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Hello everyone,

As you are aware, contributors that had opted out of Dollar Photo Club were inadvertently opted in for approximately 20 hours. Initially when the bug was discovered it was thought that this only impacted the search engine and that buyers received a 404 error if they attempted to purchase a license to use the file. We recently discovered however that some images were downloaded and licensed.

We are very sorry to everyone that this has impacted. To demonstrate our sincerity, any images belonging to opted out contributors that were downloaded while this bug was active were paid a subscription commission and now Fotolia will add a full resolution credit sale commission (standard license) to those effected. Those effected will see the additional commission in the next few days.

My role at Fotolia has recently changed. I have switched into a full-time contributor relations role. Contributors are an important part of Fotolia and I would like to personally prove that to you as we move forward. I can be reached directly via email should you have any questions, comments or concerns: [email protected]

Kind regards,

Mat Hayward

First Fotolia started DPC and mirrored all content without notifying us. Then when we protested they made opting out available but offered people who opted in higher royalties, which we who opted out did not receive. Then our opted out lower royalty images were discovered on DPC anyway. Then Fotolia claimed it was only a one day glitch and customers could not purchase the images. Now it turns out they could and did purchase images. Thanks for stopping by, but I'm sure you'll understand why I don't believe a word of it.

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My images now seem to have disappeared from DPC. I find it very hard to believe that "one day" was the same day we noticed what they were doing.

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Site Related / Re: How do you 'favourite' a post?
« on: May 26, 2015, 17:16 »
I think you need to make a few posts before the options appear.

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The more I think about it, the more criminal this looks.

If any of our images on DPC have been sold without our consent, but we're opted out of DPC, they would not only need to remove our images, but also pay us an extra amount of royalties that was promised for those who remained opted in.

I'm willing to contribute financially to a class action lawsuit.

Yes a class action could be a good investment if fotolia has to pay a compensation. We need a fond for class actions.
Investment maybe 100$ per person.
Is the action successfully the compensation will be distributed to the investors.

Even though i am no longer with Fotolia I would pitch in $100 just to say I was part of bringing them down.

Same here.

Me too.

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I managed to get in and get a screenshot of mine clearly showing the OFF option.

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I have just a few images still left over there, and sure enough they're all on DPC..,even though I opted out. Now I am unable to get to the preferences section of the site. Looks like they're attempting damage control. Take screenshots of everything!

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Despicable.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: SS Webinar about Referral Program
« on: May 25, 2015, 11:04 »
Or why we would refer people only to have them be frustrated by the wacky approval process.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Did SS change the search again??
« on: May 23, 2015, 08:28 »
Things are normal for me. But if it is a test, I hope they roll it out quickly!

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Shutterstock.com / Re: 3 day weekend
« on: May 22, 2015, 10:24 »
This really is a 3-day weekend in the U.S. it's Memorial Day Monday, many people have a half day today, and it's the unofficial start of the summer season.

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There are many reasons I'm trying to leave my industry. I started doing stock for fun, then when I started making a nice "Christmas bonus" from it, I started to see it as a viable way out. Still trying. ;)

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Someone over there actually posted: "For example, if you photograph flowers, join gardening forums and market there". That example had me baffled. It seems that if you're a fine art flower photographer, you almost certainly buy your perfect specimens, and those I know who photograph flowers don't garden at all. Then how does it work?
Forum post, "Anyone suggest reasons why my scabious didn't come up again this year?",
Reply: "Oh, never mind, I have a photo of scabious which you could buy".

Honestly, I'm on one of the main UK gardening forums as I'm a beginner gardener. I know almost nothing, but was very conscious of being that person who always 'takes' and never 'gives' info/help on a forum. So when someone asked a question about a specific product, and no-one answered in a couple of days, and I happened to know a source, I posted with the suggestion, actually saying I'd never bought or used the product, but I knew it could be got from a certain (charity website) source, it didn't go down well - they seemed to think I was advertising, presumably as it was the first 'helpful suggestion' I'd made.

Yeah, I don't know why you'd try to sell flower photos to gardeners. Gardening publications, maybe.

If you're a beginner at anything, it's just natural you'll take more than give at the beginning. As you get more experience you can give back. Same with microstock, no?

All I can tell you is that by the time the creative department gets an assignment, dozens of other people have already been working for months figuring out the competitive landscape, conducting focus groups, compiling psychographic and demographic information about the target audience, etc. Then your work is subjected to a thousand different opinions, more market research, expert media placement, etc., before it goes live. If you're tweeting, you're the creative department, and you're missing all that background support and information. You're flying blind.

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Oh sure, I tried a variety of social media (free and paid), blogging, Google ads, etc. etc. More time and money wasted tweeting and posting and writing, only to barely break even money-wise. And since time is money, again, that's time I could have used to create images that would already be selling elsewhere.

Plus, since I get paid six figures to tweet and post and write ads, to do that for "free" for myself just annoys me, because I know what my writing time is worth. (It's worth a lot more than my drawing time.) And I could have spent that time writing ads for someone else and made even more money.
I didn't mark this post down, but I'm wondering why people pay you "six figures" to tweet and post and write ads, but when you did it for yourself you "barely broke even".

I wish I could tell you why my website isn't selling. (Well, it is, but just enough to break even. I'm one of a handful of Symbio people who make sales every month.) I'm assuming one reason is because I haven't made a major time or financial investment in marketing. Another could be the competitive landscapehow do you compete against SS, Getty, iS, etc., when your portfolio is barely a drop in the bucket compared to theirs? I was hoping the linking aspect of Symbio would give us some sort of edge, but it doesn't seem to have worked out that way.

The large micro and macro sites spend millions on marketing each year. That includes market research, media placement, PR, website optimization, an aggressive worldwide sales force, parties for big clients, and so many other variables that are impossible to replicate as an individual.

The vast majority of small businesses fail, even when they have the backing of large investors.

And finally, I work in large multinational ad agencies, with staffs of thousands of people doing different specialized jobs. If working in advertising automatically led to success with your own business, we'd all quit and start our own businesses. But unfortunately it doesn't work that way. It is a lot easier to just have a job and make a salary than to take the risk to start something on your own.

For me personally, I look back at the amount of time I spent on my site and wish I'd spent it drawing or writing instead. I'd have a lot more money in the bank today. But that's my opinion and experience, and perhaps others feel it was worth their time.

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Oh sure, I tried a variety of social media (free and paid), blogging, Google ads, etc. etc. More time and money wasted tweeting and posting and writing, only to barely break even money-wise. And since time is money, again, that's time I could have used to create images that would already be selling elsewhere.

Plus, since I get paid six figures to tweet and post and write ads, to do that for "free" for myself just annoys me, because I know what my writing time is worth. (It's worth a lot more than my drawing time.) And I could have spent that time writing ads for someone else and made even more money.

I'm assuming the down votes are from people who tweeted and posted and got great results. Maybe you can share your strategies here?

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Plus, since I get paid six figures to tweet and post and write ads, to do that for "free" for myself just annoys me, because I know what my writing time is worth. (It's worth a lot more than my drawing time.) And I could have spent that time writing ads for someone else and made even more money.
Really you make sooooo much money your time isn't worth promoting your site but it is worth it to complain about it here?   ::)

I spend a lot less time complaining here than you do. ::) And a WHOLE lot less time taking snarky potshots at people.


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Oh sure, I tried a variety of social media (free and paid), blogging, Google ads, etc. etc. More time and money wasted tweeting and posting and writing, only to barely break even money-wise. And since time is money, again, that's time I could have used to create images that would already be selling elsewhere.

Plus, since I get paid six figures to tweet and post and write ads, to do that for "free" for myself just annoys me, because I know what my writing time is worth. (It's worth a lot more than my drawing time.) And I could have spent that time writing ads for someone else and made even more money.

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I think it's a cost vs reward question. It can't hurt to have your site online with your images for sale

Well, yes and no. I like having a site online, but the site itself has made me no money. And the time I spent designing the site and uploading and keywording thousands of images could have been spent creating more images for the sites that do sell. There's no way to say for sure, but I figure I probably would have made several thousand extra dollars over the past year if I hadn't taken the time to build my own site. In fact, I've really neglected it over the past couple of months...it's my last priority now.

Also, I do marketing for a living, and the last thing I feel like doing on my own time is more marketing. With the micro sites, finally someone does the marketing for me instead of the other way around.

However, I did "meet" many really nice people through the Symbio effort, so that was great. And one in particular give me several custom assignments, so a big, big thank you to her. :)

Building your own site is a lot of work, and marketing it is even more. Just something to keep in mind.

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Diversification is a bit more time-consuming, but it reduces risk over the long term. As iStock makes bad decisions and loses customers, those customers just visit one of the other sites and license your work elsewhere.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Increase of ELs
« on: May 19, 2015, 15:16 »
They're about normal for me...too few to be statistically significant.

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I also don't understand the outrage. Leo signed over the "rights" in one way or another, and handed the Symbiostock "name" to Robin. So why wouldn't he want to protect that with a trademark? It was the first thing I suggested when I signed up for "legacy" Symbio. As far as monetization goes, if someone's going to spend tons of time developing something, he/she deserves to be paid for it. Leo's original approach to monetization was developing "pro" versions and other add-ons that cost money, and now both developers seem to think charging for hosting will do the trick.

I do think both guys will have to look for customers outside of this forum, because many, many bridges have been burned here at MSG.

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They need to send out a correction via email. Otherwise anyone can license an image for templates under the standard license and point to the original email if challenged legally.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Slow today - is it a holiday?
« on: May 15, 2015, 08:08 »
Thanks, Mantis. Yes, I'd hate to think such a huge drop was a harbinger of the summer to come...much more reassuring to know things will bounce back (hopefully) after the holiday. It was just a regular old Thursday in the U.S., so I was concerned it might be a search algorithm shakeup. Today is incredibly slow as well.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Slow today - is it a holiday?
« on: May 14, 2015, 18:39 »
I noticed the same thing. Huge drop compared to yesterday. Glad I'm not the only one!

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Royalty Declines At Shutterstock
« on: May 14, 2015, 15:39 »
One reason for the increase in rejections might be the cost of additional servers to store all the data and the cost of additional reviewers vs. a slower increase in sales.  There was an article yesterday about how SS is handling the storage of the huge influx of increasingly larger files. I'm sure investors are looking for cost-cutting measures.

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Veer / Re: Veer sales nowadays
« on: May 14, 2015, 12:50 »
Veer has very low sales and serious keyword issues. Instead of arguing with us why don't you fix things? Time better spent, IMO.

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