Author Topic: This should settle some different opinions (Read 134834 times)

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3750 on:** April 18, 2024, 09:13 »

Zero Talent, are you reading the posts of this Russian troll under the nickname "trucic"? Read the articles he links to. The entire “democratic” US press constantly writes articles ordered by putin. This is the policy of the US Democrats, this is the policy of Biden!

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3751 on:** April 18, 2024, 09:15 »

Quote from: trucic on April 18, 2024, 09:07

161 Ukrainian children abducted by Russia found in Germany
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/04/17/7451586/index.amp

And why am I not surprised? I have already written that the Germans are trying to steal Ukrainian children and adopt them into their families. I often see information about this.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3752 on:** April 18, 2024, 09:24 »

Quote from: trucic on April 02, 2024, 09:34

❗️People are leaving Kharkov en masse!
https://twitter.com/Wagnersfamily/status/1774911105896247434?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Probably because Russian orcs are shooting at hotels where Ukrainian Armed Forces soldiers live? Is that what your sources in Russian propaganda tell you?

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3753 on:** April 18, 2024, 09:26 »

Russians hit Kharkiv city centre, four strikes leave civilians wounded

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/04/7/7450104/

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3754 on:** April 18, 2024, 09:31 »

Thanks to the US Republican Party, long-range ATACMS missiles were included in military assistance to Ukraine. This is already interesting. Such a bill needs to be passed; it will greatly reduce Biden’s rating. As I already wrote, Biden will most likely refuse to transfer these missiles to Ukraine. He will refuse because he is waiting for Putin’s support in the US elections.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #3755 on:** April 18, 2024, 09:43 »

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Quote from: Zero Talent on April 18, 2024, 07:10
In her defense, she used articles written by putin's useful idiots.
+100
It is the Russians who dictate what should be written in the press controlled by US Democrats.

1. I never said that Ukrainians are Na.zis.
2. Marjorie Taylor Greene has proven that the US Democrats are in a position with their pants down and she has proven that the Democratic-controlled press is publishing Russian propaganda.

You comprehension skills are way below average. So let's try one more time:

A Democratic representative accused her of claiming that Ukrainians are na*zis.
She defended her statement (that Ukrainians are na*zi) by using articles written by putin's useful idiots.
Now you are defending her and her statement in which she claimed that Ukrainians are n*zis.

You didn't say that Ukrainians are na*zis, but you defend those who say it, when they say it.

That's even worse than what putin's useful idiots do. At least they have an appearance of logic, but this is plain stupidity.
Trolls from the US Democratic Party are trying to pass off the opinion of one member of the Republican Party as the opinion of Trump and the entire Republican Party.

1. She read articles that were published in the "democratic" press. These articles did not say that they were written by Russian idiots.
2. Of course, I defend her, because her opinion is formed by articles that are published in the “democratic” press controlled by US Democrats. And this opinion is formed not only among her, but also among many other US citizens. US Democrats are Putin's friends.

putin's useful idiots are not only found in this forum and in virtually the whole maga movement (e.g. the fool you are defending). Falling for putin's propagands is not an attribute only specific to you or maga fools.

But defending a maga fool who strongly believes that Ukrainians are na*zis and siding against a representative who called her out (defending Ukraine) is plain stupidity.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #3756 on:** April 18, 2024, 09:54 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 18, 2024, 09:31

Thanks to the US Republican Party, long-range ATACMS missiles were included in military assistance to Ukraine. This is already interesting. Such a bill needs to be passed; it will greatly reduce Biden’s rating. As I already wrote, Biden will most likely refuse to transfer these missiles to Ukraine. He will refuse because he is waiting for Putin’s support in the US elections.

Yes, finally some good news.

I can already predict that a vast majority (maybe even an unanimity) of Democrats will vote in favor of that long-overdue and delayed (by the GoP) bill, while, very likely, the isolationist maga majority within the GOP will vote against it, including your new hero, MTG who, with your moronic approval, calls Ukrainians na*zis.

The Speaker of the House even said that he is finally ready to push this bill forward, despite the personal risks he is exposing himself to: the risk of being impeached by the maga majority spearheaded by your darling MTG, who openly called for his removal from the speakership (exactly because of his willingness to support Ukraine, see the recent screenshot below).
Check the end of his statement:

https://x.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1780762935272296717

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3757 on:** April 18, 2024, 11:21 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on April 18, 2024, 09:54

I can already predict that a vast majority (maybe even an unanimity) of Democrats will vote in favor of that long-overdue and delayed (by the GoP) bill

But I'm not sure about that. You still haven’t understood the mine that the Republicans have laid in this bill to target the Democrats.
Long-range ATACMS missiles are what the democrats (friends of the Russians) do not want to give to Ukraine. The Democrats have an agreement with putin.
Well, let's see how many Democrats vote this time.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3758 on:** April 18, 2024, 11:24 »

I've said everything about Marjorie Taylor Greene. My opinion has not changed.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #3759 on:** April 18, 2024, 11:40 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 18, 2024, 11:21

Quote from: Zero Talent on April 18, 2024, 09:54
I can already predict that a vast majority (maybe even an unanimity) of Democrats will vote in favor of that long-overdue and delayed (by the GoP) bill
But I'm not sure about that. You still haven’t understood the mine that the Republicans have laid in this bill to target the Democrats.
Long-range ATACMS missiles are what the democrats (friends of the Russians) do not want to give to Ukraine. The Democrats have an agreement with putin.
Well, let's see how many Democrats vote this time.

Suuuure! The illuminati strikes again...

FYI, I am absolutely certain that MTG and your other maga darlings who believe Ukrainians are na*zis will vote against the pro-Ukraine bill.

Surely, they must have another secret plan that even you, in your infinite wisdom, missed: they plan to protect the Democrats from falling into that trap of yours. They call Ukrainians n*zis, but that's also a trap. They also want to prevent the old-school Republicans from falling into that trap together with the Democrats.

Don't you see how ridiculous your are? The world is upside down in your head, my friend!

Let's hope that besides a Democrat unanimity, enough old-school Republicans will vote in favor of the bill, so Ukraine gets what it desperately needs to defend itself and maybe even to counterattack.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3760 on:** April 18, 2024, 12:15 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on April 18, 2024, 11:40

Don't you see how ridiculous your are?

1. Before the actual voting, I see only your fantasies.
2. It was only thanks to the Republican Party that long-range ATACMS missiles were added to this bill. Without these missiles, the US Democratic bill was a steal of money from US taxpayers and a gift for putin and all Russians.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #3761 on:** April 18, 2024, 12:21 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 18, 2024, 12:15

Quote from: Zero Talent on April 18, 2024, 11:40
Don't you see how ridiculous your are?
1. Before the actual voting, I see only your fantasies.
2. It was only thanks to the Republican Party that ATACMS missiles were added to this bill. Without these missiles, the US Democratic bill was a steal of money from US taxpayers and a gift for putin and all Russians.

Are you ready to bet that MTG and your maga darlings who call Ukrainains na*zis will vote against the pro-Ukraine bill?
Are you ready to bet that a vast majority of Democrats will vote in favor of it?

I don't usually bet, but these things are as obvious as the daily sunrise.

FYI, As predicted, MTG, whom you defended for calling Ukrainians n*zis, just filed a motion to vacate Mike Johnson for pushing the pro-Ukraine bill.
In her head, Mike Johnson is now a Democrat speaker and Ukrainians are na*zis.
Defend her, now!

This is maga. How many more proofs do you still need?

https://x.com/RepMTG/status/1780985369250419139

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3762 on:** April 18, 2024, 12:45 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on April 18, 2024, 12:21

Are you ready to bet that MTG and your maga darlings who call Ukrainains na*zis will vote against the pro-Ukraine bill?

The press controlled by US Democrats called Ukrainians Na.zis. The Republican member simply repeated what was written in this press.

I'm not interested in all these disputes. I think this is childish. I also have little interest in relations within the Republican Party. The Republican Party is a democratic party, there can be different opinions and each member of the party plays a specific role. I need results, so I'll wait until Saturday.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #3763 on:** April 18, 2024, 13:13 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 18, 2024, 12:45

Quote from: Zero Talent on April 18, 2024, 12:21
Are you ready to bet that MTG and your maga darlings who call Ukrainains na*zis will vote against the pro-Ukraine bill?
The press controlled by US Democrats called Ukrainians Na.zis. The Republican member simply repeated what was written in this press.

No. She didn't simply repeat it. She believes it, and she used articles written by putin's useful idiots to prove that she is right. This is why she is so vocal against the pro-Ukraine bill. This is why now she is calling Mike Johnson a Democrat. A Democrat called her out when she said Ukrainians are na*zis, she doubled down, and you defended her.

My God, how gullible and naïve can you be?

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 18, 2024, 12:45

I'm not interested in all these disputes. I think this is childish. I also have little interest in relations within the Republican Party. The Republican Party is a democratic party, there can be different opinions and each member of the party plays a specific role. I need results, so I'll wait until Saturday.

Yep, I didn't think so.
I never expected that you would put your honor where your mouth is.

Now you are no longer interested in this "dispute" when the facts are so overwhelmingly against you, when your gullible pro-maga beliefs are shattered live, in front of your eyes...

Wilm · « **Reply #3764 on:** April 18, 2024, 14:08 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on April 18, 2024, 12:21

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 18, 2024, 12:15
Quote from: Zero Talent on April 18, 2024, 11:40
Don't you see how ridiculous your are?
1. Before the actual voting, I see only your fantasies.
2. It was only thanks to the Republican Party that ATACMS missiles were added to this bill. Without these missiles, the US Democratic bill was a steal of money from US taxpayers and a gift for putin and all Russians.

Are you ready to bet that MTG and your maga darlings who call Ukrainains na*zis will vote against the pro-Ukraine bill?
Are you ready to bet that a vast majority of Democrats will vote in favor of it?

I don't usually bet, but these things are as obvious as the daily sunrise.

FYI, As predicted, MTG, whom you defended for calling Ukrainians n*zis, just filed a motion to vacate Mike Johnson for pushing the pro-Ukraine bill.
In her head, Mike Johnson is now a Democrat speaker and Ukrainians are na*zis.
Defend her, now!

This is maga. How many more proofs do you still need?

https://x.com/RepMTG/status/1780985369250419139

Proofs don't help him at all. He is a conspiracy theorist. There's no way to beat the "logic" of these people!

But I'll bet with you in any case. The Republicans will vote against it - that much is absolutely certain. Because they follow the propaganda and the credo of the Trump camp. And that means: America first. Securing its own borders has absolute priority over any help for Ukraine.

So this will not get through and the urgently needed aid for Ukraine will not materialize. Then our conspiracy theorist will come up with something new - presumably that Democratic propaganda is to blame for the Democrats not getting their way on the aid package. Or something like that - it would fit in with his completely muddled thinking.

If Trump wins the election in October - and unfortunately I am almost certain of that - and Ukraine is then handed over to the Russians by Trump in wrapping paper, the Democrats will again be to blame - that is also absolutely certain with such a skewed world view of our conspiracy theorist.

The border security that Republicans consider so important at least has the advantage that stocker2014 cannot accuse Republicans of wanting to solve their own demographic problems with migrants from Latin America.

However, border security is of course just a pretext for "What do we care about Ukraine? It's far away and not our problem. We have much more important problems - America first."

Meanwhile, a delegation of parasites has arrived in Kiev to help rebuild the energy infrastructure destroyed by the Russians.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #3765 on:** April 18, 2024, 14:27 »

Wilm, I still hope that, even if they are a minority inside the GOP now, there are still enough old-school Republicans left in Congress so that together with an almost unanimous pro-Ukraine vote from the Democrats, the bill will pass.

maga and trump are indeed an existential threat for Ukraine.

Another example (see below): JD Vance, another maga representative, the same who wrote that Op-Ed in the NY Times justifying how Ukraine should give putin what he wants in exchange for an illusory peace (mentioned a few pages ago), is against the REPO Act meant to seize russian assets and give them to Ukraine, being concerned that it will remove trump's ability to negotiate with putin!
JD Vance is instead trying to convince his colleagues to protect putin's billions.

And stoker still needs proofs...

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3766 on:** April 18, 2024, 15:47 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on April 18, 2024, 13:13

Now you are no longer interested in this "dispute" when the facts are so overwhelmingly against you, when your gullible pro-maga beliefs are shattered live, in front of your eyes...

Whoa! What a syllable! What an epatage! What an expression!
Yes, dear, you need to write novels, not discuss politics on forums.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3767 on:** April 18, 2024, 15:51 »

Quote from: Wilm on April 18, 2024, 14:08

Meanwhile, a delegation of parasites has arrived in ~~Kiev~~ Kyiv to help rebuild the energy infrastructure destroyed by the Russians.

Let's see how these rallies and events end.

Kyiv is correctly written like this.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3768 on:** April 18, 2024, 16:03 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on April 18, 2024, 14:27

Wilm, I still hope that, even if they are a minority inside the GOP now, there are still enough old-school Republicans left in Congress so that together with an almost unanimous pro-Ukraine vote from the Democrats, the bill will pass.

maga and trump are indeed an existential threat for Ukraine.

Another example (see below): JD Vance, another maga representative, the same who wrote that Op-Ed in the NY Times justifying how Ukraine should give putin what he wants in exchange for an illusory peace (mentioned a few pages ago), is against the REPO Act meant to seize russian assets and give them to Ukraine, being concerned that it will remove trump's ability to negotiate with putin!
JD Vance is instead trying to convince his colleagues to protect putin's billions.

And stoker still needs proofs...

You don’t understand well what you write and what you criticize. These are such big matters that there is no point in discussing them in this way.
For example, the EU froze $500 billion of Russian money, but the EU does not want to give this money to Ukraine. Because they are Europarasites.
Russian money in the USA? Do you really think that Russian idiots keep their money in the USA, given that the third world war has been going on for 10 years? How naive.
Yes, some members of the Republican Party want to show off and are engaged in populism. But only Democratic trolls can inflate all this nonsense to the level of a worldwide Republican conspiracy against Ukraine. You are funny.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #3769 on:** April 18, 2024, 16:14 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 18, 2024, 16:03

Russian money in the USA? Do you really think that Russian idiots keep their money in the USA, given that the third world war has been going on for 10 years? How naive.

The REPO Act is about confiscating russian assets worldwide, not just in the US, and about preventing the US president to lift the existing sanctions against russia without Congress approval (something that maga is expecting trump to do). Do your homework: https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/4175

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 18, 2024, 16:03

Yes, some members of the Republican Party want to show off and are engaged in populism. But only Democratic trolls can inflate all this nonsense to the level of a worldwide Republican conspiracy against Ukraine. You are funny.

Yes, you slowly begin to realize the inconvenient truth: a majority of the GOP is now against Ukraine. trump's isolationist and populist maga is now controlling the GOP.
Here is what other "GoP" representatives or senators have to say:

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3770 on:** April 19, 2024, 03:24 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on April 18, 2024, 16:14

The REPO Act is about confiscating russian assets worldwide, not just in the US, and about preventing the US president to lift the existing sanctions against russia without Congress approval (something that maga is expecting trump to do). Do your homework: https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/4175

1. I have already read this.
2. There is no mention of the lifting of sanctions.
3. Until today, there were no such laws in the United States? Weren't Russian assets confiscated? What did Biden do as president for 3 years?
4. This law is crap, it doesn’t solve the problem called “russia”. To solve this problem, what is needed is not sanctions, but an embargo on any trade with russia and a ban on all countries to trade with it.
5. US companies continue to buy hydrocarbons from russia through the Russian port in the city of Novorossiysk. US Democrats prohibit Ukraine from attacking this oil terminal.
Biden - fuck you!

Quote from: Zero Talent on April 18, 2024, 16:14

Yes, you slowly begin to realize the inconvenient truth: a majority of the GOP is now against Ukraine. trump's isolationist and populist maga is now controlling the GOP.
Here is what other "GoP" representatives or senators have to say:

You write lies and propaganda from Democrats. That's what Democratic trolls do.
Your "evidence" is not evidence. You are copying some gossip and snippets of phrases here. This is exactly the crap that Russian propaganda does.
How many Republicans are against the bill to help Ukraine will only be seen after voting on Saturday. But this won’t say anything either. Some Republicans are concerned not with Ukraine, but with other issues. Protecting the US borders is an issue of the same importance as assistance to Ukraine. The lousy Democrats have endangered the security of the United States with their cretin policies. Hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants and terrorists illegally enter the United States. Biden should be put in the electric chair! The Democratic Party needs to be banned!

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3771 on:** April 19, 2024, 03:30 »

Russian missile attack: 2 dead in Dnipro, 6 in Synelnykove, including 2 children – photo

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/04/19/7451928/

Another Russian crime. Russians can only fight women and children.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3772 on:** April 19, 2024, 03:33 »

Israel launches missile attack on facilities in Iran

This is the result of the cowardly and weak policies of Biden and the US Democrats. The Democrats' lifting of sanctions on Iran led to the hot stage of World War III in the Middle East.

Biden - fuck you!

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3773 on:** April 19, 2024, 03:51 »

+100

Europarasite - where are the weapons? Scholz - where are the Taurus missiles?
Stop stealing from Ukraine its people.

trucic · « **Reply #3774 on:** April 19, 2024, 04:51 »

… and again, you have missed a point…
Donald Trump moans: ‘Why isn’t Europe giving more money to help Ukraine?’
https://www.politico.eu/article/donald-trump-moan-why-europe-not-give-more-money-help-ukraine/

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