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1076
Freepik and ss now have much in common  8)
And yes we must turn off imagery faster, coz they profit 3 times faster.

I have seen now that the group
https://www.facebook.com/groups/261369748434285
has a new administrator: a brand ambassador of Freepik!!
Unacceptable for me.

The Freepik brand ambassador is gone and Jake is trying to put back together the rift his inclusion started.

Jake is a video producer and new-ish to this so didn't have a clue just what a toxic issue Freepik was. He's trying to regroup & move forward.

1077
Didn't he just disable them?
Disabling means that they are not available for licensing/sales but are still kept on the servers, right? So once you re-enable it in the acciun t settings, they should normally come back all, correct?

Not that I'm planning to re-enable my port anytime soon, just for information.

Correct. I did that in 2011 when I left iStock exclusivity & returned to being an independent. All my old accounts were still there, including Shutterstock

1078
Shutterstock.com / Re: Shutterstock just became iStock 2.0
« on: June 10, 2020, 00:40 »
A couple Facebook groups to join to link up with folks dedicated to pushing back on the Shutterstock commission cut. We're stronger unified.

Stock Submitter Coalition: https://www.facebook.com/groups/261369748434285/
...

This is the group that Jake Sorenson started. He'd asked me to help with moderation, which I have been.

This evening I removed myself as moderator when I saw (after another member complained about it) that the "Brand Ambasador" for Freepik Antonio Gravante had joined the group and been made an admin by Jake this morning.

I want nothing to do with Freepik - my concern is that somehow they are hoping to benefit from all this work leaving Shutterstock.

Jake is suggested that no one else was volunteering and Antonio did, so it's all good...

If you have an opinion, now'd be a great time to voice it. I think this will split the group

1079
Adobe Stock / Re: Payout Interval for Adobe
« on: June 09, 2020, 16:02 »
I request my payment at the beginning of each month and am paid regularly.

I think they mean literally from your first sale, so this is a condition that applies only to the first payout and probably is to stop scams where there's masses of downloads of your own content from fake credit cards (or something like that).

1081
They tried to get into the stock licensing business. It made me one license ages ago & nothing since.

1082
...Either way, I'm not coming back unless everything goes back exactly the way it was before OR better. I'll also take better. But for sure won't be accepting even a 1% paycut. No bargaining.

SOOO now you'll have to buy Luigi, the world famous pizza chef, elsewhere  ;D

Do you mind if I tweet about this - with a link to your Adobe Stock portfolio & a screenshot of Luigi from your port there? We have a #NoLongerAtShutterstock and #BoycottShutterstock "promo" campaign going :)

1083
Saga continues:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKtuS6gN9-FDw7KsUYWazkg/discussion

The Digital Media Licensing Association You Tube account is a channel with 8 subscribers. It really isn't going to make any difference posting there.

I'm not even sure that the organization has any heft - i.e. if no one pays any attention to them anyway, why do we care (beyond them giving us that F- presentation from Stan "walk before you can run" Pavlovsky)

1084
It's like herding cats, trying to keep a group of independent stock artists focused & together :(

I hope that anyone thinking that they can just stay and upload more to make up the difference (someone on the Stock Submitter Coalition said exactly that) does a little math. This is what I posted in reply to them

You cannot fix this royalty cut by uploading more.

Look at the worst case where you used to get 38 and now you only get 10. You now need an additional 2.8 times the downloads - almost three times your current downloads!

Buyers won't want more images - not three times more images anyway - just because Shutterstock slashed royalties.

So your only way out of this pickle, if you really believe you can do this, is to be so much better and more relevant than your fellow contributors that you can siphon off their downloads to get the multiple you need to keep your income.

Don't even think about growing your income - you'll do well to just run in place.

Do the math. You can't outrun this

1085
Shutterstock.com / Re: Shutterstock just became iStock 2.0
« on: June 08, 2020, 12:58 »
https://petapixel.com/2020/06/08/is-this-the-end-of-microstock-photography/

Surprisingly seems pretty biased, have put in a comment to clear the air, would request that others drop them a comment as well. Maybe we can get an edited version thats more truthful


done

And I tweeted about the article earlier too

1086
Two more large portfolios are on their way out (I did ask both of them for their OK to tweet about it)

Iakov Filimonov

https://twitter.com/joannsnover/status/1269876164073418753

Samo Trebizan

https://twitter.com/joannsnover/status/1269879193392656384

1087
I disabled my portfolio May 31/June 1 and have left my portfolio name and message alone.

If anyone wants to find my work they can google my name and the other agency sites will show up, so there's no need to direct anyone there. I am putting plugs for the other agencies into the tweets about #BoycottShutterstock, but that's it.

Arguably, a series of empty portfolio pages - a ghost town of names with no portfolios - might be an even more potent message. No one likes to eat in an empty restaurant - it feels weird; licensing images on a site where content from your lightbox isn't there any more and there are bunches of empty portfolio pages sends a loud and clear message to buyers.

1088
How this guy can actually talk so much utter rubbish for 20 minutes is mind numbing.

You're too kind :)

He's such a dull presenter too.

I do have a file with some priceless quotes though. Sounds like he saw a few strategy presentations after finishing his MBA and just regurgitated word salad.

Disruption blah blah blah platform economy blah blah blah engagement is the primary metric blah blah blah

This is him


1089
You can see the old profile through google cache.

But you can't see his likes.

True, but the tweets that are there provide some wonderful fodder to mock him with. I've taken some screenshots. For others who want to see the cache themselves through a google search, this is his old account URL

https://twitter.com/spavlovsky

https://twitter.com/joannsnover/status/1269652293571371008

If that weren't nuts enough, the genius has gone into hiding....

https://twitter.com/joannsnover/status/1269657449927065600

https://twitter.com/joannsnover/status/1269665037641060354

https://twitter.com/joannsnover/status/1269676905558499328

1090
I can't disable my portfolio as it's already disabled :)

We can keep harping on about the declining collection numbers - in spite of those who are still uploading (I looked at some this morning; the collection shrinks *in spite of* new uploads). This will capture all those who have already disabled their portfolios as well as those doing so June 15th

1091
I was wandering through the Wayback Machine to get some front-page counts of Shutterstock's images and "added weekly" numbers from earlier this year.

I was very surprised when I saw a big drop - 12,701,237 - on the afternoon of Feb 27 2020

That morning, the site said

Over 324,469,880 royalty-free images with 1,337,489 new stock images added weekly.

around 4pm it dropped to

Over 311,768,643 royalty-free images with 1,540,041 new stock images added weekly.

It then continued a steady climb up until recently :)

I wondered if there was some sort of contract that ended and they couldn't renew? It's such a big number.

This was not a one-day fluke; the numbers for the prior month had been climbing up from 319,604,978 on February 1 to 322,242,058 on Feb 15th and so on.

And as far as #BoycottShutterstock, one way to look at where we are today, is that we've wound the clock back to May 9th (so far). Or to Feb 23rd (when it was about the same number)



1092
I've read so many times that contributors thought nothing was happening until January 1 and then were horrified when they saw what was going on with June royalties.

The sharp slap in the face of 10 or 12 royalties for people who were feeling good 'cause they were level 4, 5 or 6 and thought they could ride out the year before deciding anything had a pretty dramatic effect.

That's very understandable i think. Just by reading the mail i also though it was going to be a raise for now. As it said i will get 35%, and it was known that Shutterstock used to pay out around 30% buyers' payments to contributors. (including subscriptions).
The email did not state that we won't be compensated for unused subscription quotas. 
So i thought i would get an around 16% pay rise till the end of the year, and a the first part of next year will be a bit worse

From the Shutterstock forums on May 26th, the day the email came out, by getting some questions answered, the picture was clear (Kate, the moderator, updated the original posts to spell out the details) that day for anyone who wanted to see. I've used screen grabs as some of my other posts were deleted and one never knows what may get "disappeared" over time


1093
I've read so many times that contributors thought nothing was happening until January 1 and then were horrified when they saw what was going on with June royalties.

The sharp slap in the face of 10 or 12 royalties for people who were feeling good 'cause they were level 4, 5 or 6 and thought they could ride out the year before deciding anything had a pretty dramatic effect.

1094
Shutterstock.com / Re: What does Shutterstock really want?
« on: June 06, 2020, 11:48 »
...On about June 2/3, it became apparent that content was declining faster than it was increasing.  Possibly for the first time since SS came into business (This is an assumption, not an investigated fact)

I've been keeping track since the evening of June 2nd. Since then they've lost 1.7 million images (add to that whatever the uploads are which I have no insight into). They are dropping the number day by day that they say they are adding - it was 171,000 a day and now they say 160,400 a day

Numbers remaining 4pm June 5th and the change since 5pm June 2nd. Note that there is some overlap between illustrations and vectors, so the numbers don't add up

Photos
212,156,701   -1,322,077

Illustrations
111,156,382   -  510,107

Vector
69,675,150   -  302,972

All
324,066,312   -1,720,141

Jo Ann, I don't see any video in your report.
I think a lot of the videos are also disappearing from their servers.
It would be interesting to know how many.

Videos are disappearing, but I haven't been tracking them as I don't sell video :)

There is a guy who has started collecting data via a bot and has posted the results in the Facebook group Jake Sorenson started. He was tracking just the total, but I asked him about tracking individual content types - because I'd seen some odd times where all the individual types showed a decrease but the total (as shown by shutterstock when you selected "All images") was unchanged.

Here are his numbers yesterday evening

==> footage <==
Fri Jun 5 04:00 CEST 2020 : 18788305
Fri Jun 5 06:00 CEST 2020 : 18789157
Fri Jun 5 08:00 CEST 2020 : 18780447
Fri Jun 5 10:00 CEST 2020 : 18775951
Fri Jun 5 12:00 CEST 2020 : 18774347
Fri Jun 5 14:00 CEST 2020 : 18774296
Fri Jun 5 16:00 CEST 2020 : 18775593
Fri Jun 5 18:00 CEST 2020 : 18776547
Fri Jun 5 20:00 CEST 2020 : 18777780
Fri Jun 5 22:00 CEST 2020 : 18778295
Sat Jun 6 00:00 CEST 2020 : 18779293
SUM: -9012

So there were 9,012 videos gone in a day

1095


The links work but you can't download the image. Click the download button and you'll see a message "There was an issue with your request. Please try again, or Contact us if you need further assistance"

This just isn't an issue. There is no need to delete images - disabling the portfolio works

Can you tell me if it will be sufficient to rehabilitate the sale for the recovery of the portfolio?
Obviously if there were positive news for us collaborators from SS
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I am not sure I understand the question.

If the question is whether you can turn your images back on again and resume sales, I did that once before in 2011 after I returned to being independent following 3 years as an iStock exclusive. It worked fine then, and I assume it does not, but my portfolio is currently "off" so I haven't tested it in 2020

1096
Thanks, that probably settles it

Btw..

When I click download I get create your free account note and red username and psw fields event though Im allready logged in as contributor in same browser.

But that window wants you to register as buyer. Buyer and contributor accounts are not connected in any ways

I have a buyer account and a contributor account. You can do both so you can see both sides of the Shutterstock site.

I was referring to what happens when logged in to my buyer account

1097
Just disabled everything. It means stock is more or less pointless for me now - well, it has been since June 1, with something like a 60% cut in commission earnings (thanks for the birthday present, SS!)....

Glad to see you - sad it's for this reason.

There are lots of charts that explain the new royalties if you care to dig into the details, but the bottom line is that it's a massive royalty cut and they're siphoning off contributor earnings to fund expensive CEOs & other execs, a 17 a share dividend later this month, and better-looking profit numbers to keep Wall Street happy when they announce their Q2 earnings some time in early August.

Stan Pavlovsky (new CEO) should go back to being a financial analyst as he's useless as a strategist. I hope Jon Oringer is having sleepless nights wondering if he's turning Shutterstock into another of the failed businesses that he used to say were the only "jobs" he'd had before starting Shutterstock.

It's all shameful. Check the #BoycottShutterstock hashtag on twitter if you want to read more about people who are doing what you're doing and disabling their portfolios in protest. There's a chance this may make changes happen, but at least it sends a signal to the remaining agencies that snatching from contributor royalties is a very bad idea :)

1098
Your image shows up in my buyer's account. So yes, I believe that I'm able to license your image right now if I wanted to.

No - did you try to click the download button? You'll get a message that says

"There was an issue with your request. Please try again, or Contact us if you need further assistance"

1099
Just a question...

I disabled my portfolio and if you follow the SS link in my signature you can see that there are no active images there.
Also in SS search engine the images dont show up.

But, the links to the images are still working, so the are accessible from pinterest or google search etc.

So I am wondering if they will eventually vanish in a while, are they being counted as active images in SS database, can they still be downloaded?

For example:

https://www.shutterstock.com/image-illustration/computer-designed-highly-detailed-grunge-frame-88245046

If the count of my images i already 0 this link shouldn't be working.

What is the situation for you that disabled your portfolio before, are your image links still working ?

The links work but you can't download the image. Click the download button and you'll see a message "There was an issue with your request. Please try again, or Contact us if you need further assistance"

This just isn't an issue. There is no need to delete images - disabling the portfolio works

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I checked the internet archive's Wayback machine to see if they had anything from his old account, but they didn't (they don't grab twitter feeds as often and he didn't post much). I'd have loved it if we could have kept some screen shots...

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