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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Vetta Sale at iStock
« on: December 08, 2010, 05:58 »

Bit OT but there was a programme on TV the other night about the food production industry, it mentioned that one of the biggest growth products within that industry reached a profit margin of 17% which apparently is astronomically high within the industry, on average food producers aim to reach a 15% profit.

Yes, that series has been very interesting, and while I've been watching this, I've been thinking about the iStock shenanigans.
The bit I found most interesting is all the lies they told about 'scientifically proven benefits', and when that was investigated and found to be untrue, and they had to take it off their advertising, it didn't matter, as it had burned into the public subconscious anyway.
I'm glad I seldom see adverts!

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Vetta Sale at iStock
« on: December 08, 2010, 05:41 »
And it's also pretty demotivational when an image is at best match position 83 less than 24 hours after being accepted into the collection. Even though best match changes FTTT, that file is effectively DOA.
On the other scale, when Vetta was introduced, there was a rule that files had to have under 100 sales to qualify. I had one particular file which had gone to about 109 (can't remember exactly), so I didn't submit it for consideration. That file is now buried in best match below many other Vetta files uploaded since then, many of which I don't see as being 'better' than mine.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Vetta Sale at iStock
« on: December 08, 2010, 05:25 »
I don't think the RC system is perfect or even great by any means...but I think it is slightly more fair in theory than canister levels. maybe not in terms of the levels they've set...and I'm hoping those will be modified if contributors aren't making their targets.
Which can only be in terms of the 'bell curve' they have set for each cannister level.

I wish someone would explain in very simple terms, for one mathematically challenged, why 'profitablity' is better than 'profit'. I've seen it explained here, but I'm afraid it didn't make sense, probably because I worked all my life in the public sector.

Here's my problem, which shows how challenged I am.
If I were looking at two companies,
One has a profit margin of 20% and has a profit of 100,000 per annum
The other has a profit margin of 50% and has a profit of 80,000 per annum.
Why isn't the first company the better off?

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Vetta Sale at iStock
« on: December 08, 2010, 05:18 »

that does not speak to quality of your work, which we all agree is great I'm sure. nor does it speak to your knowledge, which I'm the first to say you have a great deal of and which you share very generously. but if I forget it is you in the example...there are many higher canister levels who reached diamond--the second to highest canister level--simply by whittling away at it for a few years. that's okay, but why should they get the same income as a contributor producing hundreds of files per month, and therefore generating income with more downloads (assuming the quality is there).


They wouldn't have the same income. If someone has a tiny number of super selling files (I've seen at least one diamond with fewer than 50 files) they're hardly 'working their butt off', but they are garnering loads of money for iStock.
If someone isn't producing the quality/quantity ratio, they're already getting less money because they have fewer sales. Someone with a higher quantity/quality ratio earns more because they have more sales.
This artificial 'bell curve' whereby only a certain number of people can reach each percentage point is totally demotivational. If it's 'motivating' it's only making people produce more and more, which benefits the site at a lower percentage, but only a set percentage of people can get the higher percentages. The bell curve is such an outdated model (we learned it in teacher training college in the 70s; I never heard about it since). Nowadays it's all about co-operation, at least within a business.
Bear in mind, that once a file has been inspected and is added to the collection, its overhead is tiny. This isn't like a traditional business. A few years ago (before they banned chocolate in schools) I ran a fair trade snack stall at interval in school. The profit was essentially a flat 10%. I mentioned that to a class, and one of the pupils came back a few days later and said her father wanted to know how on earth I could get as much profit as that, as he was running a (small, independent) shop on a lower profit margin. (my stall was raising money for school children in Malawi and had no overheads apart from buying the stock.) Watch my lips: lower than 10%. Of course, the family wasn't living in a luxury Manhattan apartment, but the three children were well dressed and well cared for. On less than 10%.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Istock F5 epic fail
« on: December 07, 2010, 18:07 »
Lobo on Sunday, while locking the 'Contributers underpaid twice' thread:
"How about we get another thread going early next week on ETAs regarding the things talked about in this thread. "

Lobo today while locking a thread asking for an update:
"We will start a thread this week, like I said."

Whoops, what happened to 'early'?
Time is a long-term (whatever that means) moving goalpost in iStockland.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Vetta Sale at iStock
« on: December 07, 2010, 18:02 »
Lisa - in reply to your other question...adjusting the RC targets downward is good...isn't it? Andrew's just said they won't be adjusted up. meaning, if anything, if people aren't reaching targets en masse, they'll adjust the targets to be more reasonable.

translation, they want to see contributors producing. that's my take anyways.
I don't think they will raise targets for this year, unless they're trying to get rid of loads of contributers; and if they wanted to do that, they'd just do it.
What they do in the future, who can tell.
As Susan says, we can't take their 'word' at face value. Even if they genuinely mean it at the time, tomorrow, next week, next month, who knows?
The RC targets are very demotivational. I've no chance of reaching the 35% target, and my uploads of the past 18 months aren't selling, so it doesn't seem worth the effort, so if they want to see the humble minions producing, they've gone a funny way about it.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Vetta Sale at iStock
« on: December 07, 2010, 14:24 »
I see that RM has posted, "If more people than we anticipate are going to miss the targets... then we'll adjust the targets. These bonus RCs aren't connected to that."
So ~ What on Earth is the point of the bonus RCs, then?

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Vetta Sale at iStock
« on: December 07, 2010, 12:37 »
@ Stacey:
on the iStock forum, on which I can't reply, you posted:
"does this pave the way that all sales will result in lowered royalties garnered by contributors? I hate to use the publishing industry as a positive example, because for the most part it isn't a fun industry, but at least when an author gets royalties....their royalties aren't reduced if a book is sold at a discount."
We have always had lowered royalties from all iStock sales and discounts. At least, always since I've been a member there (four years).

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Alamy.com / Re: Extra Form Fields - Do You Use Them?
« on: December 07, 2010, 11:53 »
I've always meant to say to you... I love that Leonard Cohen quote at the bottom of your posts.  One of my favourite all-time quotes - and one I need to keep in mind often  :D
And 'there wiz me' thinking no-one had noticed!  ::)

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Vetta Sale at iStock
« on: December 07, 2010, 10:26 »
okay. so let me see if I understand this... can someone help me out here?

1) have they fixed the 10% thing and made back payments yet? (I am not affected by this, but just wondering)

2) This "sale" results in small savings for buyers which means reduced commission to the contributors.  But hopefully offset by more sales.

3) double RC is only on the Vetta images, yes?  and, they don't show up right away, they'll add them later. 
"I'll gladly you pay you tomorrow for a cheeseburger today"


1. No;  2 Yes and in theory, yes;  3. Yes and yes.

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Alamy.com / Re: Extra Form Fields - Do You Use Them?
« on: December 07, 2010, 06:32 »
@Rubyroo
Keywording at Alamy is a total nightmare for me. iStock: easypeasy, Alamy: what?
Here is the Alamy page with the info you need:
http://www.alamy.com/contributor/help/captions-keywords-descriptions.asp
(be aware that some of the info isn't fully accurate)
If you're used to using a controlled vocabulary, be very aware that Alamy doesn't have one.
Also, they don't have 'keyword phrases' as such.
So I've had search anomalies such as:
A search on someone called "Elizabeth House" threw up one of my photos of a house. My pseudonym has my Sunday Name, Elizabeth as well as my surname, so as I had the essential keyword 'house', my photo showed up on a search for "Elizabeth House". If your pseudonym is your real name, and your surname happens to be something like Glasgow or London, maybe it would be good to change your pseudo.
I had 11 hits last week on a search for 'the band great end' - I guess there's a band called 'Great End' - my photos were of  different bands (essential keywords) playing at the West End festival in Great Britain (recommended as an addition to UK, as without a CV, there's no way of guessing which a buyer will search on).
Without a CV, my photos of the little place called Otter Ferry (essential keywords) often shows up in searches for Otter. Last week one search was "otter NOT oriental NOT SEA NOT seaotter NOT eurasian NOT american NOT european [RM] [Land] [FS]"
There's a current forum discussion about the 'keyword phrase' issue:
http://www.alamy.com/forums/default.aspx?g=posts&t=9446
Good luck!

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Istock F5 epic fail
« on: December 07, 2010, 05:34 »

Funny and ironic.

Mr Thompson complaining about Microsoft bugs on twitter.

Why #Microsoft will never get it: http://yfrog.com/5rsjf0p The no anti-aliasing for text under 8 pt still isn't fixed in Mac Office 2011


Please, please tell me that that's not him, or someone has hacked into this account or something.
I just can't believe that he would have the brass neck to post that.
If it really was him, I'm very, very afraid.  :o :( :'(

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iStockPhoto.com / Vetta Sale at iStock
« on: December 06, 2010, 18:34 »
Wouldn't you hate to be a spin doctor at iStock.
http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=279912&page=1#post5318352
Basically, iStock is offering a sale of Vetta files until the end of December, but 'sweetening the blow' by doubling RCs on Vetta sales during the Sale.
So I guess that's Good News for the Buyers, and for those Exclusives who are near to their next RC target and who have a lot of good-selling Vettas.
No news for non-exclusives and exclusives with no Vettas, or none which sell within that time.
Bad news for exclusives who sell Vettas during the Sale, but aren't near their next target, as they're getting less $$$ and the extra RCs won't make a scrap of difference.
As I'm nowhere near the Gold Target (but over 9,500 dls), I'm definitely a Boo-hoo not a woo-way on this one.
Added: they can work out the code for this, but not to pay us our missing 10%, for several weeks. Ha!

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Alamy.com / Re: Extra Form Fields - Do You Use Them?
« on: December 06, 2010, 08:21 »
You made me look a bit harder Sue... as far as I can see, only the caption field is asterisked as 'mandatory'.

I've never completed the location fields, and everything is either 'on sale' or 'ready'.  I'm using the 'old version' of the manage images feature.  
Oh, that's interesting, I thought that caption, essential keywords and location were all mandatory. I've just looked and see that you're right.
Don't know where I got that idea from. Thanks!

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Alamy.com / Re: Extra Form Fields - Do You Use Them?
« on: December 06, 2010, 07:34 »
Thanks Sue, that's helpful to know.   The location issue - yes you're right.  If other studio shooters are completing that field it might well be throwing a spanner in the works...
I think something has to be entered into that field for the file to be 'ready', then 'on sale': even if just Scotland or USA, or, I guess, 'studio'.

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Alamy.com / Re: Extra Form Fields - Do You Use Them?
« on: December 06, 2010, 07:16 »
I only fill in fields (other than the required ones) if I feel I have information that needs to go into them. For example, I fill in the description field if I have more information than will go into the caption.
I do find it odd that the require location on every shot, as it's very easy to think of studio setups where the location is totally irrelevant, again contaminating a search. (If someone keys in New York or Edinburgh or Delhi, they don't want a studio shot of a still life that happened to be shot there.)

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: How to submit a stitched panorama to iStock
« on: December 06, 2010, 05:54 »
I suspect the inspectors have some sort of auto-program which throws up a warning if the pic is bigger than the stated dimensions of the camera. Or they all have a chart they automatically look at with each new images as part of the process.
Yes, you should say in the file description - but inspectors don't always read file descriptions. You could Scout your rejection, which could be a few days or a few weeks depending on how busy they are at the moment. You could post on the Critique forum and hope that some kind admin will see your post and pop your image back in the queue. Or you could resubmit with a big NOTE TO INSPECTOR at the top of your description and hope they see it.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Guest downloads
« on: December 05, 2010, 19:00 »
From a contributer's point of view, they're not a good thing, as if an image was found in a context which would have needed an extended licence, but none was purchased, you wouldn't be able to have them chased up so easily.

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Love it and good luck with it. Well done!

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Huh? Can they do it like this?
« on: December 04, 2010, 13:30 »
I'd hope at the very least they should explain in detail what exactly they're suspecting/accusing you of and give you a chance to prove your innocence.
But, sadly, I expect it's buried somewhere in their t&c that they can terminate your account at any time.  >:(
Ideal soution/pipedream: Then, when/if you establish your innocence, they should have to pay you e.g. the average pay per day of the two weeks surrounding your suspension for each day you were suspended, for goodwill.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Agency collection? oh! boy!
« on: December 03, 2010, 16:07 »

I didn't know you couldn't sell them as RM on other sites. I always thought that you just couldn't sell them on other microstock sites. Did it use to be you could, because it seems people have talked about having their images on Alamy.

As I understand it, Istock exclusives can sell RM elsewhere, but the images have to be completely different (and dissimilar) to the ones in their Istock portfolio.  Also they cannot be Istock rejects. 

Ok...that's where I got it from. It kinds sucks they can't sale rejects as RM. I could see that would be the case where they were similar, but a totally different subject, I wouldn't understand.  A lot of times those will sale elsewhere. Just glad I ain't exclusive and never will be... ;)
In practice, you can ask CR to release a rejected photo to be sold as RM. The strict rules about 'completely different and dissimilar' is for iStockers selling on Getty, though it could be considered 'doubtful practice' to sell 'very similar' shots elsewhere.

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SS used to sell modern buildings like hot cakes when I started in 2008. The rules have changed, but the old images remain in the database. From the major sites DT and IS still accept them but they usually do not sell in such volume as they did at SS.

The agencies should lobby for clearer and more photographer-friendly laws, as in Germany or Austria.
Like other things on iS, acceptance depends on the cautiousness of the inspector. I, and others, have had photos of the same thing accepted by one and rejected, or sent 'upstairs' to 'exectutive', which can take weeks. I've got one of two (horizonal and vertical) at executive just now, while the other was accepted (uploaded  few hours apart, so almost certainly different inspectors).

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Another happy buyer at iStock
« on: December 03, 2010, 07:40 »
So a buyer is leaving??  really, so what?  I recon theres hundereds of buyers leaving all over the place, swapping one agency for another and this is going on all the time, playing out each other. The only reason we hear about it, is because of the IS forum.
No big deal. Sorry.
The 'deal' is because of the way the buyer was treated, as if s/he had done something unethical.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Another happy buyer at iStock
« on: December 03, 2010, 05:59 »
@ Stacey ~
While you are of course, entitled to your opinion, even if clearly wrong (in it being a conflict of interest) consider this.
Contributors have been shafted and their complaints ignored. There were threads which ran to several thousands into which there was no input from TPTB. In fact, if it weren't for the recent thread about Franky de Meyer, I might have suspected that most of the admins and inspectors had resigned.
Buyers, even if also contributers, should expect a little more respect, and I have to say that if I were the OP, I'd demand a refund for my money and take it elsewhere. And as an exclusive, that could hurt me as much as it would hurt you. It would hurt Lobo not one iota, as he isn't a contributor, unless he also has another account (would that be a conflict of interest?).

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I don't shoot anything on vacation for stock.  Vacation is for not shooting for money.  Besides, who wants a picture of a random tree or wall?
You shoot walls on vacation? i suppose it makes a change from what you usually do.
I've always regarded travelling as my main shooting time, and nowadays for stock. But I never regarded it as a vacation. Even pre-stock I regarded it as 'working at a different job'.

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