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« Reply #25 on: October 21, 2009, 04:20 »
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Any news about the new uploading system?

I Hate to ask again but...


« Reply #26 on: October 23, 2009, 04:48 »
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Hey tiero,

besides the final testing of the new upload system - which takes time - we currently have a lot of things going on (
http://bit.ly/2EOnQb, etc.) and well be happy to present the new upload tool soon as it is also in our interest to get ahead with this.

This for the moment & Ill keep you posted,
Andy

« Reply #27 on: November 06, 2009, 09:14 »
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Keep us posted.  I am eager to upload more images but am holding off due to the upload procedure.

Also, if you need testers, let me know :)

« Reply #28 on: November 06, 2009, 15:36 »
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Hey tiero,

besides the final testing of the new upload system - which takes time - we currently have a lot of things going on (http://bit.ly/2EOnQb, etc.) and well be happy to present the new upload tool soon as it is also in our interest to get ahead with this.

This for the moment & Ill keep you posted,
Andy



Yep I'm, also interested in uploading my portfolio there, but its only really worthwhile time wise if its a painless process...

« Reply #29 on: November 06, 2009, 19:47 »
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On the other hand, having a bit more of a tedious upload process helps ensure a contributor will upload only their better work and not spam an agency with hundreds of other images because the upload process was so quick and easy.

« Reply #30 on: November 07, 2009, 08:16 »
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On the other hand, having a bit more of a tedious upload process helps ensure a contributor will upload only their better work and not spam an agency with hundreds of other images because the upload process was so quick and easy.

well that could be true to some extent but people who are already selling with 10 agencies that are providing a decent income simply aren't going to spend the time clicking several buttons on every image to upload their portfolio.

If I am going to add a new site I have to be able to add 100 images within a few minutes.  Yaymicro, crestock, canstock, mostphotos all have very easy upload processes that are sufficiently easy.

I sent a hard drive to PantherMedia a while ago and got my images online that way.

« Reply #31 on: November 07, 2009, 10:01 »
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On the other hand, having a bit more of a tedious upload process helps ensure a contributor will upload only their better work and not spam an agency with hundreds of other images because the upload process was so quick and easy.

I dont think this would be a good strategy for stock sites. All they would really accomplish is aggravating everyone with a tedious submission process. They would be better off restricting uploads based on acceptance ratio if they were worried about being overwhelmed with bad photos.

« Reply #32 on: November 07, 2009, 10:25 »
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Not only uploading is tedious, it also takes very long time to get images reviewed. It is probably the slowest agency for me. The same image has been sold multiple times in other sites while still pending (or panting) with Panther.

 ;D

« Reply #33 on: November 09, 2009, 15:11 »
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@leaf / holgs:

as you mention that you want to upload more, you have noticed there recent pricing changes?

Introduction of subs model that allows e.g. 750 maximum size downloads within one month (no daily limit, a monthly limit!) for a full 199?

And their price reduction for credits (they themselves advertise it as 85% price reduction)?
An XL (A4 print size) file goes for 12 Credits, 25 Credits cost 33,90 while an "regular" (on Invoice) XL costs 49,90.
And this (soon to be irrelevant - just buy credits and you get more than twice as much files) price of 49,90 is still their official threshold to determine your commission (if you sell same size somewhere else for less, you'll get 30% instead of 50%). This distinction was established about two years ago to fight the evil Micro-Agencies... But now they keep it while trying to pull a price war with the cheapest subs program around... Totally ridiculous... >:(

Just so you know before you upload more...


Edit: forgot to add, the only good thing about it is, you can disable the subs program...
« Last Edit: November 09, 2009, 15:12 by dirkr »

« Reply #34 on: November 10, 2009, 01:15 »
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Introduction of subs model that allows e.g. 750 maximum size downloads within one month (no daily limit, a monthly limit!) for a full 199?

750 / 199 x 0.3(%) = 8 eurocent per image? No thanks.

grp_photo

« Reply #35 on: November 10, 2009, 03:53 »
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Introduction of subs model that allows e.g. 750 maximum size downloads within one month (no daily limit, a monthly limit!) for a full 199?

750 / 199 x 0.3(%) = 8 eurocent per image? No thanks.

That is the reason why they are now so desperately seeking new contributors. Because of the ridiculous price reduction (it started already many months ago but the last step was the most ridiculous one) many of their former contributors leaving/left their site. A few years ago I really liked PM but in the current state it is really the best to avoid this place, the last thing this market needs is a new downward spiral of prices  >:(
« Last Edit: November 10, 2009, 03:56 by grp_photo »

« Reply #36 on: November 10, 2009, 04:32 »
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Introduction of subs model that allows e.g. 750 maximum size downloads within one month (no daily limit, a monthly limit!) for a full 199?

750 / 199 x 0.3(%) = 8 eurocent per image? No thanks.


actually I think everyone gets 50% on subscription sales.  so it would be 199 images / 750 Euro * 50% = .13 eurocents :) ... but you are assuming all subscriptions are filled all the time, which is not the case

I agree that their 30% vs 50% scheme is starting to look a little dated.  I think they should put that to rest and give everyone an equal %.  

That said, doing some comparisons
Panther
12 month package
9000 total images (750 images/month * 12months)
3,039.52 USD (169 Euro/month * 12 months * (1 EUR = 1.49878 USD))

Shutterstock
12 month package
9125 total images (25 images/day * 365 days)
3123 USD (I can just see the NOK package price.  Can someone tell me the USD price?)

Panther is selling their images at $0.34/image
Shutterstock is selling their images at $0.34/image

The photographer gets 50% of the Panther sale
An established photographer gets $0.38/sale on Shutterstock

To tell you the truth I really think that the Panther subscription is on par with Shutterstock and should give us a higher return than we are seeing on Shutterstock.  Nobody knows what % Shutterstock is giving us, but I am guessing it is around 20-35% since on extended licenses we are getting somewhere between 23%-35% assuming the buyers uses up their entire subscription.  If Shutterstock can stand to price their images at $0.34 for the cheapest package and still give the photographer $0.38 we can guess they are taking in around $1.25/image - and giving us 30% of that which is $0.38.  With Panther if their users download a similar number of images we can expect $0.63 / download.  
« Last Edit: November 10, 2009, 04:34 by leaf »

« Reply #37 on: November 10, 2009, 08:51 »
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 If Shutterstock can stand to price their images at $0.34 for the cheapest package and still give the photographer $0.38 we can guess they are taking in around $1.25/image - and giving us 30% of that which is $0.38.  With Panther if their users download a similar number of images we can expect $0.63 / download.  

There is one big and important difference:
The Shutterstock customers have to download daily to use up their quota. Every day they don't download (e.g. weekends) reduces the number of pics they can get.
At Panther there is no daily download limit. Customers can download the whole 750 monthly quota on one day - or spread it over the month as they like. My expectation would be that there will be more downloads per sold plan in that model.
The payout that currently has been discussed in the Panther forum is around 0.32 to 0.34 per subscription download (that is from people who had their first sub downloads payed).

Although that does not look too bad compared with other subs plans, it (currently?) is nowhere near the volumes of the other players. Combined with their (already mentioned) ridiculous commission policy I am currently not willing to join that subs plan.

« Reply #38 on: December 04, 2009, 04:30 »
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We are going to introduce a new upload system soon these coming weeks. More information can be found here:

Since "these coming weeks" now drag on for quite a while  :D Are there any news regarding the new upload system?

On a side note: When are the contributor benefits for subscription downloads calculated? I'm pretty sure, it should have been at the end of the month in which the sale occurred. My downloads from October and November still say: "will be calculated at the end of the next month..." - at the end of which month will this happen?

« Reply #39 on: December 08, 2009, 07:21 »
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@Ploink:

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any news regarding the new upload system?


Christmas is close, and so is the new upload tool - take a look at our next newsletter this week.

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When are the contributor benefits for subscription downloads calculated?


Full explanation here:
http://bit.ly/5gGCOs, http://bit.ly/4qfW3n or here http://bit.ly/4nqHHo.

In short: If a customer - with a simple one-month subscription bought in mid-October - acquires an image in mid-October, we know all details of his particular subscription shortly after mid-November, i.e. downloaded images etc. Thus we calculate the value of each download at the end of that (the next) month, and you get your money at the beginning of the next month, in this case early December.

If you cant wait to see the new upload tool, heres a nice post for the time being from Tyler, on subs: http://bit.ly/6iRNy8.   ;)

Andy

« Last Edit: December 08, 2009, 07:57 by Team PantherMedia »

« Reply #40 on: December 08, 2009, 09:38 »
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I am looking forward to the new system.

« Reply #41 on: December 08, 2009, 09:50 »
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Christmas is close, and so is the new upload tool - take a look at our next newsletter this week.

Thanks for getting back to me  :)
« Last Edit: December 08, 2009, 09:54 by Ploink »

« Reply #42 on: December 08, 2009, 10:27 »
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In short: If a customer - with a simple one-month subscription bought in mid-October - acquires an image in mid-October, we know all details of his particular subscription shortly after mid-November, i.e. downloaded images etc. Thus we calculate the value of each download at the end of that (the next) month, and you get your money at the beginning of the next month, in this case early December.

Early December is gone... It's almost mid December now, but my October sub downloads are still not calculated...

« Reply #43 on: December 09, 2009, 10:10 »
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Early December is gone... It's almost mid December now, but my October sub downloads are still not calculated...

Ok, I complained too early... I received the payment for the October sub downloads. 0,29 each. Fotolia pays more....

Time to remove that silly 30% / 50% thing...

« Reply #44 on: December 09, 2009, 10:17 »
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I am looking forward to the new system.

Second that  ;D

m@m

« Reply #45 on: December 09, 2009, 10:24 »
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Time to remove that silly 30% / 50% thing...

I'll second that!!!

« Reply #46 on: December 14, 2009, 03:58 »
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Christmas is close, and so is the new upload tool - take a look at our next newsletter this week.





Did I miss something?
There was news last week?

dbvirago

« Reply #47 on: December 17, 2009, 19:25 »
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I just started looking at this site again and am curios about something regarding the new back end.

July 14
We are going to introduce a new upload system soon these coming weeks.

July 17 in answer to will it be ready in a few days/
Tiero, soon, yes!

August 10
It is around the corner, in the final testing phase.

Sept 18
You all will receive an even bigger "YES" when it is ready soon.

Oct 23
besides the final testing of the new upload system - which takes time - we currently have a lot of things going on (http://bit.ly/2EOnQb, etc.) and well be happy to present the new upload tool soon as it is also in our interest to get ahead with this.


Dec 08
Christmas is close, and so is the new upload tool


Is it possible to get a straight  answer? It was a few weeks and then a few days in July

« Reply #48 on: December 17, 2009, 19:27 »
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I just started looking at this site again and am curios about something regarding the new back end.

July 14
We are going to introduce a new upload system soon these coming weeks.

July 17 in answer to will it be ready in a few days/
Tiero, soon, yes!

August 10
It is around the corner, in the final testing phase.

Sept 18
You all will receive an even bigger "YES" when it is ready soon.

Oct 23
besides the final testing of the new upload system - which takes time - we currently have a lot of things going on (http://bit.ly/2EOnQb, etc.) and well be happy to present the new upload tool soon as it is also in our interest to get ahead with this.


Dec 08
Christmas is close, and so is the new upload tool


Is it possible to get a straight  answer? It was a few weeks and then a few days in July


I know. What's the deal?

« Reply #49 on: December 18, 2009, 03:31 »
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I see that some of my photos are on PM from a 3rd party site.  The third party site is one of the easiest I upload to.  I only get 50% of the commission they make but at least my photos go on PM without having to go through the time consuming process and I think they sell on other sites too.  I am not going to reveal the site but I am sure most people here can guess.


 

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