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Agency Based Discussion => Pond5 => Topic started by: Sstr on July 25, 2018, 15:00
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"Help us keep Pond5 the Artist (and Buyer) Friendly Marketplace!
Dear Artist,
You’re receiving this email because there may be clips in your Pond5 portfolio that are priced lower on competitor sites. You (and we) risk losing sales if the same content can be found for less elsewhere — other sites where you earn fewer royalties.
Pond5 is rapidly becoming the go-to global destination for footage buyers, which means Artists like you have more opportunities than ever to thrive. We’ve accomplished this through the depth and breadth of our collection, our best-in-class search experience, and competitive pricing.
We’d like to ask for your help to continue making this happen. If you have content on Pond5 that is priced lower on competitor sites, please adjust your pricing to be no higher than the competitor price. Giving Artists the ability to set their own prices is one of our most important founding principles, but we also have to protect the integrity of our marketplace. (Of course, we always welcome higher-priced exclusive content.)
Our team can provide assistance with bulk price changes and other concerns. For help, just contact us at [email protected]. Thank you for making Pond5 the number one global content marketplace!
Sincerely,
The Pond5 Team"
Are they panicing after Videoblocks crazy annoucement!?
My prices are just slightly above Shutterstocks prices.
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Dear Pond5, you're receiving this message because there are other sites that are selling my photos thousands of times each month while I only have a sale every few months with you.
Please, adjust your number of sales to match them and I will lower my prices a bit.
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This crap is spreading worse than an 'STD'! :-[
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Dear Pond5,
I love your site and promote it a ton, just look at my links and hits! That being said I can not eat and pay my bills with just one site. The site you are referring to is VideoBlocks, well you see to get that $49.00 price point you have to pay a yearly subscription kind of like your membership pricing which I might add is lower then regular pricing! This is the pot calling the kettle black. I will decided when to adjust my pricing and what to do with my work. Thank-you
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But you did get that massage!
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If my memory serves me correctly didn't FT do this years ago? They even demoted folks from what I remember once they found out that they had the same images for a lower price on other sites.
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Sadly, my prices at P5 have already been lower than SS, and the sales are still pitiful.
I do not sending my best works to VB.
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They want you to pull out from other agencies and be exclusive with them and you can set any deserving price for your works.
Something that I've been pondering lately ;D
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Well, the pricing war which I warned a year ago has begin... thx to VB/SB other agencies have sales problems. Now dump your prices to match VB's if you all so much enjoy this pricing tier. #muahahahahaha
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"Giving Artists the ability to set their own prices is one of our most important founding principles," or not.....
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I'm going to raise my prices in response. Sales at Pond5 are not that frequent, so I might as well try it.
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Well, the pricing war which I warned a year ago has begin... thx to VB/SB other agencies have sales problems. Now dump your prices to match VB's if you all so much enjoy this pricing tier. #muahahahahaha
Well you seem to enjoy that pricing tier to an extent, as 394 of your HD clips are available for $49 on Dissolve. An agency that pays 30%, so you get $14.70 for an HD sale.
So just to clarify and confirm your logic here:
Old Storyblocks - 100% of $49: Horrible.
New Storyblocks - 50% of $49: Absolutely disgusting.
Dissolve - 30% of $49: Fine.
Yes, only about 10% of your content is at $49 on Dissolve, before you use that as some excuse, but that's not the point. Less than 10% of my revenue comes from Storyblocks.
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Oh, that tier is because of Pond5 prices. Not from VB ;) And 400 files is about 3% of our database and only our old not really great sellers.
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Dear Pond5, you're receiving this message because there are other sites that are selling my photos thousands of times each month while I only have a sale every few months with you.
Please, adjust your number of sales to match them and I will lower my prices a bit.
I am surprised that so many people hate P5.
Personally I like and support them. It is the only micro site I find fair for contributors. I try to put my prices competitives as possible to bring clients here because even if prices are "low" I still get here much more ( per download) then elsewhere...
BTW, this year I had 2 months with income at Pond higher than at SS.
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Yeah ... I think I'm going to just drop most all this crap and self host. We are making peanuts with these fuckers.
I have a server and crap if you wanna hit me up.
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Join us in the RACE TO THE BOTTOM! There will be a t-shirt.
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Pond5 rather uniquely are offering the contributor the choice to carry on with your race to the bottom or you can race to the top. Trouble is contributors need to act together if they want to race to the top, but don't trust each other enough to make that choice possible. Consequently, Pond5 are left in no mans land, unable to join other agencies in the race to the bottom and priced out of the market by their own contributors.
There have been many calls for contributors to get together to give some kind of strength in numbers, you don't need it, just throw all your media at Pond5 exclusive and treble your prices, that would turn the market upside down in an instant and create a race to the top.
Ready, steady, Go!
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Pond5 rather uniquely are offering the contributor the choice to carry on with your race to the bottom or you can race to the top. Trouble is contributors need to act together if they want to race to the top, but don't trust each other enough to make that choice possible. Consequently, Pond5 are left in no mans land, unable to join other agencies in the race to the bottom and priced out of the market by their own contributors.
There have been many calls for contributors to get together to give some kind of strength in numbers, you don't need it, just through all your media at Pond5 exclusive and treble your prices, that would turn the market upside down in an instant and create a race to the top.
Ready, steady, Go!
You first :)
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Pond5 rather uniquely are offering the contributor the choice to carry on with your race to the bottom or you can race to the top. Trouble is contributors need to act together if they want to race to the top, but don't trust each other enough to make that choice possible. Consequently, Pond5 are left in no mans land, unable to join other agencies in the race to the bottom and priced out of the market by their own contributors.
There have been many calls for contributors to get together to give some kind of strength in numbers, you don't need it, just through all your media at Pond5 exclusive and treble your prices, that would turn the market upside down in an instant and create a race to the top.
Ready, steady, Go!
You first :)
Seems we have a false start, refused to start due to lack of trust, didn't take long :(. We need to act together, refusal to do so means the bottom is inevitable and we know you don't want that. How do we earn each others trust, or do we wait for the bottom to come racing up at us and hit us in the face, before we seek answers.
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Yeah ... I think I'm going to just drop most all this crap and self host. We are making peanuts with these fuckers.
I have a server and crap if you wanna hit me up.
FROM : https://www.videouniversity.com/articles/selling-stock-footage/ (https://www.videouniversity.com/articles/selling-stock-footage/)
"He started by selling clips on his own website BassVisuals.com, but sales were so low he started submitting his footage to all the major stock footage sites. Paul says in his article “Make Money Selling Stock Footage Video” that it is best to let others sell your footage. The big agency sites are where all the customers go when they want stock footage. These large sites do all the marketing so why compete with them?"
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Dear Pond5, you're receiving this message because there are other sites that are selling my photos thousands of times each month while I only have a sale every few months with you.
Please, adjust your number of sales to match them and I will lower my prices a bit.
I am surprised that so many people hate P5.
Personally I like and support them. It is the only micro site I find fair for contributors. I try to put my prices competitives as possible to bring clients here because even if prices are "low" I still get here much more ( per download) then elsewhere...
BTW, this year I had 2 months with income at Pond higher than at SS.
Where does he\she say that they hate Pond 5? And Pond 5 is not a micro site.
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I'm actually in the agreement mode. No more content on VB, Dissolve. Lets see how they piece to the bottom with no or really crappy content.
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He means it's a microstock site... not that it's a tiny site.
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He means it's a microstock site... not that it's a tiny site.
So you are suggesting that Pond 5 is a microstock site?
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I'm actually in the agreement mode. No more content on VB, Dissolve. Lets see how they piece to the bottom with no or really crappy content.
You mean just like Shutterstock allowing the crappy new images :-\
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He means it's a microstock site... not that it's a tiny site.
So you are suggesting that Pond 5 is a microstock site?
Yes I am.
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He means it's a microstock site... not that it's a tiny site.
So you are suggesting that Pond 5 is a microstock site?
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Yes I am.
Okay then if you say so.
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Don't take my word for it... if we're discussing a site on Micro Stock Group, then chances are that it's a Micro Stock Site. Usually a good rule of thumb.
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Don't take my word for it... if we're discussing a site on Micro Stock Group, then chances are that it's a Micro Stock Site. Usually a good rule of thumb.
Here is a definition of microstock. Pond5 fits two of the three criteria. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microstock_photography
Just because P5 is on here does not make it so.
What defines a company as a microstock photography company is that they (1) source their images almost exclusively via the Internet, (2) do so from a wider range of photographers than the traditional stock agencies (including a willingness to accept images from "amateurs" and hobbyists), and (3) sell their images at a very low rate (from US$0.20 to $10 in the US) for a royalty-free (RF) image.
Based on this alone, they do not fit the criteria of a micro. Your first comment was right. Micro sales.
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Well there's 20m RF images on Pond5 and 13m of them are available for $10 or less. So 2.65 out of 3 would make it close enough!
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Well there's 20m RF images on Pond5 and 13m of them are available for $10 or less. So 2.65 out of 3 would make it close enough!
That's the choice of the artist, not Pond 5. But I will agree that since most are uploading micro images they are pricing them similarly, thus creating a framework for micro-aligned assets on a "price it yourself" site.
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Just so I understand the logic...
At Pond5 you can set your own prices, as long as they conform to some standard that they have determined. They want to remain "artist-friendly" by allowing you to set your own prices, but not so friendly that they really support the option to set your own prices.
Fixed pricing or artist-adjustable pricing. Pick one, Pond5. I don't even care which way you go, but giving people grief for using the pricing features you built into your system is dumb.
If it's that big of a problem for you, set fixed prices and be done with it.
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Just so I understand the logic...
At Pond5 you can set your own prices, as long as they conform to some standard that they have determined. They want to remain "artist-friendly" by allowing you to set your own prices, but not so friendly that they really support the option to set your own prices.
Fixed pricing or artist-adjustable pricing. Pick one, Pond5. I don't even care which way you go, but giving people grief for using the pricing features you built into your system is dumb.
If it's that big of a problem for you, set fixed prices and be done with it.
Not dumb at all. Pond5 is the most contributor friendly agency that still remains with Stocksy on the stock panorama. Who are really not very clever. are some people that price their assets higher at Pond5 that the established prices at agencies that pay a fraction of the percentage they get at P5. That sir is really DUMB.
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I don't know if it was caused by this thread or was it just a false alarm.
But I asked them for the prices they would suggest.
They answered HD $79 and 4k $199.
So looks like they wanted me to decrease HD and rise 4k prices.
So maybe a false alarm(no videoblocks pricing), but they shouldent ask people to change their pricing anyway.