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General Stock Discussion / Re: Own Your Own Stock Agency!
« on: June 13, 2012, 09:06 »
Maybe Shutterstock could buy it if that IPO still ever goes ahead :)

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: a new personal worst
« on: June 12, 2012, 13:04 »
Ok ok you guys win, looks like this is the wrong place say anything negative about subs.  It feels more and more like it's the wrong place to talk about anything of interest to me, have fun guys.

The OP was nothing whatsover to do with subs. It was you who was so determined to manufacture, despite the total irrelevance to the OP, an artificial introduction of the subject.

With respect. Just because you say it is irrelevant that does not mean that it actually is irrelevant..

I do think it is fair to make a comparison between tiny pictures occassionally being sold or peanuts vs large resolution images routinely being sold for almost peanuts.

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Alamy.com / Re: Submission Question Please
« on: June 08, 2012, 05:42 »
OK - having just re read the email I can more or less answer this:

Content uploaded to the news feed is live for 48 hours (assuming it is not rejected as not news worthy) before being transferred to the stock collection. After the 48 hours images which are less than 24 MB uncompressed will fail QC automatically (this is from the new feed invite email). i.e. images less than 24 MB uncompressed can live for 48 hours in the news feed but will not transfer to the stock collection.

From this I am fairly certain that archival is a completely different upload route. Although I have never tested the news upload route. But archival images would not make the news feed anyhow. My understanding is that the more relaxed QC requirements around archival content relate to them not necessarily needing to be re touched, spotted for dust etc. So, for example, a company could upload a significant old archive without each image having to be individually retouched. It would be for the buyer to do that.

As I posted - I seemed to more or less get automatically accepted into the news thing. Are you sure you didn't get the same email ? I have only an handful of RM images with them anyhow. And several of those were just me testing the upload process.

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Alamy.com / Re: Submission Question Please
« on: June 08, 2012, 05:16 »
If your slides are old, you might use the archival route, where the technical standards are lower.
http://www.alamy.com/Blog/contributor/archive/2010/04/23/4812.aspx
I'm not sure whether you can apply for that straight away or whether you have to wait to be invited to the News/archival uploads route.


"News/archival uploads route" - news and archival are two different routes aren't they ?

My account was enabled for uploading to the news feed a while back  (I'm guessing that more or less everyone gets on that automatically sooner or later) - but that seems to be completely different from the archival thing which I think you actually have to apply to.

edit: I think that the news thing has been expanded since the link you posted was fresh. I did not apply - and for now at least news is not on my to-do list. Though obviously I am always interested what the different sites are doing and what opportunities exist.

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Off Topic / Re: Getty apparently condones image theft
« on: June 07, 2012, 10:10 »
It's not a performance piece.

It's art. Whether you like it or not is a different and subjective issue. Personally I quite like it conceptually - and I definitely like how it looks.

Personally lots of crafty stuff and most contemporary watercolors bore the ***s off me. But other people like that kind of thing. Which is fine too.

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Off Topic / Re: Getty apparently condones image theft
« on: June 07, 2012, 09:52 »
the most striking example of all this is youtube quickly removing videos of champions league matches, while not giving a sh-it about all the other stolen music videos ! so it's fair use to post stolen lady gaga stuff but not for SKY's champions league ?? talk about double standards ...

You know that the music industry has done a bunch of deals with YouTube. The music industry loves YouTube.

YouTube is a great way of creating an audience - it's what MTV once was. And it's a global platform in an era when many people have almost given up watching old fashioned TV.

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3 problems with this very bad advice:

1. How do you know that the website or blog has not licensed your RF image legitimately from your agent ? Even at a site like Pinterest there may be users who have licensed your RF image.

2. There is a good chance that sending out these sorts of letters will result in your Paypal account being suspended. At least pending further investigation.

3.  It is the job of your agent to liaise with clients. If you are not happy that your agent is doing enough then you need to address the issue to them.

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Dreamstime.com / Re: Dreamstime and Pinterest
« on: June 06, 2012, 08:50 »
I did the search, as you said, and yes, I do see different results. But I still see only 1 page of posts. Isn't there any way to see ALL images that have been pinned from DT? In other words, if you do a search for an image on DT, the search returns say 20 images, but then there are more page numbers to click. Nothing like that on Pinterest?

As you scroll down the results it should load more automatically. Unless you have scripting turned off.

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Off Topic / Re: Getty apparently condones image theft
« on: June 06, 2012, 07:58 »
No it wouldn't.

FYI nor does an Internet cafe need to buy a licence when people who have paid to use its services browse Flickr.

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Off Topic / Re: Getty apparently condones image theft
« on: June 06, 2012, 07:32 »
This thread should win some sort of special industry award. Getty is not "condoning image theft".

You are allowed to print out the Internet and arrange it in piles if you want.

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I've seen lots of rain forest stuff with great contrast - the stuff I am thinking of was likely shot on E6 and Kodachrome I would guess. But I do not see any reason why stuff shot today with good lenses and processing would look much different.

You should try and get a shot of an ape and a monkey shaking hands.

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I see that nowadays if you type in one you get 'do you want?' and each as separate options ... which is at least as unscientific as would be keywording 'orange' and getting asked 'did you mean?' orange or lime.

Granted there is a modern strict scientific English language distinction but in common use the words 'ape' and 'monkey' are interchangeable. Same in French for example. Unless someone is a scientist. And if they are they can look through the results easily enough for something specific. The CV approach seems to recognise both angles. Which is a big positive thing.

The CV is sometimes imperfect but in this case I believe that being overly pedantic would make it less useful.

but as that would be in deep forest, iStock would likely reject it for 'poor light' anyway).

I doubt that they would if it was well exposed.

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Which has the unexpected consequence that ape and monkey can't be properly separated in the CV, as the Italians have the same word for both.  >:(

I do not understand what you mean. 'Ape' and 'Monkey' are both separately in the CV under 'Primate'.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Paypal payment mess up
« on: May 29, 2012, 13:29 »
I find it breathtaking etc

Me, I'm reserving breathtaking for things which are more exciting than an clerical accounting error.

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As most people are probably aware, iStockphoto is planning to move E+ files to the main Getty site. If that works as well as the Vetta transfer then it is likely to mean considerable extra income for many contributors. Perhaps they will do the same with Photo+ at some point. In which case I would guess that would be quite a thing for many contributors.

This SS exclusivity thing is pure speculation too. So my totally speculative guess is that if it were to happen it would be the work of a small number of top drawer factory style contributors effectively under contract for new work. That might genuinely represent a signature premium collection.

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Off Topic / Re: Pinterest anyone?
« on: May 26, 2012, 11:16 »
The issues that matter are around commercial use.

If you disrupt or try to  kill Pinterest there will be an alternative Pinterest somewhere else. Because it is a strong idea with its own inevitable momentum. So what matters is how the agencies can become involved and to find ways of working with it - and making it work for them. That may very well be about better image tracking in some cases.

If millions of people like something and many of them are opinion and trend makers then the thing to do is to find ways of making it work or you.

ETA: it is a pity that this thread is getting trolled from both people who are for and against the thing. Somewhere in the middle is normally where the sensible conversation is normally taking place.

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Off Topic / Re: Pinterest anyone?
« on: May 26, 2012, 03:34 »
A few years ago Google Images was full of results direct from iStockphoto. For more or less any stock photo search.

Today much less so. Is that a good thing ? I believe that many people would prefer that iStockphoto would again be better represented at Google Images. The probably reasonable assumption being that this helps push sales. Equally my guess is that the only thing worse than having your images pinned is going to be not having your images pinned. It is important that the agencies work to be on the inside track here. Rather than picking fights, they need to make it work for them.

One thing I am curious about however. In one of the Jonathan Klein interviews he seemed to hint towards collecting based on page impressions or traffic. I wonder what the model for that would be from the artists' perspective.

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It only works in English ? No other languages ?

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: iStock IPO (or actually Getty)
« on: May 23, 2012, 14:27 »
me, I'm holding out for the Pinterest IPO :)

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: iStock IPO (or actually Getty)
« on: May 23, 2012, 13:51 »
You mean Getty's track record of screwing the business when it was last public ... or their recent track record with Istock? I wouldn't touch Getty stock with the proverbial bargepole.

Well then, with respect (you are one of the best posters), you are going with your heart rather than investing by rules. In both cases it depends upon the numbers and, specifically, ultimately the price. Let's not forget that Getty is a portfolio of brands across various image sectors and has revenues of almost $1bn in a market which is said to be currently worth $3bn. SS is a great company which everyone admires - but it has revenues of only appx $100m and is only represented in one sector of the market. These are two great companies.

The problem which Getty previously faced was that the stock had risen on the back of unrealistic sentiment in a bubble market.

In contrast SS/Oringer has an unblemished track record of growth

Again it is down to the price. Those growth numbers are going to need some rationalisation. because on the face of it they have been spending money buying market share whilst earnings have barely increased. Their customers are costing them money. Potential investors are going to need to know that these revenues can be sustained when that degree of spending is reduced. Because ultimately it is about earnings and not revenues.

^ this is comment and a different perspective not bait :)

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: iStock IPO (or actually Getty)
« on: May 23, 2012, 04:22 »
Did Corbis ever make any money yet ? For years it was run at a loss IIRC.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: iStock IPO (or actually Getty)
« on: May 22, 2012, 15:27 »
Blimey... is it IPO season or something?

Must be. Facebook started it and that's going really well. Not.

It went well for Facebook. They (the company) got their money.

And you could say that the banks got the price right even though it has subsequently dropped. The argument being that if the stock had ended massively up on the day - then Facebook could have got more for it.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: SS IPO - It's Done
« on: May 22, 2012, 13:55 »
Unless he exclusively sells them his new site for some of that IPO money :)

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Off Topic / Re: Pinterest anyone?
« on: May 22, 2012, 03:56 »
piccsy is another photo sharing / discovery site which is being compared to Pinterest - and which has been generating a bit of buzz recently.

Bruce Livingstone is involved and frequently mentioned in the PR although it is not his company.

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Image Sleuth / Re: Microsoft's new pinterest clone !!
« on: May 21, 2012, 14:46 »
I'm thinking of starting an antisocial network for people who hate the internet. Complete with a dislike button obviously.

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