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1951
StockXpert.com / Re: Bad things about to happen ...
« on: November 09, 2009, 19:53 »
On November 12, Stockxpert content will be removed from Photos.com. We are still working on the timelines for JIU and will announce that information at a later date.

This is indeed very bad news. This month (Nov 2009)  the majority of my DLs on StockXpert was from photos.com and JUI. I won't compensate thru iStock since I opted out of the subs deal. There are limits in the price of subs: I'd rather sell nothing than give anything for a lowered commission.

For the complete details please refer to the original announcement here. iStockphoto provides a wealth of information and ideas for you to grow from.

Growth? I doubled my port on iStock this year and nothing of my new stuff sells at all. Only my old crap of 2-3 years ago gets downloaded. I have no clue why. I think the search engine hates me. Up till this date, my November earnings on iStock are half of those on StockXpert.

So be it. There are not enough funds in my Paypal to buy Getty.

1952
Pixmac / Re: So, what's the deal with pixmac?
« on: November 09, 2009, 19:20 »
In my port it's the exact same thing; i think the title is correct (dog with newspaper) but instead of my pic of the dog its replaced by another dog with a newspaper.

I just had a quick look thru my port at Pixmac as present on FT. All seems fine. So "what's up with Pixmac"? Nothing really. If you have your port on FT, it makes no sense uploading to Pixmac, especially since their lock-in period is the largest in the microstock industry (one year). Only the rejects of FT could be uploaded, but for the reported low sales, it's not worthwhile timewise to do so and dig thru the FT rejects (I still don't know how).

1953
Software - General / Re: Help with Wordpress
« on: November 09, 2009, 01:22 »
Is there a way to show the whole post when I click on a month or category?

There are many templates around for WP that don't exploit the full functionality of it or just focus on one set. What I always do for WP is not to concentrate on the looks but on the functionality present, even if it looks ugly. Then I change the look/fonts/graphic elements purely in the CSS, not in the template itself, which contains the functionality.

1954
IMO this "comfort' should have higher price than 0.35$. If the designer propose 10 different compositions he earns money thanks to 10 of our images. Why he should only pay for one of them?

Ah but the main point was exactly that he will only use one image out of the ten for the approved design.

1955
It seems to me that limiting a sub sale to a maximum size of around 10-12 MPs would be more friendly.

Well the contributor has that choice, doesn't he? I will never upload the future 21MP of my 5DMKII on microstock.

In fact, when you upload full size, you do that in the hope that once in a while, an EL will be sold for a billboard or so.
What you get is loads of max size sub downloads by larger design companies, but what the heck? They do it for their comfort. When making a composite, it's much fancier and better looking to start with the max size to cut out the overwhite object (beware of the jpg jitter even at quality 12) then reduce the size of the finished composite. Also don't forget template elements like buttons in one illustration image: they can be very tiny in any other size than max and awkward to extract.

The only danger is that a hit-and-run HeroTurko would download his max quorum and throw the images on the net for "free". That could be prevented by an account manager at the sites that checks the subscription package buyers. I still feel DT is more cautious as to that than for instance FT. But I might be wrong of course. All we can do is look at the track record of the different agencies.

1956
Yaymicro / Re: Yaymicro Down
« on: November 08, 2009, 18:48 »
Their Facebook page say they are down for maintenance until Monday

Oh nooo! Two days of sales missed on YAY! That will hit hard.  ;D

1957
My last sales...

subscription $0.35 medium (RF)  
subscription $0.35 extrasmall (RF)
....

My last 20:
This is a level 2 image     4 credits (2008)    $1.70     small     (RF)
This is a level 1 image    subscription    $0.35    large    (RF)
This is a level 1 image    1 credit (2008)    $0.37    extrasmall    (RF)
This is a level 3 image    subscription    $0.70    maximum    (RF)
This is a level 1 image    5 credits (2008)    $1.82    extralarge    (RF)
This is a level 2 image    6 credits (2008)    $2.22    large    (RF)
This is a level 3 image    subscription    $0.35    maximum    (RF)

Update: mystery solved. At this time the image was still level 2 but turned 3 right after the download. That's why the new download a few hours later was 0.70 (green). It is then listed level 3 on all sales upstream, so that can cause confusion.

This is a level 1 image    1 credit (2008)    $0.38    extrasmall    (RF)
This is a level 2 image    subscription    $0.35    extrasmall    (RF)
This is a level 1 image    2 credits (2008)    $1.00    small    (RF)
This is a level 2 image    5 credits (2008)    $2.04    medium    (RF)
This is a level 1 image    2 credits (2008)    $0.70    small    (RF)
This is a level 2 image    6 credits (2008)    $2.36    large    (RF)
This is a level 2 image    subscription    $0.35    maximum    (RF)
This is a level 5 image    subscription    $1.26    maximum    (RF)
This is a level 1 image    1 credit (2008)    $0.38    extrasmall    (RF)
This is a level 1 image    subscription    $0.35    maximum    (RF)
This is a level 1 image    2 credits (2008)    $0.74    small    (RF)
This is a level 1 image    subscription    $0.35    maximum    (RF)
This is a level 2 image    subscription    $0.35    maximum    (RF)

In general subs are 50% of total sales for me. In the last 20, there were 9.

Achilles has been answering the subs issue a few times, also on this forum as I remember. It boils down to designers needing a few or many alternative images for a particular design, so that they can present these options without clumsy watermark to the customer. We read before here on this forum how designers hate comps with watermarks.
In fact, only one of those images will actually be used, so Achilles pointed out that sub sales are in fact an extra, those are sales that wouldn't have been happened on a credit package (except the image finally chosen of course).

So it isn't about greedy image hoarders scratching around for bargains, but about some comfort for the designer. Also concerning the max size downloads: imagine you want a crop or a banner out of the image, how can you do that in a credible way for the customer out of a 300px watermarked thumb? Makes you look cheap as designer to the customer. If your webpage is a 800px wide design, you will then have to upsize the thumb to give an idea about the final result, but that might not go well with the customer if he has deeper pockets and if he wants to have a realistic idea of how the result will look like. A designer might try different crops and that doesn't work well from an XS image.

If as designer, you want to evaluate how a particular image will look like (colors, crispness) in large print, you can't do that with a watermarked thumb. Small but vital defects can't be judged on a thumb at all. Take for instance sloppy isolations with plaques less than #FFF. I bought a few like those from LuckyOliver and I was totally p*ssed of I had to redo the isolation all over. So a designer with volume production might prefer to buy an expensive subs package in order to have some comfort in choosing the right and correct image amongst those downloaded. They cost of this might be much less than the designer's hourly wage.

The issue with photographers/illustrators is often that they are unaware of the needs of a designer. I still trust Achilles in the sub decisions as he has a track record of honesty towards contributors, and since he has an overview of what happens on both sides of the fence, contributor needs and buyer needs. Other agents are not as good in this, but apart from the occasional slam, they seems to get away easier with subs.

The "bitter" pill has been sweetened by the higher weight for level 3 and up images in the subs package. You could argue that they just represent a small part of any port, but proportionally, they have more sales or they wouldn't have become level 3+ images in the first place. Finally, DT is the only agent that rewards good sellers with higher yield. On SS, you'll get always your 0.36 (or whatever) independent of # of downloads.

This was a positive thread about DT.  :P

1958
I just had a level 3 image sold for 0.70$ as subscription

Strange. Eearnings page:
11/06/2009     n/a      This is a level 3 image     subscription     $0.35     maximum

And on my download history it says:
Download date     Buyer searched after      Image level     Price     Earnings     Resolution     License
11/06/2009 10:18    airport handling    Level 3    subscription    $0.70    maximum (upsized)    RF
11/06/2009 02:02    n/a    Level 3    subscription    $0.35    maximum (upsized)    RF

So I sold it twice that day as sub, once for 0.35$, once for 0.70$, but in my earnings (2 days ago so no issue about database sync) it's only reported once on 0.35$.

Gosh, do we need to check really everything on those sites?  :o  :'(

Image: search for luggage handling: my shot is first. Direct link is here.



1959
Second, it seems to be a bit of a mixture with a social networking site, that's not bad to make contacts.

How? I can't contact anybody on DT. My right to comment on photos was taken away 2 years ago. I have no clue why. The only blog post I ever made there was removed. You can't even put up a decent tutorial there since external picture and video links are impossible. The DT blogs are glorified forum posts and the vast majority is a total time waste.

I don't need social networking on DT, I need sales.

1960
i can only envy you. i have only level one images but the rpd is well over a dollar. so, you're saying most of your sales are subs? so, it doesn't help if your images sell well and reach level 2, 3, or 4 because the buyer will be subs anyways. is there some sort of strange relationship between the popularity of an image and subs?
I had a sub download the past week of a level 5 image and my share was 1.26$. Another sub download of a level 3 image gave just 0.35$. I don't know for sure but the higher yield for subs only counts for level 4 and 5.

My RPD the past 12 months has been: (port size N = almost 1K)
$1.24
$0.91
$1.28
$1.05
$1.39
$1.67
$1.23
$1.18
$0.94
$1.39
$1.12
$1.03
$0.87 (current month)

Hope this gives an idea.

1961
Shutterstock.com / Re: What do you disagree about SS??
« on: November 07, 2009, 03:44 »
In defence of Dzain she even said on the SS forums that she was going to come over to this site to let off steam as she didn't want to post it on Shutterstock's own forums.

Ah, I stand corrected then, and my apologies to Dzain, especially if it's a she;)

1962
General Stock Discussion / Re: SS and BS...hmmmm
« on: November 07, 2009, 00:38 »
PS Hello - I'm new here and everywhere ;D

It would be more productive (for you) if you added a link to the rejected ones on BigStock. I'm still doing OK there. This month up till now (6 days) my ratio of earnings is DT 100 : SS 50 : BigStock 25 : IS : 5.

1963
There's quite a bit to like about them IMO.  Probably the reason they keep winning the "who's your favorite micro" polls.  :D
That might change with the next poll. When would that be?

1964
New Sites - General / Re: Vivozoom anyone?
« on: November 06, 2009, 04:52 »
Almost forgot I've submitted photos there!   That site is sloooooooooww!!!

Correct. Their framework and/or coder is sub-par. That's what made me stop uploading a year ago.

1965
What's the price tag for keywording.?..
In general: 2-4$, 2 for series. Title/description included.
They never will post it in public.
As you know, I'm into outsourcing now and I had thoughts about a similar service at a place where the wages are 35% under those of Chennai. But to be perfect and microstock-relevant, I should check all the output myself plus check competing shots at the sites to bump over them as to relevancy. Given that overhead plus the costs (included training) a price of 3$ is realistic.

Personally I would never let go the metadata out of my hand, since the right wording is vital for correct search info placement. It might make sense for volume uploaders though and image "factories" that run a tight shop.

The least the keywording services should do is put some examples online to have a quick idea of the wording quality.

1966
New Sites - General / Re: photocase.com
« on: November 06, 2009, 00:39 »
I have made more money with Photocase than for example Featurepics, Canstockphoto, VeerMP, Scanstockphoto... and my Photocase portfolio size is under 5% of those sites...

Can anybody give an example of what actually got accepted there? It's very hard to believe that anybody would want to buy there. For instance, this is the first image that turns up entering "business man" in the search box. I'm still flabbergasted, more as a buyer than as a contributor.

1967
Dreamstime.com / Re: 2008 credits
« on: November 05, 2009, 04:29 »
I was just looking at my sales at Dreamstime and all the recent sales either quote   x credits (2008) or subscription. Why would I not have any 2009 credit sales ? Does anybody have (2009) credit sales on Dreamstime ?
Last 20 sales: 11 subscription, 9 2008 credit sales. No 2009 credit sales. Digged deeper (last 120 sales): no 2009 credit sales at all.

1968
i was talking to a designer friend of mine recently who has worked in the region for years. when i showed him my work on istock he said he would just right click on the images save them then clone out the watermark in photoshop. when i said that that's theft he said okay then, he'd just download them from hero turko or somewhere similar for free. when i said no, they are also nicked he said, that's the good thing about working in the middle east, no one gives a cr*p about this stuff.

I had exactly the same conversation with a Filipino junior designer in Manila 2 years ago. But he used Getty as "image source" since the previews there seem to be larger. His job was to clone out the watermarks, and his boss published a set of local lifestyle mags, so he could well afford it. Artful cloning might take two hours, but what the heck in a country where the hourly wage is on average 0.7$. Copyright infringement? Hahahaha. Copyright doesn't exist east of Berlin and west of Anchorage (except Japan and maybe South Korea). When you buy any desktop PC in the Philippines, Windows and Photoshop CS4 are preloaded by default.

Turkey has a population of 80M, sure, but most are located in poor Anatolia. The upcoming industry is all about low grade outsourcing. They will enter the EU? They wish. Obama and the EU politicians want it but not the Europeans themselves. Whenever the citizen gets the chance (the France and Netherlands referendum) it was turned down. I wouldn't hold my breath.

If you look at visitors at stock sites and design or open source forms, the only non-Western country that contributes is India. I'm connected with outsourcing in India (Chennai) and the designers there are top-notch. Since they work for Western companies, they won't even dream scavenging thumbs: they buy. I'm unaware of FT addressing India, but they should give it priority over Turkey. On the other hand, Indians are very knowledgeable in English, since it's in their grade and high school curriculum, so a localized version is overkill.


1969
Overall, this is a big step by fotolia. Huge expansion. I never could have believed how the agencies were missing the Turkish market.

Didn't they have HeroTurko already?

1970
Veer / Re: Losing my enthusiasm for Veer
« on: November 05, 2009, 01:02 »
yeah I haven't even considered signing up to veer yet .. just waiting to see how many complaints there about rejections and lack of sales  ;D
I quit there. Not too many rejects but the wrong rejects: accepting B and crap, refusing A and good sellers. The upload process takes too long if you try to disambiguate seriously and follow their kwd suggestions.
After flipping Hamburgers for a day in Europe, I would have 80 euro in my pocket. Spend that time on Veer uploads and I would have 2$ per day. Moreover, I tend to avoid sites that do payout in dollars lately. The dollar is dead and everybody in the worlds wants to get rid of it before Obama runs out of paper to print his treasury bonds. If Veer cleaned out and streamlined its reviewers, in a year or so, let's see.

1971
Featurepics.com / Re: Anyone selling at Featurepics?
« on: November 04, 2009, 18:46 »
I just had a sale there, 15$, yield 7.5$. It was an image that never sold elsewhere. Apparently FP is digging into market holes that no one did before. FP is still in intensive care but Elena, though very friendly, isn't a sissie that will give up easily. Given that, and the fast and easy upload, I'll stay there for a while. In total, FP made me much more than Zymm.

1972
It will be interesting to see where SS and BigStock end up in the race.

The most interesting thing will be to see how they handle 2 competing products (OD-EL) under one roof. The same problem that Getty has with iStock and StockXpert. Will they cannibalize one site to make the original workhorse stronger? Hardly a good strategy since it would waste the digital assets of BigStock and just build traffic. A hostile buyout seems not likely since BigStock has no subscriptions. In the long run SS and BigStock have to be streamlined to work together with a scale and market advantage, and that will be very interesting to watch.

For now, Getty still seems not have made their mind up about StockXpert, since it's business as usual there, with still photos.com sales.

1973
Shutterstock.com / Re: What do you disagree about SS??
« on: November 04, 2009, 07:05 »
I don't like the way SS treats it's contributors by not communicating about the possible loss of the OD-program.

They did.

I don't like the image garantee crap and the way they throw away our work like garbage, because of that.

Just curious. Are you going to call SS "crap"/"garbage" in every thread under the cover of anonymity?
If you "hate", "don't like" SS, then don't upload there.

1974
Newbie Discussion / Re: yello
« on: November 04, 2009, 03:31 »
I expect the announcement of a new amazing stock site soon.  ::)

1975
Shutterstock.com / Re: Shutterstock starts database cleanup?!
« on: November 03, 2009, 17:50 »
I had two deleted with cars with, full sideview but no logos. They are amongst good sellers at other sites, so I guess it's a matter of time before iStock kicks them out too.
That's a consequence of the latest cry in microstock about the "guarantee". I wonder when Dreamstime will offer the "guarantee".

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