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« on: February 13, 2020, 09:02 »
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Pond5 got caught listing our clips on their unlimited download site yesterday.

https://www.pond5.com/community?forum=76121&thread=117761099&page=1

Very concerning.


Noedelhap

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« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2020, 09:23 »
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I cant find the topic, was it deleted? Do you still have it cached?
« Last Edit: February 13, 2020, 09:25 by Noedelhap »

« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2020, 09:54 »
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I cant find the topic, was it deleted? Do you still have it cached?

You have to log in as a contributor to see the contributor only forum.

« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2020, 10:01 »
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still video producer think that they forever will earn 29 dollar per royalty and earn always enough? wake up video is already finished....pond5 is just surviving...like ss like adobe...soon everybody will cut royalty and sells video for 1,50 dollar....that'happens when 200 million people in the world think they can be a photographer videographer in a market who at most can sustain 200-300000. stop complaining , work hard  or quit, this is the state of industry.

Noedelhap

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« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2020, 10:11 »
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I cant find the topic, was it deleted? Do you still have it cached?

You have to log in as a contributor to see the contributor only forum.

You're right, thanks!

Noedelhap

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« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2020, 10:18 »
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When I visit the Hyperstock website, it says COMING SOON...I can't search the database or anything?

« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2020, 10:20 »
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When I visit the Hyperstock website, it says COMING SOON...I can't search the database or anything?

Pond5 took it down late last night after seeing angry contributors.

« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2020, 10:21 »
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Individual links are still alive.

https://hyperstock.com/video/076804439/

Noedelhap

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« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2020, 10:27 »
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When I visit the Hyperstock website, it says COMING SOON...I can't search the database or anything?

Pond5 took it down late last night after seeing angry contributors.

Wow...they would only do that when they knew they were wrong. Goes to show Pond5 has zero integrity left. I have no idea if my portfolio was on there, but if it was I'll give them hell on social media.

« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2020, 10:32 »
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We never know how many of our clips were downloaded already.  It makes me angry.  We should sue Pond5 for this.

« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2020, 11:46 »
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This is disgusting.

When Fotolia tried that with their Onedollarphoto agency they created an unbelievable shitstorm and saw millions of files deactivated in protest in 3 weeks.

I think they lost 15-20% of their collection at the time, it was a huge disaster.

But pond5 has always lectured everyone how immoral it is to send content to sites with unlimited downloads.

Now they are stealing content without permission and doing it themselves.

If this is the secret project they have been putting all their energy into, I am not surprised the sales have fallen.

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2020, 12:05 »
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I cant find the topic, was it deleted? Do you still have it cached?

"Your search returned no results." But the link shows some messages when I'm logged in.

https://www.pond5.com/community?forum=76121&thread=117761099 Look in Artists Forum it's the #1 topic 11 pages.  ;D

Just want to note that Hyperstock is not top secret, I got this a couple weeks ago.

Hi Peter,

Good news from Wirestock!

We listened to your requests and have some news for you!

>From January 27th we are starting to collaborate with Hyperstock, a new subscription-based marketplace launched by Pond5.

That means you will be able to upload your awesome images to Hyperstock as well.

Please note that we will be submitting all your images that are on Pond5 to Hyperstock.

IMPORTANT: If for some reason you would not like your portfolio to be submitted to Hyperstock's platform or you're personally against the idea, please let us know via replying to this e-mail until this Sunday, January 26th.


OK so that came from Wirestock, and I haven't seen anything since then. But Hyperstock is photos, video and music, a subscription site. No clue what the terms are or anything else. Yet

« Last Edit: February 13, 2020, 12:13 by Uncle Pete »

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2020, 12:19 »
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More, I'm still digging through the 11 pages.

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gregp5 2020-02-12 15:14
Hey guys,

Hyperstock is not live. Its still in a test/beta phase. If you see some of your content there its because we hand-selected it, mostly out of the Membership Collection (a subscription). If you dont want it there, just shoot us an email at Support and well handle your request.

For anyone who needs to review our fully transparent announcement of the Hyperstock product, check this Town Hall video again (around the 16:00 mark):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuULwC1m8Jk&feature=youtu.be&utm_source=sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=artists_town_hall_oct_8

We explain all the protections weve put in place to ensure this product does not cannibalize regular Marketplace sales (our core business).

We were not the first to introduce an unlimited subscription business - and the rise of these services has attracted budget-conscious buyers and impacted our long-tail buyer base. Hyperstock will service that same buyer group with an even more attractive package, growing participating artists incremental subscriptions payment in the process. It is not meant for our core Marketplace buyers of TV and film production.

The protections weve built in against cannibalization are robust - from marketing to content selection to the licenses available, everything is crafted to ensure that in serving the low price buyers, we dont sacrifice the high price ones. Feel free to email us, or review the video, for the full details.

If you want your content removed from Hyperstock, let us know - but keep in mind that placement in the collection is limited.

Thanks!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuULwC1m8Jk&feature=youtu.be&utm_source=sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=artists_town_hall_oct_8

Someone else pointed this out, I'm just doing some time saving with a quote:

From the town hall at 37:26 - "Never are we going to put your best selling content into a subscription product."

« Last Edit: February 13, 2020, 12:27 by Uncle Pete »

« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2020, 13:20 »
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Tried from first 09xxxxxxx to last 12xxxxxxx clip IDs of mine, and none is included.
Membership only and guess handpicked to attract customers.
The one problem I see is not if our clips are in or out, it is 95% a photo site they said,
but this generic "copyright" video spider image over content.
If it's not under "P5" logo, what's the meaning to submit to Pond5?

I don't see any other comments on photos like "wait for it"
but actually all membership included photos are going to this subscription model?
Searching own photo IDs they do are included in Hyperstock.
Membership pool added photos has no opt out if I am not wrong.
That's the second problem I think, all photo sales go for cents?
Edit, and there is no port link over contributors name, just a "more from artist" option.
pfffff....
« Last Edit: February 13, 2020, 13:24 by georgep7 »

« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2020, 13:27 »
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The one problem I see is not if our clips are in or out, it is 95% a photo site they said,
but this generic "copyright" video spider image over content.


a photo site with a million of clips.....
i don't believe a single word they say....
btw you can ask them to remove your clips from hyperstock like i did...

« Reply #15 on: February 13, 2020, 13:38 »
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Thank you I will, although I am not in membership library, so I think i'm covered.
No brand watermark means that our content video or images go to "*ttps://s3.amazonaws.com/p5resellerp/{add-your-photoID}.jpeg".
I think that it is not footage in danger at the moment (if you are not in footage membership pool)
but all images that go straight to subscription model without opt-out for best ones or best sellers etc.
Wouldn't that kill sales of those photos in other agencies?
« Last Edit: February 13, 2020, 13:44 by georgep7 »

« Reply #16 on: February 13, 2020, 16:54 »
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Thank you I will, although I am not in membership library, so I think i'm covered.
No brand watermark means that our content video or images go to "*ttps://s3.amazonaws.com/p5resellerp/{add-your-photoID}.jpeg".
I think that it is not footage in danger at the moment (if you are not in footage membership pool)
but all images that go straight to subscription model without opt-out for best ones or best sellers etc.
Wouldn't that kill sales of those photos in other agencies?
Well,i'm not in the membership but many of my clips have been put on hyperstock without my permission!!!
A contributor was able to sign in for the 7 days free trial and download a bunch of clip,then when he wrote about it on pond5 forum they took down the site in coming soon mode...

« Reply #17 on: February 14, 2020, 14:04 »
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Don't forget Pond5 will take their cut from Hyperstock before you see your 30%.

It's a Win Win just for Pond5.

« Reply #18 on: February 15, 2020, 02:53 »
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Win for how long? Already footage leads to LLC $1,75 sales, so, photos can be deleted instantly on first "$0,00015" sub sale. Abandoned port content will remain the same leading to a non refreshed content library that clients will download and abandon if active contributors withdraw their images or stop feeding it. Oh wait, 0,00015 is better than zero. Yup, I will stop writing "Still a newbie" now on. Got it how it works :P Anyway, I don't care for my first photo submissions, not shamed to say they are all crappy. But whatever I consider as worthy photo will be gone when they launch the site. Better a tiny photo port with a dozen photos rather a thousand whatever snapshots to feed mail with 0,00015 "you made a sale!" messages.

Edit. The most important thing choosing exclusivity was that in cold blood deleted everything from everywhere.
If they asked this from a contributor and fulfilled it, they should knew that he/she will do it again in order to gain profit or protect his/hers content.
And TBH it is a good chance for refreshing and minimizing portfolio from all crap.
« Last Edit: February 15, 2020, 03:31 by georgep7 »

« Reply #19 on: February 15, 2020, 03:33 »
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It is ironic that wirestock wrote an email to inform their contributors, but pond5 could not be bothered.


Also the reaction to blame the unruly contributors who should just sit back and chill...doesnt build trust.

How can they not understand that taking content without asking people for an unlimited subs model will make people feel they went behind their backs?

All that was needed was a simple email and an opt in button for unlimited subs.

Ask people nicely before you do something...

But beyond that...if this is the project that got all their love and attention in the last 9 months...then I am not surprised at the drastic, abrupt drop on pond5 that so many people are describing. Some artists went from 3000 a month to zero...this is simply not normal.

At least for me SS sales are going up and also Adobe is slowly improving their video sales.
« Last Edit: February 15, 2020, 07:03 by cobalt »

« Reply #20 on: February 15, 2020, 03:39 »
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Don't forget Pond5 will take their cut from Hyperstock before you see your 30%.

It's a Win Win just for Pond5.

That is a good point, Hyperstock is a partner agency, so income is split with pond5 first.

And then pond5 pays out our royalty from their cut.

But they can freely decide how to share between pond5 and Hyperstock. It could be 80% goes to Hyperstock and only from the 20% cut for pond5 will royalties be paid. Even a 50/50 split would cut our royalties drastically.

I hadnt thought about that.

« Reply #21 on: February 15, 2020, 04:04 »
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ATTENTION!
To remove your content from hyperstock you have to confirm it TWICE.
By the way.. what >:(
"I hope I have provided you with some clarity, and I am truly sorry you feel this way.  If you still want your content removed from HyperStock, just confirm once more "

« Reply #22 on: February 15, 2020, 04:31 »
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What a damage subscription plans are doing to this industry!!!!

« Reply #23 on: February 15, 2020, 05:44 »
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still video producer think that they forever will earn 29 dollar per royalty and earn always enough? wake up video is already finished....pond5 is just surviving...like ss like adobe...soon everybody will cut royalty and sells video for 1,50 dollar....that'happens when 200 million people in the world think they can be a photographer videographer in a market who at most can sustain 200-300000. stop complaining , work hard  or quit, this is the state of industry.

It's also what happens when people boast of their stock footage earnings, make youtube videos about making income from stock and everyone starts promoting blackbox. Blackbox facebook page is a giant killer as well. Talk about getting everyone with a camera to become your direct competition and then wonder why it all collapses before your eyes.

« Reply #24 on: February 15, 2020, 06:19 »
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still video producer think that they forever will earn 29 dollar per royalty and earn always enough? wake up video is already finished....pond5 is just surviving...like ss like adobe...soon everybody will cut royalty and sells video for 1,50 dollar....that'happens when 200 million people in the world think they can be a photographer videographer in a market who at most can sustain 200-300000. stop complaining , work hard  or quit, this is the state of industry.

It's also what happens when people boast of their stock footage earnings, make youtube videos about making income from stock and everyone starts promoting blackbox. Blackbox facebook page is a giant killer as well. Talk about getting everyone with a camera to become your direct competition and then wonder why it all collapses before your eyes.

+1 But that's how the whole world moving. You can now also find thousand of tutorials how to create or manipulate media from scratch:
"open {heavy program that you have not a clue}, now click here and there, voila, your work is done!, like, share, subscribe".
 
Perhaps I don't get the whole picture but blackbox is just one part of the huge "reseller" new trend.
Too many middle-men/points that have a "Small cut" from the shrinking pie.

In contrast free content no matter the quality is concentrated in direct sources and "handpicked" reuploaders have no success (?)

This should be a lesson to agencies I think to keep their assets in one place no matter the price tag they decide.
I have found my clips reseller - sold in China market for peanuts, so much with control over my content.

« Reply #25 on: February 15, 2020, 06:43 »
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If you participate in membership/subscription, you are lowering price of stock videos.  Don't do it.

« Reply #26 on: February 15, 2020, 07:20 »
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If you participate in membership/subscription, you are lowering price of stock videos.  Don't do it.

I'm not in the membership thing on pond5, but whilst doing a quick search on hyperstock, I've found some of my clips.
In a nutshell can someone explain the difference between what pond5's membership is compared to hyperstock? I thought the membership was the same as a hyperstock model?

« Reply #27 on: February 15, 2020, 09:11 »
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Hyperstock is an unlimited subs program. A customer pays a modest fee, say 20 dollars a month and can then download whatever he or she likes without limit.

And pond5 has not yet explained how much contributors will earn per download.

I am not part of the membership program, but from what I have heard you get a money for every sale. The membership plan is not unlimited and supposedly will work out to be 2-8 dollars per file for the customer and I suppose artist get a normal subs commission. I have no idea how much that is.

Again, I am not a member and reporting what I heard.

But membership is a plan with a monthly  limit.

But if Hyperstock goes live again why should anyone buy your files from pond5 or Shutterstock when they can download thousands or files for a small monthly fee?

For years pond5 has raged against such sites and scolded all artists who dared to take part in such agencies.

Now they are doing it themselves and hijacking contributor content without asking them first.

And the reason they are not asking is because they know the individual contributor will not make any significant money, but for the agency owners it will be a goldmine.

Unlimited or cheap sub sites get significantly less uploads and have much smaller libraries than normal agencies. Because people are not stupid and see no reason to upload a 1000dollar production to a site where at best they can hope to earn a few cents per download.

But my main gripe is that they did not ask artists before taking the content.

Send an email to everyone, direct them to a page with information and a large Opt In button and all is fine.


Then the artist can make an informed choice.

But until now...they havent...and they force you to opt out TWICE before removing your content (or not selecting it).
« Last Edit: February 15, 2020, 16:30 by cobalt »

« Reply #28 on: February 15, 2020, 09:55 »
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Hyperstock is an unlimited subs program. A customer pays a modest fee, say 20 dollars a month and can then download whatever he or she likes without limit.

And pond5 has not yet explained how much contributors will earn per download.

I am not part of the membership program, but from what I have heard you get a money for every sale. The membership plan is nit jnlimited and supposedly will work out to be 2-8 dollars per file for the customer and I suppose artist get a normal subs commission. I have no idea how much that is.

Again, I am not a member and reporting what I heard.

But membership is a plan with a monthly  limit.

But if Hyperstock goes live again why should anyone buy your files from pond5 or Shutterstock when they can download thousands or files for a small monthly fee?

For years pond5 has raged against such sites and scolded all artists who dared to take part in such agencies.

Now they are doing it themselves and hijacking contributor content without asking them first.

And the reason they are not asking is because they know the individual contributor will not make any significant money, but for the agency owners it will be a goldmine.

Unlimited or cheap sub sites get significantly less uploads and have much smaller libraries than normal agencies. Because people are not stupid and see no reason to upload a 1000dollar production to a site where at best they can hope to earn a few cents per download.

But my main gripe, is that they did not ask artists before taking the content.

Send an email to everyone, direct them to a page with information and a large Opt In button and all is fine.

Then the artist can make an informed choice.

But until now...they havent...and they force you to opt out TWICE before removing your content (or not selecting it).

Thanks Cobalt. Yes it is worrying to say the least. Do you know when Hyperstock will be live / or how long it has been?
It all seems very secretive!

It reminds me of Getty's Premium Membership. And that sucks!!!

« Reply #29 on: February 15, 2020, 10:02 »
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« Last Edit: February 15, 2020, 10:18 by georgep7 »

« Reply #30 on: February 15, 2020, 10:37 »
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Pond5's resonse again on Pond5 artist forum.


gregp5 2020-02-13 17:50
Hi guys,

I know many of you are already communicating directly with our Support Team, but I thought an extra message here would clarify the situation even further.

Hyperstock is not live, and we are not launching or marketing anything at the moment. You found it while we were still working on it in a test phase prior to the launch of any go-to-market efforts. Aside from the couple of artists who signed up last night, we have made no sales and no content has been downloaded.

Clearly many of you are upset though and Id like to address your concerns since it means a lot to us. While we tried to communicate our intentions with Hyperstock in the public Town Hall, several forum posts, and numerous individual conversations, it's obvious from the reactions here that we weren't as clear as we intended. Let me be perfectly clear: anybody who wants to opt out of this program can do so - just let us know. This was always our intention and we are sorry if we have upset anyone with our communication shortcomings. We will also try to improve communications and options in the future.

Hyperstock was conceived as Pond5s answer to the growing number of unlimited download subscription sites that have proliferated over the last year or so. Like it or not, there is now a large buyer base that is only interested in an unlimited content subscription product. No, it is not TV/film or big budget advertisers but a growing group of social/digital producers that produce content frequently but on very tight budgets. We know because we frequently survey our customer base, we follow the data internally/externally, and we hear it directly from customers who call us. As some of you have correctly pointed out, competing subscription sites do have much smaller libraries than Pond5 and Hyperstock will similarly be a very limited library (less than 5% of content). Subscription sites are growing in number and collection size, and as they grow, budget-conscious buyers are tempted to trade depth and breadth for cost savings. This is the reality of the market in 2020.

While we do want to enter this space, and secure that subscription revenue for our contributors, we also want to do it in a way that protects our core marketplace business. This is incredibly important to us, we have as much to lose as you do if we do not do it well, and we would not launch a product like this if we thought we couldnt do it. Again, I encourage you to re-watch the Hyperstock segment from our last Town Hall, or email Support for full details of the protections weve put in place.

Most of the comments here about Hyperstock have been negative - and thats fine. Everyone is entitled to have their say on this forum. Ill share with you, however, that many of you have reached out to us directly since our Town Hall to specifically request inclusion in Hyperstock and there is currently a deep waiting list of interested artists who realize that a subscription is a good way to monetize older, unsold content.

We know the 2nd half of 2019 was a difficult period and we are not yet out of the woods. We believe weve identified the reasons for the slowdown and were working hard to turn things around. While we do that, however, well continue to pursue new opportunities in this evolving market. But certainly your consent to participate in any specific programs, including Hyperstock, is in your hands. If youd like to get in touch and request to be included or excluded, please contact support and we will prioritize your request prior to launch.

As always, we are reachable. Ive got phone calls scheduled with a bunch of you for tomorrow to go over questions, so if youd like to get on that list, just shoot me an email.

Thanks

« Reply #31 on: February 15, 2020, 10:49 »
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According to comments in the pond5 thread it has been open in beta testing for a few weeks, but is now closed.

eta:

Again the new message is just as evasive.

They could easily inform all contributors with one single email and one Opt in Button.


They are choosing NOT TO INFORM EVERYONE AND SHOW NO REMORSE FOR USING CONTENT WITHOUT CONSENT.

It is not right to hijack content and let people find out via online chatter.


« Last Edit: February 15, 2020, 10:56 by cobalt »

« Reply #32 on: February 16, 2020, 10:11 »
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In my mind the content was stolen and they got caught.
Now we have the usual corporate double speak and lies.

Still no apology for using our content without permission.
Still no statement on how the royalty is broken down.

Licensing and Copyright are meaningless in this day and age. It's literally a free for all.

« Reply #33 on: February 16, 2020, 10:17 »
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there is currently a deep waiting list of interested artists

Lol.

So, whats the process for opting out?

« Reply #34 on: February 16, 2020, 10:27 »
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They have been advertising Hyperstock since October:
https://twitter.com/GetHyperstock/status/1182428245557428224
https://www.facebook.com/pg/hyperstock/posts/

Where are our Sales Reports?

ShadySue

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« Reply #35 on: February 16, 2020, 10:31 »
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there is currently a deep waiting list of interested artists
Is there a difference between a 'deep list' and a 'long list'?

« Reply #36 on: February 16, 2020, 11:09 »
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Many thoughts for the moment. I dislike reading "give us a call" we do not all live in US or speak fluently English and this reflects and to our content.

The one thought that crossed my mind and can't be solved is that promotion of hyperstock with all those emoticons or whatever they called and the fake millenial or whatever gen style language. What on earth is the target client group? Teenagers?

Noedelhap

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« Reply #37 on: February 16, 2020, 12:03 »
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Hyperstock was conceived as Pond5s answer to the growing number of unlimited download subscription sites that have proliferated over the last year or so. Like it or not, there is now a large buyer base that is only interested in an unlimited content subscription product. No, it is not TV/film or big budget advertisers but a growing group of social/digital producers that produce content frequently but on very tight budgets.

This is so stupid.
It's like saying: "well, people who work a minimum wage job can't afford to buy a Mercedes, so let's give them a Mercedes against a lower price point. Other car salesman are doing the same..."
What car company would ever think like that? It would grossly devalue their product. Sometimes you just have to accept you can't have it all if you're on a tight budget. Why does Pond5 have the desperate need to cater to lower budgets?

My two cents: if you're a content creator, and you can't afford a certain price for footage or photos, then maybe you're just fresh out of luck. Start saving up money, do something else and come back when you have budget. I don't want to sacrifice my livelihood and sell my content for pennies just so you can live your dream life of being a Youtuber. I'm not doing this for charity.

« Reply #38 on: February 16, 2020, 12:41 »
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« Reply #39 on: February 16, 2020, 13:48 »
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there is currently a deep waiting list of interested artists

Lol.

So, whats the process for opting out?

You have to opt out TWICE.

First write to support that you want to opt out.

They reply praising the new opportunity..bla...bla...waiting list...then ask you to confirm AGAIN that you want to opt out.

They are refusing to send an email to all contributors. People have to rely on their networks and social media groups.


« Reply #40 on: February 16, 2020, 16:50 »
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there is currently a deep waiting list of interested artists
Is there a difference between a 'deep list' and a 'long list'?

How deep is a piece of string? :D
« Last Edit: February 18, 2020, 07:35 by Microstock Posts »

« Reply #41 on: February 17, 2020, 09:39 »
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Hyperstock was conceived as Pond5s answer to the growing number of unlimited download subscription sites that have proliferated over the last year or so. Like it or not, there is now a large buyer base that is only interested in an unlimited content subscription product. No, it is not TV/film or big budget advertisers but a growing group of social/digital producers that produce content frequently but on very tight budgets.

This is so stupid.
It's like saying: "well, people who work a minimum wage job can't afford to buy a Mercedes, so let's give them a Mercedes against a lower price point. Other car salesman are doing the same..."
What car company would ever think like that? It would grossly devalue their product. Sometimes you just have to accept you can't have it all if you're on a tight budget. Why does Pond5 have the desperate need to cater to lower budgets?

My two cents: if you're a content creator, and you can't afford a certain price for footage or photos, then maybe you're just fresh out of luck. Start saving up money, do something else and come back when you have budget. I don't want to sacrifice my livelihood and sell my content for pennies just so you can live your dream life of being a Youtuber. I'm not doing this for charity.

It's called greed.

« Reply #42 on: February 17, 2020, 13:44 »
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Pond5 is perfectly free to build an unlimited subscription website.

I just dont want my content there.

To hijack my files for this project without explicit consent, that is the problem.

They are doing it because they know none of the quality contributors will give them files for an unlimited subs site.

These sites make fantastic money for the owners, but less than pennies for the contributors.

And of course they also havent announced how much every download will earn....
« Last Edit: February 17, 2020, 15:54 by cobalt »

« Reply #43 on: February 19, 2020, 05:43 »
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And of course they also havent announced how much every download will earn....

Since you cannot know how many downloads there will be, or how many subscribers there will be, in any given month, quite naturally, you cannot say how much one download will earn.

An educated GUESS is that it will be from $0.01-0.50, likely closer to $0.01 than $0.50. It could also be less than $0.01.

If you need $ per download numbers to be high, an unlimited subscription site is not for you.
« Last Edit: February 19, 2020, 05:47 by increasingdifficulty »

« Reply #44 on: February 19, 2020, 10:20 »
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Have they given out a guidance how much downloads earn?

 Any kind of estimates on a page so artists can make an informed decision?

Make Hyperstock an Opt In and all the negativity disappears.

Hijacking content without consent and stubbornly refusing  to inform their community directly looks like they have to hide something.

If they really believed in Hyperstock they would not force artists to confirm twice to have their content removed.

So why not send that email?

Why dont they believe that artists will opt in?

Why do they have to hijack content without explicit consent?

ETA:

I just found a lot of my photos on Hyperstock. Many of them sell every week or when they are in season are reliable sellers. Some of them are on page 1 for keyword searches on Shutterstock.

It is unbeliavble that pond5 is trying to kill my reliable income on good agencies with their unlimited subs experiment.

I wrote to them again to make it clear that of course I want my photos also removed, just like the videos.

I get 38 cents - 2 dollars on average for every sale, plus the occasional special license.

Hyperstock is an attack on my well selling files.

Not funny, this is really serious.
« Last Edit: February 19, 2020, 11:05 by cobalt »

« Reply #45 on: February 19, 2020, 10:40 »
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there is currently a deep waiting list of interested artists
Is there a difference between a 'deep list' and a 'long list'?

A deep list is for people who are digging their own grave.

« Reply #46 on: February 26, 2020, 04:55 »
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I got a very kind email from pond5 support that my account has now been opted out of Hyperstock.

Ill check in a few days if my pics are gone and will post back here.

« Reply #47 on: February 26, 2020, 05:13 »
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I got a very kind email from pond5 support that my account has now been opted out of Hyperstock.

Ill check in a few days if my pics are gone and will post back here.


cobalt, can you please define, you got a reply from support or content team?

« Reply #48 on: February 26, 2020, 16:35 »
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I got emails from

Acquisition Associate

and

Administrative & Customer Care

so I guess this is both support and content team.

But I just wrote to contributor support.


« Reply #49 on: February 27, 2020, 01:51 »
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there is currently a deep waiting list of interested artists

Lol.

So, whats the process for opting out?

You have to opt out TWICE.

First write to support that you want to opt out.

They reply praising the new opportunity..bla...bla...waiting list...then ask you to confirm AGAIN that you want to opt out.

They are refusing to send an email to all contributors. People have to rely on their networks and social media groups.

Yes, that is exactly what happened with me today.

I sent this brief email to [email protected] :

I do not wish to be included in your new Hyperstock. Please let me know if I need to do anything more to make that happen.

A few hours later, this came back:

Good evening Martha,

Thank you for reaching out to us about HyperStock. I will be happy to help honor your request upon your confirmation. First, please allow me to provide you with some details.

Currently, HyperStock is not live. Our teams are in the middle of testing it. It has not yet launched, and we have not marketed to any buyers at the moment.

This new platform will be a subscription website. It will be powered by Pond5, that is targeted at freelancers, small business owners, and other price-sensitive media buyers. You can see more details about why we decided to build this platform in our Town Hall in October 2019 (around the 16:00 mark):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuULwC1m8Jk&feature=youtu.be

Our goal with this is to help generate another source of revenue potential for our artist community. Rest assured, HyperStock is not a replacement of the Pond5 marketplace (our core business), and is only meant to attract budget-conscious buyers as a more attractive package. It is not meant for our core Marketplace buyers of TV and film production.

As for the offered content, HyperStock items were hand-selected from Pond5 mostly out of the Membership Collection (our other subscription product). So just like the existing Membership program, our Artists will receive a proportional revenue share in a bundle earnings every month, through your chosen payout method.

I hope I have provided you with some clarity. If you still want your content removed, please provide your account username and confirm once more. But please keep in mind that placement in the HyperStock collection is limited, so spots may fill up.

Or if you would like to try only some files that have not generated any sales over the years to be in HyperStock, let me know.

I look forward to hearing back from you.



So now, per instructions, I will send them my account username and "confirm once more."

Hope it works.


Uncle Pete

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« Reply #50 on: February 27, 2020, 09:35 »
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I got a very kind email from pond5 support that my account has now been opted out of Hyperstock.

Ill check in a few days if my pics are gone and will post back here.

How can you check if your images are gone when there is no Hyperstock site yet?



How would anyone find their images or how do I find if mine are there? Seems a bit mysterious.

« Reply #51 on: February 27, 2020, 10:32 »
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@cobalt, thanks for the answer, guess I hae to send another email for my case :)

@Uncle Pete, as mentioned previous, you add to the main url slash photo slash your image's photo ID. e.g hyperstock.com/photo/123456789 although it is easy all this time to "hide" content by simple transformed it to /item/ or other similar "directory". Even if your image is found, check your contributor name, if you opted-out name is delete_me or something. Guess when site will go up again search function will reveal content?

« Reply #52 on: February 27, 2020, 12:10 »
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I got emails from

Acquisition Associate

and

Administrative & Customer Care

so I guess this is both support and content team.

But I just wrote to contributor support.
Same, I got 2 confirmations. It took 3 days.

As I saved a link to one of my files at Hyperstock I tried it yesterday, it doesnt work anymore.

« Reply #53 on: February 27, 2020, 18:11 »
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To follow up, I got a satisfactory answer today to my opt-out request.

Thanks to the MSG group for alerting me to this. I'm very happy not to go down this rat hole.

*****

Hi Martha,

Thank you for confirming.

Please know that I have provided your account to be removed by our Content Team who is working on the HyperStock library.

And because our teams are still building the site, please give us some time to process this.

If there is anything else we can do for you here at Customer Care, we will always do our best to help.

« Reply #54 on: March 02, 2020, 15:09 »
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The site doesnt work. Just says coming soon??

« Reply #55 on: March 02, 2020, 15:48 »
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The site doesnt work. Just says coming soon??

That's called a "holding page." Its purpose is to give a visitor something to see, rather than a black hole on the web, and then get OH SO EXCITED!!! that a new site is about to appear.

Uncle Pete

  • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
« Reply #56 on: March 03, 2020, 09:04 »
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@Uncle Pete, as mentioned previous, you add to the main url slash photo slash your image's photo ID. e.g hyperstock.com/photo/123456789 although it is easy all this time to "hide" content by simple transformed it to /item/ or other similar "directory". Even if your image is found, check your contributor name, if you opted-out name is delete_me or something. Guess when site will go up again search function will reveal content?

That's an awful lot of trouble for someone to go to, to find one of my images, on a site that's not available. Or is that so I can search if I'm one of the test people?

Thanks for the answer, I'll wait until it goes live. I thought the problem was, people had signed up for free trial accounts and could download anyone's work, from Hyperstock. For Free!

OK now I get it, kind of. There's a back door to view one of my videos, maybe.  ;)

Nothing found.  https://www.hyperstock.com/stock-footage/item/105615790

If I did that right?

« Reply #57 on: March 03, 2020, 09:20 »
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https://www.hyperstock.com/stock-footage/105615790 not there.
"item"was a simple sample how the whole structure can be arranged to hide content.
As far as I remember before deleting photos, user name in Hyperstock went "delete_me".

But you are right, no spare time for blind search, when it will be live, we will see...

Uncle Pete

  • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
« Reply #58 on: March 03, 2020, 14:02 »
+1
https://www.hyperstock.com/stock-footage/105615790 not there.
"item"was a simple sample how the whole structure can be arranged to hide content.
As far as I remember before deleting photos, user name in Hyperstock went "delete_me".

But you are right, no spare time for blind search, when it will be live, we will see...

And for someone who cares and wants out, it could matter. I don't care, so I'll play Wait and See.  :) At this point, I'd take a sub for something with no sales. What I don't know is how much? Better than $1.50 or could things be even worse than the SS bottom. I don't know what IS is at now, I'm ignoring them.

« Reply #59 on: March 06, 2020, 01:16 »
+5
In the forum admin Ryan from pond5 just announced that the Hyperstockproject has been put on hold and they want to focus on improving pond5 first. They will let us know when they restart the project.

You need to be logged in to read the thread.

https://www.pond5.com/community?forum=76121&thread=117761099&page=27


« Reply #60 on: March 06, 2020, 03:48 »
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...never mind...
« Last Edit: March 06, 2020, 03:58 by georgep7 »

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #61 on: March 06, 2020, 11:18 »
+1
In the forum admin Ryan from pond5 just announced that the Hyperstockproject has been put on hold and they want to focus on improving pond5 first. They will let us know when they restart the project.

You need to be logged in to read the thread.

https://www.pond5.com/community?forum=76121&thread=117761099&page=27

L O L Someone just got their brilliant, by committee or corporate idea, for making more money, handed back to them on a flaming platter.

I've seen a CEO, Vice President of an industrial division, top guy in other words, have an idea about marketing and expanding. No one could tell him otherwise, no one could say, that's not our area, we shouldn't be trying that. So he goes off, makes sales boards, product packages, creates everything and forces it on the sales people. I'd say a year later, we get a notice, "ship back everything, boards, products, literature, the program has ended". Kind of erased the whole project and they wanted to make it as invisible as possible.

I'd be willing to bet, that someone at Pond 5 came up with this plan and didn't take time to see how it would work, or how the artists would react. Just waved their hands and made it happen. Almost?  ::)

Great, now improve Pond 5, I think we're all behind them.

Great point from someone, Opt In instead of Opt Out, if they go through with this.

« Reply #62 on: March 06, 2020, 14:52 »
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Great, now improve Pond 5, I think we're all behind them.

I found this interesting because, just 2 days ago, I had my first P5 video sale since things died there last summer.

Could it be they really and truly, actually, honestly have gotten back to improving P5???
« Last Edit: March 06, 2020, 14:55 by marthamarks »

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #63 on: March 07, 2020, 09:34 »
+3

Great, now improve Pond 5, I think we're all behind them.

I found this interesting because, just 2 days ago, I had my first P5 video sale since things died there last summer.

Could it be they really and truly, actually, honestly have gotten back to improving P5???

A friend asked me, so maybe I need to explain. Hyperstock is not "dead" forever, it's just being revised. Typical corporate speak, when a project is a failure and shut down, the press will read, "we are improving other areas at this time." not "We stuffed it, the idea crashed and burned, we're backing up to see what went wrong."  ;D

Concentrating on improving Pond 5 means, they don't want to talk about the elephant in the room, so as a diversion they throw us a bone about how they are working on good things for us. Yeah, and meanwhile, Hyperstock will be back, maybe this time with open terms and what is going on, not a surprise announcement that something new is here.

Best answer I've seen is, allow people to Opt In, not force them to Opt Out. That would go a long way to build confidence and trust. The artist makes the decision to participate or not.

« Reply #64 on: March 07, 2020, 11:18 »
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DISCLAIMER: THIS IS A FUN NON CONSPIRACY THEORIES RELATED POST!>>>>>

Quote
I found this interesting because, just 2 days ago, I had my first P5 video sale since things died

"We all had one this week Martha"



« Reply #65 on: March 07, 2020, 11:26 »
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Great, now improve Pond 5, I think we're all behind them.

I found this interesting because, just 2 days ago, I had my first P5 video sale since things died there last summer.

Could it be they really and truly, actually, honestly have gotten back to improving P5???

A friend asked me, so maybe I need to explain. Hyperstock is not "dead" forever, it's just being revised. Typical corporate speak, when a project is a failure and shut down, the press will read, "we are improving other areas at this time." not "We stuffed it, the idea crashed and burned, we're backing up to see what went wrong."  ;D

Concentrating on improving Pond 5 means, they don't want to talk about the elephant in the room, so as a diversion they throw us a bone about how they are working on good things for us. Yeah, and meanwhile, Hyperstock will be back, maybe this time with open terms and what is going on, not a surprise announcement that something new is here.

Best answer I've seen is, allow people to Opt In, not force them to Opt Out. That would go a long way to build confidence and trust. The artist makes the decision to participate or not.

I agree with you...it's not that they listened to artists,likely they are not ready or don't see profit in hyperstock...remains to know why...another sign of a desperate agency that have not clue of what they do...

« Reply #66 on: March 07, 2020, 14:52 »
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DISCLAIMER: THIS IS A FUN NON CONSPIRACY THEORIES RELATED POST!>>>>>

Quote
I found this interesting because, just 2 days ago, I had my first P5 video sale since things died

"We all had one this week Martha"

Really?

« Reply #67 on: March 07, 2020, 15:04 »
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DISCLAIMER: THIS IS A FUN NON CONSPIRACY THEORIES RELATED POST!>>>>>

Quote
I found this interesting because, just 2 days ago, I had my first P5 video sale since things died

"We all had one this week Martha"

Really?

I dunno it was a provocative fun post, similar to SS conspiracy theories.
But I have seen also others report sales this week after a long dry period.
Hard to say if within one week of this Hyperstock story clients flood the Pond5 market.
As a side note for a total newbie I had EL and normal sales before Town Hall,
why do you think a newcomer despite that he read all threads on agency practices
was so positive to exclusivity?

 ::)


 

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