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« on: February 13, 2020, 09:02 »
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Pond5 got caught listing our clips on their unlimited download site yesterday.

https://www.pond5.com/community?forum=76121&thread=117761099&page=1

Very concerning.


Noedelhap

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« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2020, 09:23 »
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I cant find the topic, was it deleted? Do you still have it cached?
« Last Edit: February 13, 2020, 09:25 by Noedelhap »

« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2020, 09:54 »
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I cant find the topic, was it deleted? Do you still have it cached?

You have to log in as a contributor to see the contributor only forum.

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« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2020, 10:01 »
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still video producer think that they forever will earn 29 dollar per royalty and earn always enough? wake up video is already finished....pond5 is just surviving...like ss like adobe...soon everybody will cut royalty and sells video for 1,50 dollar....that'happens when 200 million people in the world think they can be a photographer videographer in a market who at most can sustain 200-300000. stop complaining , work hard  or quit, this is the state of industry.

Noedelhap

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« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2020, 10:11 »
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I cant find the topic, was it deleted? Do you still have it cached?

You have to log in as a contributor to see the contributor only forum.

You're right, thanks!

Noedelhap

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« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2020, 10:18 »
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When I visit the Hyperstock website, it says COMING SOON...I can't search the database or anything?

« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2020, 10:20 »
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When I visit the Hyperstock website, it says COMING SOON...I can't search the database or anything?

Pond5 took it down late last night after seeing angry contributors.

« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2020, 10:21 »
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Individual links are still alive.

https://hyperstock.com/video/076804439/

Noedelhap

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« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2020, 10:27 »
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When I visit the Hyperstock website, it says COMING SOON...I can't search the database or anything?

Pond5 took it down late last night after seeing angry contributors.

Wow...they would only do that when they knew they were wrong. Goes to show Pond5 has zero integrity left. I have no idea if my portfolio was on there, but if it was I'll give them hell on social media.

« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2020, 10:32 »
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We never know how many of our clips were downloaded already.  It makes me angry.  We should sue Pond5 for this.

« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2020, 11:46 »
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This is disgusting.

When Fotolia tried that with their Onedollarphoto agency they created an unbelievable shitstorm and saw millions of files deactivated in protest in 3 weeks.

I think they lost 15-20% of their collection at the time, it was a huge disaster.

But pond5 has always lectured everyone how immoral it is to send content to sites with unlimited downloads.

Now they are stealing content without permission and doing it themselves.

If this is the secret project they have been putting all their energy into, I am not surprised the sales have fallen.

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2020, 12:05 »
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I cant find the topic, was it deleted? Do you still have it cached?

"Your search returned no results." But the link shows some messages when I'm logged in.

https://www.pond5.com/community?forum=76121&thread=117761099 Look in Artists Forum it's the #1 topic 11 pages.  ;D

Just want to note that Hyperstock is not top secret, I got this a couple weeks ago.

Hi Peter,

Good news from Wirestock!

We listened to your requests and have some news for you!

>From January 27th we are starting to collaborate with Hyperstock, a new subscription-based marketplace launched by Pond5.

That means you will be able to upload your awesome images to Hyperstock as well.

Please note that we will be submitting all your images that are on Pond5 to Hyperstock.

IMPORTANT: If for some reason you would not like your portfolio to be submitted to Hyperstock's platform or you're personally against the idea, please let us know via replying to this e-mail until this Sunday, January 26th.


OK so that came from Wirestock, and I haven't seen anything since then. But Hyperstock is photos, video and music, a subscription site. No clue what the terms are or anything else. Yet

« Last Edit: February 13, 2020, 12:13 by Uncle Pete »

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2020, 12:19 »
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More, I'm still digging through the 11 pages.

Quote

gregp5 2020-02-12 15:14
Hey guys,

Hyperstock is not live. Its still in a test/beta phase. If you see some of your content there its because we hand-selected it, mostly out of the Membership Collection (a subscription). If you dont want it there, just shoot us an email at Support and well handle your request.

For anyone who needs to review our fully transparent announcement of the Hyperstock product, check this Town Hall video again (around the 16:00 mark):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuULwC1m8Jk&feature=youtu.be&utm_source=sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=artists_town_hall_oct_8

We explain all the protections weve put in place to ensure this product does not cannibalize regular Marketplace sales (our core business).

We were not the first to introduce an unlimited subscription business - and the rise of these services has attracted budget-conscious buyers and impacted our long-tail buyer base. Hyperstock will service that same buyer group with an even more attractive package, growing participating artists incremental subscriptions payment in the process. It is not meant for our core Marketplace buyers of TV and film production.

The protections weve built in against cannibalization are robust - from marketing to content selection to the licenses available, everything is crafted to ensure that in serving the low price buyers, we dont sacrifice the high price ones. Feel free to email us, or review the video, for the full details.

If you want your content removed from Hyperstock, let us know - but keep in mind that placement in the collection is limited.

Thanks!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuULwC1m8Jk&feature=youtu.be&utm_source=sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=artists_town_hall_oct_8

Someone else pointed this out, I'm just doing some time saving with a quote:

From the town hall at 37:26 - "Never are we going to put your best selling content into a subscription product."

« Last Edit: February 13, 2020, 12:27 by Uncle Pete »

georgep7

« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2020, 13:20 »
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Tried from first 09xxxxxxx to last 12xxxxxxx clip IDs of mine, and none is included.
Membership only and guess handpicked to attract customers.
The one problem I see is not if our clips are in or out, it is 95% a photo site they said,
but this generic "copyright" video spider image over content.
If it's not under "P5" logo, what's the meaning to submit to Pond5?

I don't see any other comments on photos like "wait for it"
but actually all membership included photos are going to this subscription model?
Searching own photo IDs they do are included in Hyperstock.
Membership pool added photos has no opt out if I am not wrong.
That's the second problem I think, all photo sales go for cents?
Edit, and there is no port link over contributors name, just a "more from artist" option.
pfffff....
« Last Edit: February 13, 2020, 13:24 by georgep7 »

« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2020, 13:27 »
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The one problem I see is not if our clips are in or out, it is 95% a photo site they said,
but this generic "copyright" video spider image over content.


a photo site with a million of clips.....
i don't believe a single word they say....
btw you can ask them to remove your clips from hyperstock like i did...

georgep7

« Reply #15 on: February 13, 2020, 13:38 »
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Thank you I will, although I am not in membership library, so I think i'm covered.
No brand watermark means that our content video or images go to "*ttps://s3.amazonaws.com/p5resellerp/{add-your-photoID}.jpeg".
I think that it is not footage in danger at the moment (if you are not in footage membership pool)
but all images that go straight to subscription model without opt-out for best ones or best sellers etc.
Wouldn't that kill sales of those photos in other agencies?
« Last Edit: February 13, 2020, 13:44 by georgep7 »

« Reply #16 on: February 13, 2020, 16:54 »
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Thank you I will, although I am not in membership library, so I think i'm covered.
No brand watermark means that our content video or images go to "*ttps://s3.amazonaws.com/p5resellerp/{add-your-photoID}.jpeg".
I think that it is not footage in danger at the moment (if you are not in footage membership pool)
but all images that go straight to subscription model without opt-out for best ones or best sellers etc.
Wouldn't that kill sales of those photos in other agencies?
Well,i'm not in the membership but many of my clips have been put on hyperstock without my permission!!!
A contributor was able to sign in for the 7 days free trial and download a bunch of clip,then when he wrote about it on pond5 forum they took down the site in coming soon mode...

« Reply #17 on: February 14, 2020, 14:04 »
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Don't forget Pond5 will take their cut from Hyperstock before you see your 30%.

It's a Win Win just for Pond5.

georgep7

« Reply #18 on: February 15, 2020, 02:53 »
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Win for how long? Already footage leads to LLC $1,75 sales, so, photos can be deleted instantly on first "$0,00015" sub sale. Abandoned port content will remain the same leading to a non refreshed content library that clients will download and abandon if active contributors withdraw their images or stop feeding it. Oh wait, 0,00015 is better than zero. Yup, I will stop writing "Still a newbie" now on. Got it how it works :P Anyway, I don't care for my first photo submissions, not shamed to say they are all crappy. But whatever I consider as worthy photo will be gone when they launch the site. Better a tiny photo port with a dozen photos rather a thousand whatever snapshots to feed mail with 0,00015 "you made a sale!" messages.

Edit. The most important thing choosing exclusivity was that in cold blood deleted everything from everywhere.
If they asked this from a contributor and fulfilled it, they should knew that he/she will do it again in order to gain profit or protect his/hers content.
And TBH it is a good chance for refreshing and minimizing portfolio from all crap.
« Last Edit: February 15, 2020, 03:31 by georgep7 »

« Reply #19 on: February 15, 2020, 03:33 »
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It is ironic that wirestock wrote an email to inform their contributors, but pond5 could not be bothered.


Also the reaction to blame the unruly contributors who should just sit back and chill...doesnt build trust.

How can they not understand that taking content without asking people for an unlimited subs model will make people feel they went behind their backs?

All that was needed was a simple email and an opt in button for unlimited subs.

Ask people nicely before you do something...

But beyond that...if this is the project that got all their love and attention in the last 9 months...then I am not surprised at the drastic, abrupt drop on pond5 that so many people are describing. Some artists went from 3000 a month to zero...this is simply not normal.

At least for me SS sales are going up and also Adobe is slowly improving their video sales.
« Last Edit: February 15, 2020, 07:03 by cobalt »

« Reply #20 on: February 15, 2020, 03:39 »
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Don't forget Pond5 will take their cut from Hyperstock before you see your 30%.

It's a Win Win just for Pond5.

That is a good point, Hyperstock is a partner agency, so income is split with pond5 first.

And then pond5 pays out our royalty from their cut.

But they can freely decide how to share between pond5 and Hyperstock. It could be 80% goes to Hyperstock and only from the 20% cut for pond5 will royalties be paid. Even a 50/50 split would cut our royalties drastically.

I hadnt thought about that.

« Reply #21 on: February 15, 2020, 04:04 »
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ATTENTION!
To remove your content from hyperstock you have to confirm it TWICE.
By the way.. what >:(
"I hope I have provided you with some clarity, and I am truly sorry you feel this way.  If you still want your content removed from HyperStock, just confirm once more "

« Reply #22 on: February 15, 2020, 04:31 »
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What a damage subscription plans are doing to this industry!!!!

« Reply #23 on: February 15, 2020, 05:44 »
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still video producer think that they forever will earn 29 dollar per royalty and earn always enough? wake up video is already finished....pond5 is just surviving...like ss like adobe...soon everybody will cut royalty and sells video for 1,50 dollar....that'happens when 200 million people in the world think they can be a photographer videographer in a market who at most can sustain 200-300000. stop complaining , work hard  or quit, this is the state of industry.

It's also what happens when people boast of their stock footage earnings, make youtube videos about making income from stock and everyone starts promoting blackbox. Blackbox facebook page is a giant killer as well. Talk about getting everyone with a camera to become your direct competition and then wonder why it all collapses before your eyes.

georgep7

« Reply #24 on: February 15, 2020, 06:19 »
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still video producer think that they forever will earn 29 dollar per royalty and earn always enough? wake up video is already finished....pond5 is just surviving...like ss like adobe...soon everybody will cut royalty and sells video for 1,50 dollar....that'happens when 200 million people in the world think they can be a photographer videographer in a market who at most can sustain 200-300000. stop complaining , work hard  or quit, this is the state of industry.

It's also what happens when people boast of their stock footage earnings, make youtube videos about making income from stock and everyone starts promoting blackbox. Blackbox facebook page is a giant killer as well. Talk about getting everyone with a camera to become your direct competition and then wonder why it all collapses before your eyes.

+1 But that's how the whole world moving. You can now also find thousand of tutorials how to create or manipulate media from scratch:
"open {heavy program that you have not a clue}, now click here and there, voila, your work is done!, like, share, subscribe".
 
Perhaps I don't get the whole picture but blackbox is just one part of the huge "reseller" new trend.
Too many middle-men/points that have a "Small cut" from the shrinking pie.

In contrast free content no matter the quality is concentrated in direct sources and "handpicked" reuploaders have no success (?)

This should be a lesson to agencies I think to keep their assets in one place no matter the price tag they decide.
I have found my clips reseller - sold in China market for peanuts, so much with control over my content.


 

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