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« Reply #50 on: May 05, 2012, 14:42 »
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Bangkok for first choice


antistock

« Reply #51 on: May 05, 2012, 14:44 »
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trouble is, these 3-world countries are overrated, photography wise, that is, exept maybe Thailand and Malaysia. I have travelled around Africa, etc and the guidance is sometimes non existant, accomodation is sometimes terrible and there is no security what so ever. It looks very nice on postcards but once you get there its a differant story,  believe me.

If you can get the money, trust me, New Zealand and Australia, you will come back and in no time, the pics will have paid for the trip. Thats the general idea, isnt it?

in my experience, every possible place looks gorgeous in postcards.
in fact we should blame ourselves to make some places look much better than they deserve.

antistock

« Reply #52 on: May 05, 2012, 14:44 »
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Really not worth it. I get a few times more from a single lifestyle shoot.

well, speak for yourself :)
there are skilled travel photographers who can pretty well shoot 50 or 100 saleable pics a day while traveling.

rubyroo

« Reply #53 on: May 05, 2012, 14:52 »
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Wow great video! Thanks. Amazing, I haven't thought of Cornwall for years. 1 minute 11 seconds to 1 minute 15 seconds looks really familiar.

That's Mousehole.  Be sure to pronounce it 'Muzzle' down there, or you get in trouble with the locals!  :D Glad you liked it.

@ Lagereek:  Great!  Have a wonderful 1001st trip!  ;D  I agree, I never want to leave the place when I'm there.

wut

« Reply #54 on: May 05, 2012, 14:55 »
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Really not worth it. I get a few times more from a single lifestyle shoot.

well, speak for yourself :)
there are skilled travel photographers who can pretty well shoot 50 or 100 saleable pics a day while traveling.

That's what I also said ;)

But yes, I know that ppl that do it properly earn a lot of money from it (holgs etc), I'd say in most cases much more to just cover the expenses. Everybody should just do what they do best and enjoy (if possible). I'm glad I found what I like to shot.

« Reply #55 on: May 06, 2012, 12:36 »
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And yes, I know what you mean, as I said I'm going to Morocco and I wonder what are the hygienic standards like (I heard from lots of ppl they're terrible). I don't care if the streets are filled with filth, crap and garbage, but I do mind getting dirty forks and plates in restaurants or stinking sheets in hotels for instance. So I'll decide about India, when I return from Morocco (I know it's even worse down there).


never been to morocco but it can't be worse than india, nepal, rural china, cambodia ...

dirty forks and sheets are the norm unless you go in 4-5 stars hotels, not to mention cockroaches, and much more.
if this is a deal breaker i'm afraid you better skip india and surrounding altogether but let me say this is not the real issue, the real issue are the endless ripoffs and scams, sometimes even by fellow western expats !


sorry your experience of india has been such a disappointment - we dont usually stay in 4 or 5 star hotels, and yet we've never found dirty sheets in our hotels.  we eat in dhabas, roadside mud huts, but we see the food delivered directly from the stove.  i've trekked in Nepal & Morocco, and visited hill tribes in Orissa, India and remote pilgrimage sites in Gujarat.  conditions aren't disneyworld, but they're more the equivalent of a backcountry trip in yosemite, but with the addition of friendly people everywhere.   

i've worked with several online travel agents in india, and never been scammed . of course there are hustlers in any country, but they're minor hassles, not major disasters

http://cascoly.hubpages.com/hub/Pushed-at-the-Puskar-Fair-in-Rajasthan   is one of over a dozen articles i've written on our india travels, and it shows things dont always work as planned in india, but they do always work out.   

india isn't for everyone, but it's much better than the image you display

« Reply #56 on: May 06, 2012, 12:39 »
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Really not worth it. I get a few times more from a single lifestyle shoot.

well, speak for yourself :)
there are skilled travel photographers who can pretty well shoot 50 or 100 saleable pics a day while traveling.

exactly - my biggest problem with india is the quantity of images i have to deal with on my return - i've still got over 1000 images from my 2009 trip to edit & submit;  there is just no place on earth with as many possibilities for a photographer

« Reply #57 on: May 06, 2012, 16:47 »
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Just think of the little pirate villages like Mevagissey, Polperro, Cadgewith, etc. Beautyful and with a full pirate history.

Ah yes, I've been to the first two, but I don't know Cadgewith.  Must check that out on next visit if I get a chance.



You could go to Hawkes Wood, near Wadebridge. My great aunt gave it to the Cornwall Naturalists Trust (more or less creating them in the process, I believe). She was a remarkable woman. Dorothy Sewart. The discoverer of non-flowering chamomile.

rubyroo

« Reply #58 on: May 06, 2012, 17:32 »
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Wonderful!  Thank you BT, I'll add that to my list of places to visit next time.  How lovely that your great aunt did these things, and left you with such stories to tell  :)

lagereek

« Reply #59 on: May 07, 2012, 00:25 »
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Just think of the little pirate villages like Mevagissey, Polperro, Cadgewith, etc. Beautyful and with a full pirate history.

Ah yes, I've been to the first two, but I don't know Cadgewith.  Must check that out on next visit if I get a chance.



You could go to Hawkes Wood, near Wadebridge. My great aunt gave it to the Cornwall Naturalists Trust (more or less creating them in the process, I believe). She was a remarkable woman. Dorothy Sewart. The discoverer of non-flowering chamomile.

Lovely story!  thanks.

antistock

« Reply #60 on: May 07, 2012, 02:48 »
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sorry your experience of india has been such a disappointment - we dont usually stay in 4 or 5 star hotels, and yet we've never found dirty sheets in our hotels.  we eat in dhabas, roadside mud huts, but we see the food delivered directly from the stove.  i've trekked in Nepal & Morocco, and visited hill tribes in Orissa, India and remote pilgrimage sites in Gujarat.  conditions aren't disneyworld, but they're more the equivalent of a backcountry trip in yosemite, but with the addition of friendly people everywhere.   

i've worked with several online travel agents in india, and never been scammed . of course there are hustlers in any country, but they're minor hassles, not major disasters

http://cascoly.hubpages.com/hub/Pushed-at-the-Puskar-Fair-in-Rajasthan   is one of over a dozen articles i've written on our india travels, and it shows things dont always work as planned in india, but they do always work out.   

india isn't for everyone, but it's much better than the image you display


no no ... not disappointing at all, i travel quite rough and i love it, i was just replying to Wut who specifically asked about dirty spoons etc.
hahaha to give you an idea my first night in Delhi after a rough month in Kathmandu was in Paharganj in a lurid 5$ guesthouse ... and i stayed a couple weeks there as it's so colorful and the food is cheap and great.

as for the scams, i haven't been scammed but maybe because i'm not a newbie in asia and i know the score a bit, but they tried and tried again, sometimes many times a day and they can be quite pushy compared to the rest of asia.

antistock

« Reply #61 on: May 07, 2012, 02:51 »
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exactly - my biggest problem with india is the quantity of images i have to deal with on my return - i've still got over 1000 images from my 2009 trip to edit & submit;  there is just no place on earth with as many possibilities for a photographer

indeed, for travel photography i think it's the nr.1 destination, there's simply nothing else like India, it can easily become overwhelming in the right places and the right situation.

« Reply #62 on: May 07, 2012, 03:23 »
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exactly - my biggest problem with india is the quantity of images i have to deal with on my return - i've still got over 1000 images from my 2009 trip to edit & submit;  there is just no place on earth with as many possibilities for a photographer

indeed, for travel photography i think it's the nr.1 destination, there's simply nothing else like India, it can easily become overwhelming in the right places and the right situation.

I've visited India twice in the last 6 years, the last time was spring last year. The time before was 5 years prior. I only visited cities last time and there seems to be quite a change from when I went last year to 5 years prior. I like India, but in small doses. I adore the food. For me, I just can't find anywhere in the world which has better food than India.
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wut

« Reply #63 on: May 07, 2012, 05:07 »
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I've visited India twice in the last 6 years, the last time was spring last year. The time before was 5 years prior. I only visited cities last time and there seems to be quite a change from when I went last year to 5 years prior. I like India, but in small doses. I adore the food. For me, I just can't find anywhere in the world which has better food than India.

What's the change? Huge advancements, rise of living standard, less poverty, less chaos, more order? Which Cities would you recommend?

Regarding food, Italy? But if you like spicy and exotic food, then I can see, how nothing can beat it. I like it too. But just like chinese, you really have to go there to eat the real deal

« Reply #64 on: May 07, 2012, 11:42 »
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Regarding food, Italy? But if you like spicy and exotic food, then I can see, how nothing can beat it. I like it too. But just like chinese, you really have to go there to eat the real deal

actually UK has some of the best Indian food, and now there are also many good Indian restaurants in the US, not to mention chez moi - i've been cooking indian and chinese food for oveer 40 years, and each travel brings home new recipes

antistock

« Reply #65 on: May 07, 2012, 13:56 »
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i could eat indian food (especially Punjabi) every day if i could.

i also had great food in several Iranian, Turkish, and Lebanese restaurants, can't wait to travel in middle east myself once i finish to cover the orient.

if you like indian food you will like Myanmar food as well, similar but different, malaysian is also good with plenty of indian and indonesian influences.

by opposite i can't understand all the fuss about Thai food honestly and in cambodia you literally risk to be served with dog food ...

antistock

« Reply #66 on: May 07, 2012, 14:17 »
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I've visited India twice in the last 6 years, the last time was spring last year. The time before was 5 years prior. I only visited cities last time and there seems to be quite a change from when I went last year to 5 years prior. I like India, but in small doses. I adore the food. For me, I just can't find anywhere in the world which has better food than India.

What's the change? Huge advancements, rise of living standard, less poverty, less chaos, more order? Which Cities would you recommend?

Regarding food, Italy? But if you like spicy and exotic food, then I can see, how nothing can beat it. I like it too. But just like chinese, you really have to go there to eat the real deal

rise of living standards in India ? only for the middle class, and of course they live in "gates communities" with guards at the entrance, Delhi and Mumbai are the living example of this sort of apartheid between the rich, the poors, and the outcasts ("dalit").

so yes, it's getting better but only for those who can afford it, which are maybe 5-10% of the population.

RacePhoto

« Reply #67 on: May 07, 2012, 23:37 »
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This is the year 2012.  "Third World" is a very outdated and rather offensive term. 

And regarding crime... there are dangerous areas in every country (yours included).

What's the politically correct term for the same thing? I just want to know what the thought censors are pedaling now so we can speak about places that have it rough economically or are emerging and growing?

As for the second part. Yeah, no kidding. Where I'm living now I can hear gunfire at night, people in pick-ups come around looking for scrap, including stealing anything that they can recycle. The guy who rents in back had the wheels stolen off his wife's car, while it was parked in the lot. Just like the movies, I come back from camping and there's a car up on concrete blocks.  :o  Someone stole the tailgate off one of his trucks. (this stuff happens while I'm away for the weekend, so I suspect these people know when no one is here.) 

lagereek

« Reply #68 on: May 07, 2012, 23:50 »
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This is the year 2012.  "Third World" is a very outdated and rather offensive term. 

And regarding crime... there are dangerous areas in every country (yours included).

What's the politically correct term for the same thing? I just want to know what the thought censors are pedaling now so we can speak about places that have it rough economically or are emerging and growing?

As for the second part. Yeah, no kidding. Where I'm living now I can hear gunfire at night, people in pick-ups come around looking for scrap, including stealing anything that they can recycle. The guy who rents in back had the wheels stolen off his wife's car, while it was parked in the lot. Just like the movies, I come back from camping and there's a car up on concrete blocks.  :o  Someone stole the tailgate off one of his trucks. (this stuff happens while I'm away for the weekend, so I suspect these people know when no one is here.) 

Politically correct term is:  piss poor countries.  ;)  oh well, you know.

antistock

« Reply #69 on: May 08, 2012, 00:57 »
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Politically correct term is:  piss poor countries.  ;)  oh well, you know.

in my experience it's often not an issue of material poverty but of spiritual, intellectual, and technological poverty.

the first thing you see in a piss poor country is the abysmal state of the roads, if there are roads actually !
then look at the houses ... they usually make their own bricks, but dont expect them to have any clue about building a straight wall.
what about the roofs .. usually corrugated iron roofs fixed on wood ... electricity coming from a hanging wire cable fixed on the nearest tree .. same for telephone lines .. water coming in water tanks, but using dirty old tubes, sidewalks broken and with broken tiles, old motorbikes fixed 100 times, and the list goes on and on ... thanks god nowadays they can buy brand new cheap stuff from china otherwise they would end up using donkeys as they do in many parts of asia anyway.

now to the real issue, talk to these guys and they're pretty happy of all this, no desire to improve this, and no feeling of living in the sh-it, i mean they're born in the sh-it so it's the most natural thing for them, i remember some bamboo villages in Laos and Myanmar for instance, apart their mobile phones and TVs they were living like in the stone age and the highlight was their craftsmen carving huge trees in order to make canoes and kayaks to fish in the river.

so, indeed we should stop talking about "third world" as there's a sizeable part of the world that is just not interested about being civilized and radically changed (in worse) by technology and are very happy living as hunters/gatherers like in the Neolithic.

who are we to judge ? live and let live, i say.

 
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lagereek

« Reply #70 on: May 08, 2012, 01:04 »
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Politically correct term is:  piss poor countries.  ;)  oh well, you know.

in my experience it's often not an issue of material poverty but of spiritual, intellectual, and technological poverty.

the first thing you see in a piss poor country is the abysmal state of the roads, if there are roads actually !
then look at the houses ... they usually make their own bricks, but dont expect them to have any clue about building a straight wall.
what about the roofs .. usually corrugated iron roofs fixed on wood ... electricity coming from a hanging wire cable fixed on the nearest tree .. same for telephone lines .. water coming in water tanks, but using dirty old tubes, sidewalks broken and with broken tiles, old motorbikes fixed 100 times, and the list goes on and on ... thanks god nowadays they can buy brand new cheap stuff from china otherwise they would end up using donkeys as they do in many parts of asia anyway.

now to the real issue, talk to these guys and they're pretty happy of all this, no desire to improve this, and no feeling of living in the sh-it, i mean they're born in the sh-it so it's the most natural thing for them, i remember some bamboo villages in Laos and Myanmar for instance, apart their mobile phones and TVs they were living like in the stone age and the highlight was their craftsmen carving huge trees in order to make canoes and kayaks to fish in the river.

so, indeed we should stop talking about "third world" as there's a sizeable part of the world that is just not interested about being civilized and radically changed (in worse) by technology and are very happy living as hunters/gatherers like in the Neolithic.

who are we to judge ? live and let live, i say.

 

Agreeing!  good one.

« Reply #71 on: May 08, 2012, 15:03 »
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  the first thing you see in a piss poor country is the abysmal state of the roads, if there are roads actually ! 

ever drive in any US city, especially ones that have winter potholes?

US infrastructure is miserable - here in seattle, you need to avoid driving in the right hand lanes on many roads

many bridges across the country are considered unsafe and little is done til they collapse

but with a 'no new taxes' philosoph for last 30 years, cities and states have been left to rot

lagereek

« Reply #72 on: May 08, 2012, 16:00 »
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  the first thing you see in a piss poor country is the abysmal state of the roads, if there are roads actually ! 

ever drive in any US city, especially ones that have winter potholes?

US infrastructure is miserable - here in seattle, you need to avoid driving in the right hand lanes on many roads

many bridges across the country are considered unsafe and little is done til they collapse

but with a 'no new taxes' philosoph for last 30 years, cities and states have been left to rot

I have driven many times in New York,  potholes galore!  just about everywhere.

« Reply #73 on: May 08, 2012, 16:02 »
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  the first thing you see in a piss poor country is the abysmal state of the roads, if there are roads actually ! 

ever drive in any US city, especially ones that have winter potholes?

US infrastructure is miserable - here in seattle, you need to avoid driving in the right hand lanes on many roads

many bridges across the country are considered unsafe and little is done til they collapse

but with a 'no new taxes' philosoph for last 30 years, cities and states have been left to rot

I have driven many times in New York,  potholes galore!  just about everywhere.

Sounds terrible. I've been thinking about visiting the States, but people keep telling me that it's expensive and dangerous, and now I hear that the infrastructure is falling apart. I think I'll just stay here in my bamboo hut  ;)

wut

« Reply #74 on: May 08, 2012, 16:05 »
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  the first thing you see in a piss poor country is the abysmal state of the roads, if there are roads actually ! 

ever drive in any US city, especially ones that have winter potholes?

US infrastructure is miserable - here in seattle, you need to avoid driving in the right hand lanes on many roads

many bridges across the country are considered unsafe and little is done til they collapse

but with a 'no new taxes' philosoph for last 30 years, cities and states have been left to rot

I have driven many times in New York,  potholes galore!  just about everywhere.

Sounds terrible. I've been thinking about visiting the States, but people keep telling me that it's expensive and dangerous, and now I hear that the infrastructure is falling apart. I think I'll just stay here in my bamboo hut  ;)

And the food is terrible unless you shell out at least 100$ ;) . Not to mention coffee, which is a joke, they serve huge cups of brown water ;)


 

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