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SquirrelPower

« Reply #175 on: May 02, 2016, 17:28 »
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There is no reason why his artsy shots and your stock content cant coexist on an agency.

But maybe he really is an example of the newthink of pond5, who knows.

Exactly! to increase sales they need the legacy and the new stuff coexisting in one site.  Going in one direction means leaving a lot of buyers behind. I liked it when they accepted almost everything and let the buyers decide what they want to buy.



« Reply #176 on: May 02, 2016, 18:14 »
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The bottom line is that Pond 5 needs its contributors and pretending that they are Getty Images is actually going to shrink their business because that's a much smaller market.

LOL

« Reply #177 on: May 04, 2016, 13:18 »
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There is no reason why his artsy shots and your stock content cant coexist on an agency.

But maybe he really is an example of the newthink of pond5, who knows.

Exactly! to increase sales they need the legacy and the new stuff coexisting in one site.  Going in one direction means leaving a lot of buyers behind. I liked it when they accepted almost everything and let the buyers decide what they want to buy.

Be honest and say is this you tube P5 promo aiming for artsy buyers or any buyers actually?
What's the idea behind? After seeing this you will buy stuff on P5? Seriously?  :o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYw6aAKqXW4

What an embarrassment for brand to invest money into something like this.  :-X
Is this that new direction towards quality they were talking about? These guys are totally lost, I think.

« Last Edit: May 04, 2016, 13:27 by KnowYourOnions »

SquirrelPower

« Reply #178 on: May 04, 2016, 14:49 »
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Be honest and say is this you tube P5 promo aiming for artsy buyers or any buyers actually?
What's the idea behind? After seeing this you will buy stuff on P5? Seriously?  :o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYw6aAKqXW4

What an embarrassment for brand to invest money into something like this.  :-X
Is this that new direction towards quality they were talking about? These guys are totally lost, I think.
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I'd say they've totally lost it after watching that video. So these are the new higher standard they are talking about? after seeing the GIF of the two goofy hipsters with large goofy glasses attempting to dance and now this hipster video I think there must be a big sign in there office reading DUMB IT DOWN. 

One could laugh but a lot of us have lost a lot of our income due to this change in direction, buyers won't even watch that promo let alone click on Pond5, so annoying, stupid and silly they will just go click on another site. They've clearly gone art house and hipster and in a very different direction.

I'd love to know why, do they believe there is big money to be made in that space? did they get bad advice from consultants or was it a simple directive from one track mind simple management to dumb things down.

I watched that video and it's not funny, not sure if it was supposed to be but wasn't funny at all to me.

« Reply #179 on: May 04, 2016, 16:25 »
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The video got a bit tedious but he has 2.8 million followers, so I do see why Pond5 would want to be promoted on that channel.  As usual, KnowYourOnions is using everything he can find to have a go at Pond5.  They have done some things that deserve criticism in the last year but having a go at everything they do is as tedious as the joke in that video.

« Reply #180 on: May 04, 2016, 16:57 »
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The video got a bit tedious but he has 2.8 million followers, so I do see why Pond5 would want to be promoted on that channel.  As usual, KnowYourOnions is using everything he can find to have a go at Pond5.  They have done some things that deserve criticism in the last year but having a go at everything they do is as tedious as the joke in that video.

ok cool I am an obsesive idiot who likes to call out P5 nonsense...but please, enlighten me and tell me the benefits of having this terrible video promo on some celebrity you tube channel? Not a single comment below the video is about P5. Why spending money on such nonsense?  :o
« Last Edit: May 04, 2016, 17:00 by KnowYourOnions »

« Reply #181 on: May 04, 2016, 17:52 »
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So how much did they pay?  Probably not a lot and some of those 2.8 million subscribers will check out P5 and use them.  You complain that they don't spend money on marketing, then you complain when they do, so I fully agree with the start of your sentence :)

« Reply #182 on: May 05, 2016, 02:16 »
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So how much did they pay?  Probably not a lot and some of those 2.8 million subscribers will check out P5 and use them.  You complain that they don't spend money on marketing, then you complain when they do, so I fully agree with the start of your sentence :)
These you tubers are the rich kids, you know so just imagine how much they got paid.
I can put money on it, that some of 2 mil ppl won't...cos that's not the audience that brings money in. Maybe one odd out purchase here and there and that's it.
Call me whatever, I have right to make my point and welcome to complaining lot too (as per your recent posts).  8)

« Reply #183 on: May 05, 2016, 04:34 »
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There are a lot of rich youtubers, so I don't have a problem with Pond5 marketing there.  I do complain but unlike you, it isn't about absolutely everything they do.  You have a right to make your point but I have the right to disagree with you whenever I want to.

SquirrelPower

« Reply #184 on: May 05, 2016, 06:25 »
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There are a lot of rich youtubers, so I don't have a problem with Pond5 marketing there.  I do complain but unlike you, it isn't about absolutely everything they do.  You have a right to make your point but I have the right to disagree with you whenever I want to.

What I wonder is if those people who watch that youtuber are the buyers who have budgets to buy stock for their productions or if they themselves are low to no budget creatives who literally produce everything themselves.

At least Pond 5 tried something and I guess it clearly shows who their new target market is, I just don't really know if that market is the one with the deep pockets, a few Youtubers might be rich but the viewers?.

Could they have not picked a different Youtuber though?  Perhaps someone who is actually funny? maybe https://www.youtube.com/user/gunnarolla/videos

« Reply #185 on: May 05, 2016, 06:54 »
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That person has 82,000 subscribers, so I can see why they would want to go with the one with 2.8 million just on the numbers.  There's a lot of people wanting to make it big on youtube and it would seem likely that some of them might end up as Pond5 customers.

SquirrelPower

« Reply #186 on: May 05, 2016, 07:06 »
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That person has 82,000 subscribers, so I can see why they would want to go with the one with 2.8 million just on the numbers.  There's a lot of people wanting to make it big on youtube and it would seem likely that some of them might end up as Pond5 customers.

Based on those numbers yea it probably makes sense, hopefully some of those people become customers and maybe sales start happening again at Pond 5. Sales have been at or near zero for two full months there now. 

« Reply #187 on: May 07, 2016, 22:40 »
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Pond 5 has gone mad. Even with different upload batches they review them in one shot and end up rejecting 70% of the batch. This is when SS already has them selected and has already gotten me a few sales till then

« Reply #188 on: May 08, 2016, 07:49 »
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Pond 5 has gone mad. Even with different upload batches they review them in one shot and end up rejecting 70% of the batch. This is when SS already has them selected and has already gotten me a few sales till then

"Join the world's most artist-friendly community today"... says on P5 ad banner.  (attached)
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Try it to believe it!   

« Reply #189 on: May 08, 2016, 12:21 »
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Yes and motion elements covered the Asian market for me ...  :-X

« Reply #190 on: May 13, 2016, 05:23 »
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Different situation here: in my last batch, about 100 clips, 96% accepted.
But still, who care about being accepted or rejected if sales have totally disappeared?

« Reply #191 on: May 13, 2016, 05:42 »
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I think the reason why P5 is now utterly dead is because customers are only buying within the subscription thingy for peanuts.
Let's take an average typical small buyer: he was buying maybe 60 clips a year, at an average of $70 each. $2,100 was going to the artists and the same to Pond 5.
Now that same small buyer can get his 60 clips from the subscription crap for about $500 per year. P5 still has to pay the peanuts fee to the artists that accepted the blackmail, so let's say P5 keeps about $350 a year from that customer instead of $2,100. The artists get practically nothing.
So the idiots at P5 are getting now 15% of what they were getting before from each customer, at the same time artists have no reason whatsoever to upload there, since there are practically no sales outside the pathetic membership thing
« Last Edit: May 13, 2016, 06:57 by Brightontl »

« Reply #192 on: May 13, 2016, 08:54 »
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Some artists said there was a glitch where they saw their files in the membership program being downloaded 35 times a day.

Imagine how much money they would make if they had decided to offer their files themselves for 8 dollars and pond5 had an "8 dollar files" membership program with a filter button in their search to highlight these files.

The artist would get paid for every individual download, instead of 50 cents a month and nothing more.

I am surprised that there arent more people demanding real time sales data for the new subs program. Because pond5 obviously has the information.
« Last Edit: May 13, 2016, 09:01 by cobalt »

« Reply #193 on: May 13, 2016, 09:19 »
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Some artists said there was a glitch where they saw their files in the membership program being downloaded 35 times a day.

Imagine how much money they would make if they had decided to offer their files themselves for 8 dollars and pond5 had an "8 dollar files" membership program with a filter button in their search to highlight these files.

The artist would get paid for every individual download, instead of 50 cents a month and nothing more.

I am surprised that there arent more people demanding real time sales data for the new subs program. Because pond5 obviously has the information.
This is exactly the whole point of the situation: the almost totality of sales have moved to the bloody membership rip off, which operates free of artist royalty.
I am not only talking about Pond 5 sales, but most footage downloads from other agencies too.
The situation is extremely dangerous and can be the nail on the coffin for the footage market: via the memberhip pond 5 gets about 15% of the income that was getting thorough regular sales.
The only way for pond 5 to survive is to multiply their customer base by at least 5 times. So they will certainly try to increase the number of files on offer on the deadly membership. If they do, the market for footage will be definitely murdered

« Reply #194 on: May 13, 2016, 09:26 »
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Well, somebody has to give them the content, right?

But unless the artists have real time sales data, how will they know if it is worth it for them?

This is a trial phase, nobody knows how pond5 will expand the program. Obviously the customers would love to have unlimited downloads or very high numbers for a subs program.

And will pond5 even continue to pay 50 cents? What if they only offer 30 cents a month, but will take more files?

It can still be an interesting option, but I dont understand why they dont give the artist real time sales stats.

« Last Edit: May 13, 2016, 09:30 by cobalt »

« Reply #195 on: May 13, 2016, 13:40 »
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Sorry Cobalt, but I don't understand your point.
Unless I misunderstand, the artists gave full use of their clips to p5 for the ridiculous amount of 50c per month, thus surrendering their entire portfolio, as no customer are going to buy anything outside the membership, since they can have 300.000 good clips for peanuts.
Why should the artists care about real time sales, since they have already been paid that stupid amount?
And why on earth p5 should disclose their sales on the membership area, since they basically have the full use of those clips?

« Reply #196 on: May 13, 2016, 17:01 »
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Its a test phase for all sides involved.

In a balanced relationship, or lets  say the old pond5, would give you proper information to be able to evaluate if the system works.

Why would anyone add more content, if they cant get data to compare results?

Also renting out 6000 files a month that never sold might be a good offer for many, so I dont think that the idea to rent content just by itself is wrong.

It all depends on how it is implemented.

What I dont understand is why so many people place expensive content into the program. But it is their choice.

I also offer photos for 30 cents or 600 dollars, but not usually not side by side.
« Last Edit: May 13, 2016, 17:03 by cobalt »

SquirrelPower

« Reply #197 on: May 13, 2016, 17:33 »
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Some artists said there was a glitch where they saw their files in the membership program being downloaded 35 times a day.

There was a glitch for one day and that was the only glimpse that some got to see how many times their clips in the program are being downloaded.

One thing to remember is people will download when it's not costing them extra but they won't download and buy that many at the standalone regular full price.

SquirrelPower

« Reply #198 on: May 13, 2016, 17:35 »
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What I dont understand is why so many people place expensive content into the program. But it is their choice.

The pond 5 people hand picked and chose the files that went into the program, the artists didn't select specific files, they opted in and gave permission but it was pond 5 curators that went and picked the clips.

« Reply #199 on: May 14, 2016, 01:34 »
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I didn't know that there is a way to see how many times a file been
Downloaded...
How is it possible?


 

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