: Wilm on April 06, 2024, 07:27
Quote from: stoker2014 on April 06, 2024, 04:22
But I can say for sure that these psychological problems are preventing you from answering my simple question that I am asking.

Honestly, the question is just too stupid for me! Wouldn't you feel like a fool if I asked you what year the Russians invaded Ukraine or whether you know who the current Ukrainian president is?

Only a person who does not know history and does not know when the Second World War began can say this.
That’s why I want to hear from you the year the Second World War began.

You see, I knew that your question was a decoy to present your own opinion here.
So I don't know when either the Second or the Third World War started.
But that's not so bad, because in you we have a master who can give us the light of knowledge. Thank you!

zastavkin · « **Reply #3476 on:** April 07, 2024, 01:15 »

Is there a chance that NATO will be dissolved by Trump after his election victory?

trucic · « **Reply #3477 on:** April 07, 2024, 01:59 »

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/14th_Waffen_Grenadier_Division_of_the_SS_(1st_Galician)

trucic · « **Reply #3478 on:** April 07, 2024, 02:01 »

Ukraine faces key battle in Chasiv Yar, a 'door' to Donbas
https://www.rfi.fr/en/international-news/20240406-ukraine-faces-key-battle-in-chasiv-yar-a-door-to-donbas

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3479 on:** April 07, 2024, 02:07 »

Quote from: Wilm on April 06, 2024, 17:25

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 06, 2024, 07:41
Quote from: Wilm on April 06, 2024, 07:27
Quote from: stoker2014 on April 06, 2024, 04:22
But I can say for sure that these psychological problems are preventing you from answering my simple question that I am asking.

Honestly, the question is just too stupid for me! Wouldn't you feel like a fool if I asked you what year the Russians invaded Ukraine or whether you know who the current Ukrainian president is?

Only a person who does not know history and does not know when the Second World War began can say this.
That’s why I want to hear from you the year the Second World War began.

You see, I knew that your question was a decoy to present your own opinion here.
So I don't know when either the Second or the Third World War started.

I wrote a few days ago that you look like a person who doesn’t know history. That's why I asked you one question. But judging by the lack of response from you, you really don’t know history well.
In any case, you now know what knowledge gaps you need to fill.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3480 on:** April 07, 2024, 02:12 »

Quote from: trucic on April 07, 2024, 01:59

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/14th_Waffen_Grenadier_Division_of_the_SS_(1st_Galician)

Yes, some Ukrainians fought for the independence of Ukraine as part of the German troops. But this division was quickly defeated in the first battle. The balance of power was unequal. The USSR then received military assistance from the United States.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3481 on:** April 07, 2024, 03:06 »

Quote from: trucic on April 07, 2024, 02:01

Ukraine faces key battle in Chasiv Yar, a 'door' to Donbas
https://www.rfi.fr/en/international-news/20240406-ukraine-faces-key-battle-in-chasiv-yar-a-door-to-donbas

russia occupies 1/6 of the earth's landmass. 140 million people live on the territory of this empire. But the Russian army of orcs only knows how to fight women and children. Russians can only advance in one direction, and that is Chasiv Yar. Chasiv Yar is the height from which the Ukrainian Armed Forces successfully eliminate Russians every day. If there are no problems with shells, and the Russians crawl under Ukrainian artillery like zombies, then there will be no problems with maintaining this height. Now there are shells, enough to eliminate the Russians in Chasiv Yar.

RalfLiebhold · « **Reply #3482 on:** April 07, 2024, 04:30 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 07, 2024, 02:07

Quote from: Wilm on April 06, 2024, 17:25
Quote from: stoker2014 on April 06, 2024, 07:41
Quote from: Wilm on April 06, 2024, 07:27
Quote from: stoker2014 on April 06, 2024, 04:22
But I can say for sure that these psychological problems are preventing you from answering my simple question that I am asking.

Honestly, the question is just too stupid for me! Wouldn't you feel like a fool if I asked you what year the Russians invaded Ukraine or whether you know who the current Ukrainian president is?

Only a person who does not know history and does not know when the Second World War began can say this.
That’s why I want to hear from you the year the Second World War began.

You see, I knew that your question was a decoy to present your own opinion here.
So I don't know when either the Second or the Third World War started.
I wrote a few days ago that you look like a person who doesn’t know history. That's why I asked you one question. But judging by the lack of response from you, you really don’t know history well.
In any case, you now know what knowledge gaps you need to fill.

All discussions here fail due to your arrogant delusions of grandeur - but above all due to a lack of basic knowledge.

You obviously don't understand the difference between "crisis", "armed conflict" and "war". According to the definition of international law, there is no basis whatsoever to speak of a third world war, in particular the "animus belligerandi" is missing here.

Of course, you can redefine each of these terms for yourself. However, this makes any communication to the outside world impossible, as the last 100 pages here impressively demonstrate.

So it is a fact, without any discussion, that the the Second World War began on September 1, 1939, when Germany, led by Adolf Hitler, invaded Poland. This invasion prompted Britain and France to declare war on Germany on September 3, 1939, marking the beginning of the global conflict.

Signs or Omen of a possible war, which ultimately can only ever be retroactively proven as such, are by definition not a state of war.

Obviously you are to stupid for the question.

trucic · « **Reply #3483 on:** April 07, 2024, 05:34 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 07, 2024, 02:12

Quote from: trucic on April 07, 2024, 01:59
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/14th_Waffen_Grenadier_Division_of_the_SS_(1st_Galician)
Yes, some Ukrainians fought for the independence of Ukraine as part of the German troops. But this division was quickly defeated in the first battle. The balance of power was unequal. The USSR then received military assistance from the United States.

… so those were only independence fighters, ordinary dresses without ideology…?!

you are totally spinning all facts, bit I’m still not sure why…

Zero Talent · « **Reply #3484 on:** April 07, 2024, 07:57 »

Quote from: trucic on April 07, 2024, 05:34

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 07, 2024, 02:12
Quote from: trucic on April 07, 2024, 01:59
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/14th_Waffen_Grenadier_Division_of_the_SS_(1st_Galician)
Yes, some Ukrainians fought for the independence of Ukraine as part of the German troops. But this division was quickly defeated in the first battle. The balance of power was unequal. The USSR then received military assistance from the United States.
… so those were only independence fighters, ordinary dresses without ideology…?! you are totally spinning all facts, bit I’m still not sure why…

This is not uncommon. The entire Romanian army fought against the USSR alongside German troops or under German command. While there were ideological similarities between the German and Romanian leadership, the main reason for the alliance was the necessity to liberate the Romanian lands that the Russian Empire had occupied in 1940 (what are today the independent country of Moldova and parts of today's Ukraine).
Those territories were briefly liberated; the Romanian army even occupied Odessa but suffered a massive defeat at Stalingrad, and those lands were lost again.

Basically, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

trucic · « **Reply #3485 on:** April 07, 2024, 08:39 »

… I do now and understand that, but Bram Stoker have totally twisted reality of ww2… while seeking naz..m in modern times, in his own world SS troops are being liberation armies… there is no place for teisting history facts - SS is SS, whatever someone trying to replace them with… like modern batallions are, with same ‘liberation’ ideology…

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3486 on:** April 07, 2024, 09:41 »

Quote from: RalfLiebhold on April 07, 2024, 04:30

You obviously don't understand the difference between "crisis" and "war".

Oh yes, they like to repeat this phrase in the Europarasite media, calling the war in Ukraine a crisis. Merkel taught this to the EU.

Quote from: RalfLiebhold on April 07, 2024, 04:30

According to the definition of international law, there is no basis whatsoever to speak of a third world war, in particular the "animus belligerandi" is missing here.

Where did you read this nonsense?

Or maybe the doctor has already become a lawyer?

Well, tell historians that the Second World War did not begin in 1939, following your logic.

Quote from: RalfLiebhold on April 07, 2024, 04:30

So it is a fact, without any discussion, that the the Second World War began on September 1, 1939, when Germany, led by Adolf Hitler, invaded Poland. This invasion prompted Britain and France to declare war on Germany on September 3, 1939, marking the beginning of the global conflict.

Bingo! Well, at least one German named the year the Second World War began. For the school level, the answer is correct!
For the higher education institution level, the answer is not correct enough. The Second World War began in 1938 (with the German occupation of part of Czechoslovakia).
But okay, let’s take 1939 as a basis, not everyone here obviously graduated from a higher education institution.
I answer and draw analogies:
1. The Russian occupation of Crimea and several regions of Ukraine is an analogue of Czechoslovakia and Poland.
2. France and Britain were not actively fighting, they were simply trying to hold the line of defense.
3. China, Iran, North Korea and Balarus supply weapons to Russia. Countries of the democratic world supply weapons to Ukraine. Economic sanctions have been introduced. This is all much more serious than even 1939.
The fact that Ukraine does not surrender like Poland in a few days only shows that Ukrainians are warriors and not cowards. This does not change the essence of the fact that the third world war is underway.

Quote from: RalfLiebhold on April 07, 2024, 04:30

Signs or Omen of a possible war, which ultimately can only ever be retroactively proven as such, are by definition not a state of war.
Obviously you are to stupid for the question.

I already realized that the Europarasites will wait many years for historians to finally tell them what it was like in Europe. War or Ukrainian crisis? German media presenting you Russian propaganda

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3487 on:** April 07, 2024, 09:56 »

Quote from: trucic on April 07, 2024, 05:34

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 07, 2024, 02:12
Quote from: trucic on April 07, 2024, 01:59
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/14th_Waffen_Grenadier_Division_of_the_SS_(1st_Galician)
Yes, some Ukrainians fought for the independence of Ukraine as part of the German troops. But this division was quickly defeated in the first battle. The balance of power was unequal. The USSR then received military assistance from the United States.
… so those were only independence fighters, ordinary dresses without ideology…?! you are totally spinning all facts, bit I’m still not sure why…

What do you want to know? And why are you even asking? I answered your question about history. Do you want me to evaluate those people who fought in this division? What is the point of your questions?

There is such a Ukrainian writer, Ivan Bahrianyi. He wrote the novel The Fiery Circle (Neu Ulm, 1953). The novel was published in Germany. I doubt that this novel can be found in different languages and I am not sure whether it was translated into German. The problem is that few people in the world know Ukrainian authors.
From myself I can say that the level of the writer is no weaker than the same Remarque.
So, in this novel, the author described the events that occurred during the battle of the Ukrainians as part of the German division.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3488 on:** April 07, 2024, 10:20 »

A world war is not only military operations, it is also sanctions and the supply of weapons. Will there be military operations on the territory of the EU countries? This will depend on the success of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and on the amount of weapons supplied to Ukraine. If the Russian army is eliminated on the territory of Ukraine, fighting in the EU may not begin. We already see an approaching war between Israel and Iran. China plans to occupy Taiwan. The third world war is already underway.

RalfLiebhold · « **Reply #3489 on:** April 07, 2024, 10:43 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 07, 2024, 09:41

This does not change the essence of the fact that the third world war is underway.

As expected, you didn't understand most of my text.

So far you have claimed that the third world war is already here. But now it's not. Interesting.
Incidentally, the assumption that a third world war could be coming is not a fact. It is only a fact when it actually happens.

Your description of 1938 is wrong.
There was no occupation in the true sense of the word.
In order to avoid war, England and France pursued a policy of appeasement, culminating in the Munich Agreement of September 29, 1938, which sealed the cession of the Sudetenland to Germany. This is precisely why historians do not regard this date as the beginning of the Second World War but the attack on Poland 1939. Because the latter corresponds to the definition of war in international law.

Also interesting that you imagine you know what I do for a living. I don't work in a hospital, I didn't just study medicine and I work as a court expert, among other things. Yes, I can read legal texts.

And leave out the stupid smileys. It just makes your misinterpretations even more ridiculous.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3490 on:** April 07, 2024, 11:31 »

Quote from: RalfLiebhold on April 07, 2024, 10:43

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 07, 2024, 09:41
This does not change the essence of the fact that the third world war is underway.
So far you have claimed that the third world war is already here. But now it's not. Interesting.

Where is here?
I wrote and write that the third world war has been going on since 2014. For the last two years, Germany has been supplying trainloads of weapons to Ukraine.

Quote from: RalfLiebhold on April 07, 2024, 10:43

Incidentally, the assumption that a third world war could be coming is not a fact. It is only a fact when it actually happens.

When a person does not know history, does not understand what is happening in the world and reads only propaganda, this is exactly the conclusion he draws. This is how propaganda works. Propaganda influences illiterate people.

Quote from: RalfLiebhold on April 07, 2024, 10:43

Your description of 1938 is wrong.
There was no occupation in the true sense of the word.
In order to avoid war, England and France pursued a policy of appeasement, culminating in the Munich Agreement of September 29, 1938, which sealed the cession of the Sudetenland to Germany.

Are you a Na.zi?
Of course, no one asked Czechoslovakia’s opinion.
From your posts I see that the level of education of people in Germany is very low, if the Germans do not consider the occupation of Czechoslovakia in 1938 an occupation. This is already a heavy case with you.

Quote from: RalfLiebhold on April 07, 2024, 10:43

This is precisely why historians do not regard this date as the beginning of the Second World War but the attack on Poland 1939. Because the latter corresponds to the definition of war in international law.

It is obvious that you have only read Wikipedia, amateur material.

You started making a lot of references to international law. Support your unsubstantiated claims with links.

Quote from: RalfLiebhold on April 07, 2024, 10:43

Also interesting that you imagine you know what I do for a living. I don't work in a hospital, I didn't just study medicine and I work as a court expert, among other things. Yes, I can read legal texts.

Court expert prescribe drugs to people?
Even if you work as a medical or criminal expert, this does not make you an international lawyer.
This topic discusses more politics and history.

Wilm · « **Reply #3491 on:** April 07, 2024, 11:48 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 07, 2024, 09:41

Quote from: RalfLiebhold on April 07, 2024, 04:30
You obviously don't understand the difference between "crisis" and "war".
Oh yes, they like to repeat this phrase in the Europarasite media, calling the war in Ukraine a crisis. Merkel taught this to the EU.

Quote from: RalfLiebhold on April 07, 2024, 04:30
According to the definition of international law, there is no basis whatsoever to speak of a third world war, in particular the "animus belligerandi" is missing here.
Where did you read this nonsense?
Or maybe the doctor has already become a lawyer?
Well, tell historians that the Second World War did not begin in 1939, following your logic.

Quote from: RalfLiebhold on April 07, 2024, 04:30
So it is a fact, without any discussion, that the the Second World War began on September 1, 1939, when Germany, led by Adolf Hitler, invaded Poland. This invasion prompted Britain and France to declare war on Germany on September 3, 1939, marking the beginning of the global conflict.
Bingo! Well, at least one German named the year the Second World War began. For the school level, the answer is correct!
For the higher education institution level, the answer is not correct enough. The Second World War began in 1938 (with the German occupation of part of Czechoslovakia).
But okay, let’s take 1939 as a basis, not everyone here obviously graduated from a higher education institution.
I answer and draw analogies:
1. The Russian occupation of Crimea and several regions of Ukraine is an analogue of Czechoslovakia and Poland.
2. France and Britain were not actively fighting, they were simply trying to hold the line of defense.
3. China, Iran, North Korea and Balarus supply weapons to Russia. Countries of the democratic world supply weapons to Ukraine. Economic sanctions have been introduced. This is all much more serious than even 1939.
The fact that Ukraine does not surrender like Poland in a few days only shows that Ukrainians are warriors and not cowards. This does not change the essence of the fact that the third world war is underway.

Quote from: RalfLiebhold on April 07, 2024, 04:30
Signs or Omen of a possible war, which ultimately can only ever be retroactively proven as such, are by definition not a state of war.
Obviously you are to stupid for the question.
I already realized that the Europarasites will wait many years for historians to finally tell them what it was like in Europe. War or Ukrainian crisis? German media presenting you Russian propaganda

What you wrote here was to be expected, as I had already written it before. That's why it was too stupid for me to answer your question.

That you know better than all the historians in the world was also to be expected. That you have the arrogance to call others low-level educated and elevate yourself to a higher level of education was also to be expected.

Incidentally, you argue about the Third World War in exactly the same way as the Russian propagandist Vladimir Solovyov.

Yes, we are moving dangerously close to the Third World War. And if you had the power, it would probably have already begun.

However, the fact that we can still communicate with each other here proves that it is not - yet - that far.

And I hope that humanity will be prudent enough to keep it that way. We will soon have another crisis area in Venezuela/Guyana. And there will be more in Africa too. More and more oil is being added to the fire.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3492 on:** April 07, 2024, 12:18 »

Quote from: Wilm on April 07, 2024, 11:48

Incidentally, you argue about the Third World War in exactly the same way as the Russian propagandist Vladimir Solovyov.

I'm not surprised by your sources of information. It is now clear who you are listening to or reading.

Wilm, thanks to this topic you learned when the Second World War began and why.

RalfLiebhold · « **Reply #3493 on:** April 07, 2024, 12:26 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 07, 2024, 11:31

Support your unsubstantiated claims with link

No, but a narcissist is not worth more effort to me.

Wilm · « **Reply #3494 on:** April 07, 2024, 12:57 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 07, 2024, 12:18

Quote from: Wilm on April 07, 2024, 11:48
Incidentally, you argue about the Third World War in exactly the same way as the Russian propagandist Vladimir Solovyov.
I'm not surprised by your sources of information. It is now clear who you are listening to or reading.

The difference between you and me:
Your opinion is congruent with that of the Russian propaganda machine. Mine is not.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3495 on:** April 07, 2024, 13:47 »

Quote from: Wilm on April 07, 2024, 12:57

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 07, 2024, 12:18
Quote from: Wilm on April 07, 2024, 11:48
Incidentally, you argue about the Third World War in exactly the same way as the Russian propagandist Vladimir Solovyov.
I'm not surprised by your sources of information. It is now clear who you are listening to or reading.

The difference between you and me:
Your opinion is congruent with that of the Russian propaganda machine. Mine is not.

Your argument is simply off the charts. Compare me with putin, Hitler, Musolini...
If you do not see the difference between what I write and Russian propaganda, this is entirely your personal problem.

Quote from: RalfLiebhold on April 07, 2024, 12:26

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 07, 2024, 11:31
Support your unsubstantiated claims with link
No, but a narcissist is not worth more effort to me.

Your drain is counted.
When an uncultured person has no arguments, he will start interpersonal insults.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #3496 on:** April 07, 2024, 13:54 »

Former U.S. President Donald Trump has privately said he could end Russia’s war by pressuring Ukraine to cede Crimea and Donbas to Moscow, the Washington Post reported on April 7, citing sources.

https://kyivindependent.com/wp-trump-privately-said-he-could-pressure-ukraine-to-concede-crimea-donbas-to-russia/

This is so obvious for anyone with an IQ>85

Only putin's useful idiots believe that the moron and his maga cult would save Ukraine.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #3497 on:** April 07, 2024, 13:57 »

.... see above.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3498 on:** April 07, 2024, 14:19 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on April 07, 2024, 13:54

Former U.S. President Donald Trump has privately said he could end Russia’s war by pressuring Ukraine to cede Crimea and Donbas to Moscow, the Washington Post reported on April 7, citing sources.

https://kyivindependent.com/wp-trump-privately-said-he-could-pressure-ukraine-to-concede-crimea-donbas-to-russia/

This is so obvious for anyone with an IQ>85

Only putin's useful idiots believe that the moron and his maga cult would save Ukraine.

1. Zero Talent, what is your IQ?

2. The sources of this newspaper are not known, named or trustworthy.
3. This all looks like propaganda from the Democrats and Russians against Trump.
4. The Russians annexed part of the Zaporizhzhia and Kherson regions. They won't want to leave there voluntarily. These are the facts.
5. Trump, as a non-official, can say whatever he wants as long as he does not violate US criminal law.
6. Trump before the presidency and Trump as president will be completely different people. The position obliges him, and the information he will receive from the CIA.
7. Trump does not solve such issues. There must be congressional support in the US.
8. Ukraine will not agree to such proposals.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3499 on:** April 07, 2024, 14:20 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on April 07, 2024, 13:57

.... see above.

Why are you creating uninformative messages?

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