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General Stock Discussion / Re: Was there a change Bigstock?
« on: December 06, 2011, 16:40 »
Hi All,

 Thanks for the feedback. In the letter it also said they will transfer every file I have at SS to Bigstock no editing. Still want to know if there are any other opinions thanks everyone.

Best,
Jonathan

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Was there a change Bigstock?
« on: December 06, 2011, 12:53 »
Hi All,

 I just got a letter from Shutterstock asking if I want to have all my Shutterstock images available on Big Stock as well. No charge they will move all the files over and sell through both ports. They said they are only offering this to their best selling photographers, I do okay but I can't imagine I am one of their top sellers. Did anyone else get this e-mail and if so what do you think about it. They say Big stock sells on credit basis as apposed to Shutterstocks sub model. Any feedback would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Jonathan

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Hi Click-Click,

 It has been a number that agencies have used for years to track their best selling photographers. Over time you start to find your work moving up in position because the agency sees your STR is high and they have a better chance of your work making them money. As I mentioned I don't know if it is the same with Micro because of the number of sales an individual image can make while others sit dormant. For the photographer all it really helps is to identify what is selling and what hasn't and stay away from your stuff that didn't sell well. One good concept shot 10 different ways can make you a lot more money than 10 different shots that don't meet your buyers needs.

Best,
Jonathan

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Hi rubyroo,

 I have never cleaned house once in 14 years. I just let the agency move my old stuff down a tier, I figure if they are out there and I spent time to get them there I just leave them, you never know when someone might buy that image but that is just me some people are very good at cleaning house. Thanks for the response.

Best,
Jonathan

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Hi All,

 Thanks for the feedback. Great numbers out there. I don't know if they are as applicable to Micro but in Macro agencies have used this tool to track their best photographers. In Micro when one image can sell 4,000 times I would imagine the Micro agencies just look at your overall sales but they might still use this tool as it does cost them money to add your images so they might be more likely to edit and support their photographers with the best STR. Also the size of your collection will alter this, if you have 20 files up for 7 years and 19 of them sell then you do have a 95% STR but that isn't much interest to the agency. But if you are like some of the people that posted high STR and you have a really large collections I would imagine your agency is happy and you are definitely doing it right.
 I know a great stock photographer he has been shooting stock for thirty years. He has a list of his top 1,000 themes that have always been his best sellers. He recreates that list every year with some changes to make it fit the times and lighting style changes but he still shoots the same 1,000 concept list and he makes more money than just about anyone I know in the industry. Not the way I work but I think it makes a great deal of sense and he has an amazing STR.

Thanks,
Jonathan

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Photo Critique / Re: Rejected for copyright of a beach house?!
« on: November 29, 2011, 22:31 »
Hi Race,

 I guess that was what I was trying to say and you put it much better. Not my house because I am on a private drive but yes you are absolutely right about the bill from before 1990 however, as time moves forward more and more homes fall under that law so you have to be sure that the building is at least built before 1990 or didn't have any major architectural design changes after 1990. My focus that was poorly explained was if you want your agency to make you sales on your image of private locations they will sell your work a lot more and take a lot more content if you get a property release.
  You can shoot houses from the street all day and they might sell to smaller buyers but the the big sales to the big buyers is going to be Property Released.
 Thanks for all your information you posted that is very helpful stuff and good for everyone to know. I have been following this subject for the past three years and from my experience the images we represent that are Property released sell much better and for much larger sales than the non property released images we represent.

Best,
Jonathan

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Photo Critique / Re: Rejected for copyright of a beach house?!
« on: November 29, 2011, 21:52 »
Hi Race,

 Yes, if you want that house to be sold to a buyer for a commercial use you have to have a property release please ask Getty they will tell you, it has to do with buyers security not the law. You can shoot an entire neighborhood but not one house on it's own. The same thing with a library, you can't shoot a single book but you can shoot an entire shelf of books. The same with groceries in a store, I can shoot the entire yogurt isle but if I focus on just Dannon for the shot that image cannot be used for commercial purposes. They will add it to the collection and add a catch line " This image is not property released but may not need one for certain uses " but this is not an open commercial license for the image. Check Getty talk to them they will tell you exactly what I am sharing.
 I just want to add that what the law is and what buyers are comfortable buying are completely different, for advertisers to use a photo of just my home for a commercial ad without my approval they would be looking at a law suit but that is just the U.S. because I live on a private road, I can't speak for other countries. So bottom line is if you want your image to sell and be in great demand you need a PR. You can still sell that image but not to most commercial buyers. All you need is one court case and I guarantee you you will change your view.


Cheers,
Jonathan

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Hi Everyone,

 I was curious if people are interested in sharing their sell through rate from Isotck. That is the percentage of your files that have sold at least once on the site in their lifetime. I have a 77% sell through rate if you want to share please add to the list.

Cheers,
Jonathan

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Photo Critique / Re: Rejected for copyright of a beach house?!
« on: November 28, 2011, 19:48 »
Hi All,

 Through my experience in stock photography I do not upload images of property that is not property released. If you shoot a house and do not have a property release the image can only be used for Editorial unless the buyer of the image is willing to take on a possible legal case. It is like anything you own down to your dog they all need property releases. If you are out shooting peoples homes for stock without a property release I would not be happy if it was my home. Just my two cents ALWAYS GET A PROPERTY RELEASE your image will make 20 times more sales if you have a property release.

Good Luck,
Jonathan Ross

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Thanks everyone,

 I just checked and mine are back to normal. Nice to know I wasn't the only one out there, I am glad it's fixed. If I need a question answered about Micro this is the best place to find the answer.

Thanks again,
Jonathan

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Hi Again,

 I just went back to my page and it has increased me to 19%. I think I will just wait to see if it is a bug. You might want to check your percentage today and see if it is changing on you. If they add more percentage I will stay quiet if they reduce I will speak up : )

Thanks,
Jonathan

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Hi All,

 I was wondering if any of you have had your credits dropped this weekend. I just pulled my page up and it says I am now getting 15% after I have already accumulated 40,000 credits which I thought was supposed to leave me at 18% for the coming year. Can anyone help out on this issue? I have sent Istock a message but have not heard back yet. Can anyone explain what happened did I not understand that I had a year to make it top 40,000 credits to keep my 18% but today I am at zero credits and a 15% return. Thanks in advance to anyone that can shed some light on this.

Cheers,
Jonathan

163
Hi Steve,

 Yes, We got many rejections from Istock where the other sites took about 98%. We are just now redoing the small details that did not meet the QC needs at Istock and re-subitting. They are passing the second time through, most were to do with things like name tags we created to make shots more authentic we have gone in and removed the fake hospital names to meet Istocks requirements.
 Mostly quick fixes but I haven't had the man power to get it done until now, we have been pretty busy these past two years building the agency. They seem to be passing so hopefully I will see sales things stabilize or possibly even grow, we have another 1500 images to add. It also has to do with the limit per week they put on non-exclusives we can only submit 30 a week. The concern I have is that compared to the other top agencies that represent my work Istock is the one that is showing big drops this year, others have actually shown better months than last years.
 We are happy to have an Istock contract and would love to see the sales their grow but just to try every opportunity out there we are investing our shoot time right now towards TAC. I have seen several that have sold for $500 dollars already but it is to early to say what the RPI or the sell through rate is going to look like. Actually, I broke my foot a couple of weeks ago so we aren't shooting anything right now, but once I get back on my feet we will continue to add to our TAC imagery. I'll keep you posted on sales as they start to come in.

Best,
Jonathan

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Hi All,


 Istock keeps dropping and ShutterStock keeps growing. I am glad they are balancing themselves out. As my Istock sales keep dropping the other agencies are picking up the slack and my monthly return is staying the same, within 100 bucks every month. Here is to not losing money over the big picture. :)

Best,
Jonathan

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Hi All,

 Just made our 40k credits this past week so we will hold our 18% at Istock for at least another year. Happy to have made it but if I don't feed the kitty I don't think I will see it in the future. On to new exciting things :)

Best,
Jonathan

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Hi All,

 Some of my Micro agencies are dropping and that is expected since I have not uploaded any new work in three years. However, my ShutterStock is showing a 20% increase from this time last year. They are doing something right over there at SS, keep up the good work.

Best,
Jonathan

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Hi Cobalt,

 I think it it is an excellent strategy. Instead of chasing the " Top Sellers " I think it is better to create what is  missing or low on content and fill it with useable imagery for buyers in that market. Mind you in Micro you still have to focus on a broad audience but I think through lighting, environment and technique you can recreate the same subject in a different way for the wide spread need of Micro. Just my two cents.

Best,
Jonathan

169
Hi BelIblis,

 If you were already an established Getty photographer with a Getty contract I do not think they would be very interested in the style of work you shared here at MSG. I do not see much of this work in the Getty family with the exception of Istock where it seems to sell very well if you know what the market is looking for.
 Illustrations are not my strong suit so you might want to check for better information but I would say by what I saw you are creating Micro would be your best bet at this time. That isn't meant to be disrespectful towards your work I wish I knew how to do vectors and illustrations because they do seem to sell very well for some creators at Istock as well as many of the Micro agencies. Not much help I realize but if you do find information to the contrary please let me know as well as everyone here at MSG.

Best of luck,
Jonathan

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Hi Cobalt,

 Good question and I wish I could answer it simply for you. Multi distribution in Macro RF did not start until a about 8 years ago before that everyone sold their own content directly. or they were purchased by a larger agency and then those images was exclusive with the new agency until the photographer original contract was up and then the new owners would send out a new contract and offer the original shooter a chance to sign on and keep selling their work.
 Some agencies that started multi distributing their Macro collections were a bit frowned upon at one point by the large agencies. Eventually I think the big agencies realized if another agency with professionals doing the key wording and the editing as well as building a corral of contributors that are very good at what they do made their job much easier.
 A third party agency sends in very relevant imagery and key wording taking some of the work load off the large agencies shoulders. To offer this to every photographer on an individual basis would create a lot of work with no extra reward to the major agency. The big agency now no longer has to keep as big a staff and the supply of strong selling content makes it worth their while to let those agencies multi distribute.
 Another angle is these niche agencies are just that, focused on a particular angle and if that angle is of interest to the larger agencies it makes for a win/ win situation. The larger agency is having all the work more or less outsourced and it does not cost them much to add the content. That is far from the same as individuals coming in thousands to someone like Getty. If they can get the best content without having to spend a lot to organize and produce the content then their overhead per image drops dramatically.
  A give and take of sorts and when you launch an agency the big agencies will offer you a better cut if you go exclusive with them. That is one of the decisions an agency owner has to make, will one big agency bring my contributors as much revenue as 100. You would think that is a simple question but it really isn't. Building a niche stock agency is more work than most would ever imagine but it can be done if you know the recipe. I hope that helps a bit, long winded as usual but a tough question to give a straight single answer to.

Best,
Jonathan
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Hi BelIblis,

 In Macro agencies you cannot submit the same work to different agencies the Macro market asks for exclusivity of your image. Maybe Alamy does I'm not sure but again that isn't Getty or Corbis. All the major agencies will only take your images as exclusive and they will not let you redistribute any similar images from the same shoot anywhere else even if they didn't accept some frames from your shoot. Even those extra frames they didn't take cannot be redistributed by you with the exception of Fine Art sales directly by yourself and that is not the case with every agency. I hope this helps explain the difference in the Micro and Macro world of stock.
 A third party agency that is represented by Getty would be one route to gain access, many of these agencies distribute your work through many of the top agencies ( 100+ ) as they have the ability in their contracts to do so but as a single photographer that option is not available. The third party option offers a very broad market for your work and can quite often return higher sales than being signed to a single agency. Keep on shooting :)

Good Luck,
Jonathan

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 Hi All,

 This is not new in stock. Check out people like Ron Chapple and Jim Erickson, they have both been training photographers and having them shoot their stock for years. There are several that do this very successfully.

Best,
Jonathan

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Hi Ed,

 It was 23 years ago that one of the masters of stock photography told my photography class that " There is no way you will make it in stock the door is sealed shut by the professionals that run the show so you are better off trying something other than stock ". Boy, am I glad I blew that opinion off. It does take time a good business plan and extra income ( or a sugar momma ) ;) until you start making profit that will sustain you and your new business but it is never to late it just depends on how you go about it and how determined you are. When I sarted in stock there was no Yuri Arcurs and look where he is today. The photographer that shared his opinion with me over two decades ago is now dead and I have made a great living from the industry even though he was sure there was no way in. Never say never, there is always a way  :)

Best,
Jonathan

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 Hi All,

 Very interesting posts thank you all for your opinions they are fascinating to read. I think the opinions on this post hold a great deal of what people are frustrated about. Thanks again for all the insight. Just to concur my Istock sales have dropped the most in the past year and Shuttersock is still selling as big as ever but that is just my experience, I never count a horse out of the race till it breaks a leg ;) Are we in the home stretch? ;D

Cheers,
Jonathan

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Hi All,

 My Shutterstock had a bumper crop the highest month this past year, my Istock is down 20% from last month my Fotolia stayed the same and my Dreamstime was down about 5%. Only place I am seeing continued drop is Istock.

Best,
Jonathan

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