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iStockPhoto.com / Re: 'Edstock' now has over 15,000 files...
« on: September 10, 2011, 12:01 »
I actually think that Getty might be happy to get IS to die- or at least wither away. As long as they can get the buyers to move either downstream or upstream or laterally. That way they can avoid paying those unsustainable ( >20%) royalties out. So first move IS content elsewhere and move wholly owned and crap to IS. When buyers complain suggest they go to one of the other Getty "family" sources. When sellers complain tell them to take it or leave. Eventually you might think you are submitting to IS, but more and more of your sales will be somewhere else with lower % and no RC.

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I immediately said I would leave completely. Now I am toying with the idea of leaving only the old dregs of my point and shoot days and removing all else. As other have noted, after making considerable stink on their forums over the years, if I close my account completely, I'll likely never get in again, if things ever turn around.

I haven't uploaded in more than a year at this point, and don't miss it. I went independent in January over the previous arguments -- I can't even remember what the straw was that broke my back -- and sales are so pitiful that now I can't be bothered to give a . I'm trying out some other sites, slowly, as I have time, but mostly I'm just enjoying photography and not shooting anything that looks like good stock to me. And it's making me happier.

What I won't miss, regardless of if my portfolio stays or goes, is the constant turmoil that iStock consistently brings to my life every September and January. The love affair is over. And like any good breakup, I hope only painful things for them in future.

That is the direction I am leaning - removing all the images that sell on other sites and leaving a few to keep the account open. I think I'll make them all p+ before I delete the others.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: shutterstock rejecting everything,Why?
« on: September 07, 2011, 16:28 »
I had a fairly high rejection rate lately too. They seem to no longer want backgrounds, which they used to almost always accept.

It is pretty demotivating to get a big batch stomped on. One advantage of being independent is that they will be available elsewhere at least.

Maybe in the future I'll figure out what the new standards are, but other than the backgrounds they seem somewhat random to me at the moment.

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Veer / Re: Disappearing payments at Veer ?
« on: September 07, 2011, 14:27 »
Same here. Expect to get it the 15th or have it sent then or whatever. I had some issues w/ a Veer payment last year and they fixed it for me. I think it is just a rather unintuitive way of reporting things in this case.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: 'Edstock' now has over 15,000 files...
« on: September 07, 2011, 14:06 »
I thought that first one was a red carpet image from the opening of "ET".

Why are safari photos editorial? I could see maybe if they were in a zoo or wildlife park maybe. I could possibly see some value to that last one, but not why it would be editorial.

I did notice that they said that some files might not be scrutinized fully. I guess this is what they meant. Get ready to have your images buried by worthless crap from "upstream".

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General Macrostock / Re: Getty Flickr Open collection
« on: September 07, 2011, 10:11 »
just out of curiosity, are you an IS exclusive? what are they offering for Thinkstock downloads for flickr images?

edit duh - if you are thinking of sending to 8 micros you aren't exclusive.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: 'Edstock' now has over 15,000 files...
« on: September 06, 2011, 12:07 »
Well, there are no single plans now to .... 

But you can see how they operate. Don't be surprised when this happens again with something else. I can see why sites would want to push wholly owned content though. If Getty can sell all of the Getty files on IS and all the IS files on Getty and PP sites, what % royalties do you think they will be paying out?

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Shutterstock.com / Re: shutterstock rejecting everything,Why?
« on: September 05, 2011, 13:13 »
My guess is that SS is trying to raise standards, but it is a tough thing to do. As usual it is a bit of luck of the draw with reviewers. Some reviewer might like your stuff, another won't.

here is one microstock fact:

An image that is accepted or rejected might have had the opposite treatment on a different day or a different reviewer.

That doesn't mean I don't still get upset when my images get rejected.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Revised Artists Supply Agreement
« on: September 03, 2011, 15:54 »
I also noticed that someone's reply - to paraphrase as best I remember:

"you know the answers, you don't like the answers"

was deleted too.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: New Survey...
« on: September 03, 2011, 11:26 »
I never got the survey either, but you can bet I have some opinions for them now.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Photo+ Worth it?
« on: September 03, 2011, 11:18 »
P + is probably the only change that IS has made in the last 2 years that was beneficial for indys. (except all the site screwups might have benefited other agencies and indirectly benefited indys that way).

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Remember, Istock doesn't call the shots anymore, Getty /H&F do. They see paying over 20% unsustainable, so where do you think they will try to drive traffic? As pointed out earlier, their salespeople were calling the big Istock buyer accounts to sell TS. The more content and buyers they can move away from IS the more they can sell at 20% or less for the artists. As an added bonus you get no IS sales to move up canisters or RC to increase your percentage. I wouldn't be too surprised if the long range plan is to gradually move sales away from IS in both directions so they won't have to pay those unsustainable percentages. Exclusives might even continue to make more money, but not as much as they would with their full canister royalties.

Every time I read an assurance from someone on the IS forum I want to add "yet" to the end of it. eg: "we have no single plans to move your content"...."yet". We all know how trustworthy their track record is.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: August earnings
« on: August 31, 2011, 20:49 »
The month isn't completely over, but unless someone has a lot of clawbacks it will be another BME for me (July, March, and May were also BME), thanks mainly to ELs and SS I think. DT sold more files than any month before, but a vast number were subs and small level 0 sales, so the RPD was pretty low. IS was pretty weak, especially in the middle of the month (it came in behind SS, DT, and Veer).

I guess for all the doom and gloom at IS things are still going fairly well for me this year (mainly thanks to SS). I will likely miss IS's shrinking but still significant contribution after next month though.

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123RF / Re: It gets worse and worse here!
« on: August 31, 2011, 15:52 »
...

If I were to delete my portfolio from every site with nutso reviewing, I wouldn't have it anywhere :)

...

That's the truth for sure. It also seems to happen by batch making me think it is the reviewer not some automated system. I recently had a picture of Columbine peak in the Sierras moved to editorial - no people, no man made structures - just a mountain in the middle of a mountain range. I wonder if that was automated by a keyword. odd.

I agree the spaghetti approach seems to be the easiest for my blood pressure and stress. Make the images, shotgun them to the agencies and let them keep what they want. If images get rejected everywhere - especially for lighting or focus, I take note. Otherwise they get what they want and I keep from going postal.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Revised Artists Supply Agreement
« on: August 31, 2011, 09:37 »
I do notice how they carefully say "no single plan" and "at this time" a lot. My guess is within a year they will start removing stuff from IS (after all the problem is that 10 million is too many to be seen right?). First it will be the indy stuff they forced us to go to PP, then if that isn't enough they will start in with the exclusives.

Also as far as stuff moving or mirroring "upstream", that means 20% max commission and no RC with no guarantee it will actually be sold for more than it would be from IS.

As others have said, they want to cover everything from top of the line expensive RM to dirt cheap subs and picture packs. If you don't want to be supplying the bottom tier, they will figure out how to force you to if they feel they aren't getting enough. Also expect more wholly owned content and "special collections" coming into IS and taking up slots in the front of the best match.

At each step you will have the same options - bend over and take this wonderful new opportunity or leave.

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1. money. At one time IS dominated the microstock industry and you could get a much higher % and uploads by being exclusive. Some people have done very well as exclusive and some still report higher earnings after becoming exclusive.

2. Getty bought out stockxpert which paid .30 per download and dropped it down to .25 same for pp. I think that they have raised that to .28 now. That rubbed many of us the wrong way. It seems they want to topple SS and many of us don't want to help them do so. Now they want to force us to accept their terms. Also PP sales do not contribute to RC totals. It appears that IS wants to move sales to PP where they make more and we make less.

3. At least sub sales at DT raise your image levels, and higher level sales even for subs get more $. At SS lots of sub sales will eventually get you .38 per sub sale. At PP lots of sub sales gets you lots of sub sales, but not a lot of $.

4. IS used to have lots of sales - a file could take off at IS and make many sales per day = lots of $. They have gradually lowered commissions, tightened the screws, reneged on promises, changed terms in their favor, made numerous blunders to piss off suppliers and buyers etc. They used to = 25 to 50% of most non exclusive contributors, now they are down more in the 10 to 35% range - that would still be pretty good except we are all sick of their greedy dishonest ways and they had such promise and goodwill and they destroyed that.

I guess everyone else said similar.

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Actually right now I am leaning towards pulling almost all of my content. If I have any images like a screw or something that reflect how I feel right now I'll leave them up just to keep my account sales totals alive in case they are sold and it makes sense to re-contribute in the future.

This is only one step down the line, I expect at some time in the future some content will be not just mirrored but completely moved. Then the exclusives will have no choice but to see their stuff at the pp. This is only the first iteration folks, and Getty has a lot more shoes they can drop.

They already said what their goal is and it is 20% or less commission.

I am sorry to see what has become of IS, but it is what it is.

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I'm certainly leaning towards pulling the plug there. The income and % of my income from IS has been steadily declining, so it really won't hurt me that much except for the pain of all the hoops I had to jump through to get the content up there. I will miss the $, but I fear I would miss my dignity more. I guess I have 'til the 28th to decide. Actually I am tempted to pull it all the 29th just to make more work for them.

(I am not on FT for similar reasons).

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Revised Artists Supply Agreement
« on: August 29, 2011, 18:55 »
I guess if nothing changes I'll delete my images from IS on the 28th, or maybe the 29th to make more work for them. I am not going to help them destroy SS. Hopefully they give us the option to opt out before then, but I don't expect so.

In fact I expect them to opt in exclusives next.

Just when you think FT is the most money grubbing distributor IS does this. I can't say I'm really surprised though.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Revised Artists Supply Agreement
« on: August 29, 2011, 18:01 »
So...

If you say "no" to the new agreement:

-your files actually on istock are always selling
-istock can not mirroring the files to cheaper partner sites
-you can not upload new files anymore

If you say "yes"

- Your files are mirrored to other sites for cheapest price
- You are killing SS and other good earners
- You can upload new files

Is it right or not?

If that was all I'd be ok with it. I haven't uploaded since the last time they screwed us, but if we don't agree before Sept 28th, they will consider that agreeing - nice huh?

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Revised Artists Supply Agreement
« on: August 29, 2011, 15:23 »
so will they give us notice when stuff will get moved to another site with an option to delete, or will they just move it?

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: August best match shift?
« on: August 11, 2011, 13:47 »
My results for "Morocco" look more like the iphone screenshot, but not in the same order.

The conspiracy theorist in me figures that they are making the best match shifts too hard to keep track of by implementing them at different times for different locations and soon they will push wholly owned content to accounts that aren't submitters. In reality they are probably trying to push their best guess of what the buyer wants with an accent on expensive and exclusive content.

I can see the value of showing local results for a search like "coins", but in general I don't like it when sites try to guess what I want instead of showing me what I am asking for.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Big Change at IS
« on: August 08, 2011, 11:57 »
I am far from a hard working and talented contributor to IS, in fact I stopped uploading to them when they announced their intention to screw me. Not surprisingly my sales and $ have fallen somewhat since then.

I would love to see the actual financials for all the stock sites, but that is highly unlikely. I am guessing IS still brings in a heap of $ though, and if my sales are any indication SS is doing fine too. I am guessing that IS just didn't feel that their unrealistic profit expectations were sustainable and they went for the short term fix. I don't know how that will effect them in the long term, but I'd love to see the sales go somewhere that I get a better %. Unfortunately they are still a large part of the market.

Don't even get me started on FT and all the things they have done.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Big Change at IS
« on: August 05, 2011, 00:20 »
" Our goal, and part of my new mandate, will be to make sure we optimize your earnings from your content. "

I can tell them an easy way to do this, and it starts with upping our commission percent.

Unfortunately I think the accurate translation as posted earlier was "...optimise our earnings from your content."

sigh.

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Dreamstime.com / Re: subs taking control of DT ??
« on: August 05, 2011, 00:16 »
16/20 subs and plenty of 1 credit level 0 too, my RPD is a whopping .85 so far this month, usually it is between 1 and 1.50. It seems bimodal with larger higher level sales and .35 and under sales.

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