Author Topic: What do you disagree about SS?? (Read 13702 times)

Dreamframer · « **Reply #25 on:** October 07, 2009, 17:47 »

Quote from: lisafx on October 02, 2009, 16:42

Quote from: Xalanx on October 02, 2009, 15:37
You appear to have lots of things to moan about every agency, PedroV. May I suggest a different hobby?

Judging from all his complaint topics and topics suggesting fraud against the agencies, I am guessing PedroV is probably a familiar troll back with another name...

How many accounts this guy has for God's sake?

Digital66 · « **Reply #26 on:** October 07, 2009, 18:33 »

Quote from: litifeta on October 07, 2009, 17:14

SS are not alone in the tax mistake. Lots of sites misunderstand the taxation requirements.

Are you talking about the 30% tax?

litifeta · « **Reply #27 on:** October 07, 2009, 20:00 »

USA has a taxation agreement with most countries. You pay tax in your own country.

Mind you a lot of those people selling stuff on the internet also scam buyers with taxation. For instance, you should not be paying either sales or goods and services tax if your purchase is not to be used in the country of purchase.

Anyka · « **Reply #28 on:** October 07, 2009, 23:53 »

I never had a problem with the low earnings at SS, simply because I always believed that their buyers buy more images than they really need. Suppose you are an image buyer, and you can download 25 images per day, but you only need 15 per day. What do you do? You download more than you need, so you can choose afterwards which image looks better on your magazine/site. Or you download the 15 you need, and you download 10 other ones for personal use at home ...
What I'm trying to say is that every 25ct at SS gets more money because of extra images that would not have been downloaded at agencies without subscriptions.

What I DO have a problem with at SS is the long period between approval and "publication on the site". Last week, I uploaded and submitted 20 images on Thursday morning. They were approved on Saturday morning. Sunday, Monday and Tuesday there did not appear at searches ("newest first" order). On Wednesday, all images from the last 4 or 5 days were put on the site in ONE BIG BATCH, and mine were buried on page 8. Result : no sales of newest images.

borg · « **Reply #29 on:** October 08, 2009, 06:41 »

We need Payoneer as an alternative option...

Also, why Gross earnings contains tax from last payout, how they will charge next if all amount is together...

Gross earnings = tax(from last payout)+ total amount (after last payout)

PedroV · « **Reply #30 on:** October 08, 2009, 14:02 »

gostwyck · « **Reply #31 on:** October 08, 2009, 14:11 »

Quote from: PedroV on October 08, 2009, 14:02

I'm not a troll folks, I haven't argued with any of you guys, but agencies forums are sooo censored that I believed that this page could let our tongues free, but I see that also this forum is censored and people only wants to read what they want

I'm not frauding againts agencies, simply brought some polemic themes over the table to know people's opinions, but I see that you CAN'T free speak here neither

pity

How have you been censored? Just because others may not agree with you does not qualify it as censorship. You can say pretty much what you like here but then so can others about you too.

a.k.a.-tom · « **Reply #32 on:** October 08, 2009, 15:38 »

Quote from: litifeta on October 07, 2009, 17:14

Apart from that, what I do not like is the minute I stop submitting for a while my sales fall through the floor. This month I will be lucky to make $10, yet 6 months ago I could get $100 payout easy.

You do have a valid point there Litifeta..... none the less.... I still like them.

=tom

ThomasAmby · « **Reply #33 on:** October 09, 2009, 12:19 »

Quote from: stockastic on October 02, 2009, 16:22

Last time I looked at that 'top 50' I concluded most of them got there by keyword spamming. Now there's something to complain about.

Well, I strongly disagree! All of the top 50 images are outstanding images of high quality and usability. They cover popular subjects and are well composited.

Besides, I don't believe that keyword-spamming actually works. Why would you search for something, say, a flower, then end up buying an image of a monkey? This might actually happen occasionally, but is definitely not sending any images to the top 50.

anton9 · « **Reply #34 on:** October 09, 2009, 12:50 »

my only thing is that over the last 6 months sales have dropped dramatically even though ive more than doubled my images there

bestshotz · « **Reply #35 on:** October 09, 2009, 17:28 »

Speaking from the footage Side on SS ... I liked being there until the Tax came and Sales Plumeted .. I was lucky to make a payout each month before .. but the last couple of months have been touch and go ..

This isnt a have a go at SS .. I hope they get it together again as I do this full time and its like taking a pay cut every month now from a reliable seller.. they must be seeing the Huge drop as well

I really hope things pick up there for Footage ... other than that I liked the place ... even though it is the lowest royalty rate site on the internet and now with Tax

But Review time for Footage is Fair and Pretty Quick Compared to another top 6 site .. where footage is still waiting to be checked from nearly 2 months ago then it comes back asking for a model release for a graphic and another months wait ..

So Good Luck SS I really cross my fingers Footage sales will improve

dzain · « **Reply #36 on:** November 04, 2009, 05:37 »

I don't like the way SS treats it's contributors by not communicating about the possible loss of the OD-program.

I don't like the image garantee crap and the way they throw away our work like garbage, because of that.

FD · « **Reply #37 on:** November 04, 2009, 07:05 »

Quote from: dzain on November 04, 2009, 05:37

I don't like the way SS treats it's contributors by not communicating about the possible loss of the OD-program.

They did.

Quote from: dzain on November 04, 2009, 05:37

I don't like the image garantee crap and the way they throw away our work like garbage, because of that.

Just curious. Are you going to call SS "crap"/"garbage" in every thread under the cover of anonymity?
If you "hate", "don't like" SS, then don't upload there.

dzain · « **Reply #38 on:** November 04, 2009, 07:13 »

Quote from: FD-amateur on November 04, 2009, 07:05

Quote from: dzain on November 04, 2009, 05:37
I don't like the way SS treats it's contributors by not communicating about the possible loss of the OD-program.

They did.

Quote from: dzain on November 04, 2009, 05:37
I don't like the image garantee crap and the way they throw away our work like garbage, because of that.

Just curious. Are you going to call SS "crap"/"garbage" in every thread under the cover of anonymity?
If you "hate", "don't like" SS, then don't upload there.

I'm not anonimous, this it the name I use on all stocksites and allthough SS gives me best income from all the stocksites, they still can have some manners and communicate big changes that will effect their contributors income before they pull something of like what they are doing right now.

They didn't tell us they want to throw away the OD option and allthough because of the rumours on the forums one admin answered that they were trying new things, they should have told us that in a newsletter before.
And after days of speculating and worriing from lots of people on the forums, they are keeping very quiet instead of insuring us that we won't lose money on their venture with BS.
The same with the removals of photo's. A lot of them could be editorials but instead of switching them to editorial they just throw them away. And also no warning about removing photo's before they started with that.

They definately have to work on their manners.

fotografer · « **Reply #39 on:** November 04, 2009, 10:08 »

In defence of Dzain she even said on the SS forums that she was going to come over to this site to let off steam as she didn't want to post it on Shutterstock's own forums.

Quote from: FD-amateur on November 04, 2009, 07:05

Just curious. Are you going to call SS "crap"/"garbage" in every thread under the cover of anonymity?
If you "hate", "don't like" SS, then don't upload there.

PixelBitch · « **Reply #40 on:** November 04, 2009, 10:29 »

When I have a great original idea I shoot it for RM where it might earn decent money...

Quote from: stockastic on October 02, 2009, 16:22

Allsa, you gotta be kidding. Of course they want all their contributors to copy the big sellers, so SS can have more big sellers. They could care less about originality.

Last time I looked at that 'top 50' I concluded most of them got there by keyword spamming. Now there's something to complain about.

dzain · « **Reply #41 on:** November 04, 2009, 13:27 »

Quote from: fotografer on November 04, 2009, 10:08

In defence of Dzain she even said on the SS forums that she was going to come over to this site to let off steam as she didn't want to post it on Shutterstock's own forums.

thanx, you're correct, better to vent here then on the SS forums

who are you on SS?

Microbius · « **Reply #42 on:** November 04, 2009, 15:07 »

1. earnings have been declining for over a year
2. the way the forums are run
3. ultra low payout per download
4. accepting any old toot
5. the whole subs model which means they don't have the contributors' best interest at heart eg. allowing unlimited elements in each illustration in an attempt to minimize the number of downloads a buyer needs to make. Though the model is great if your work's not up to scratch because the marginal cost of downloading is zero; which means if you suck you can still pull in some money from this one.
6. seem to have real issues with work being stolen (if you have a look at how many sites give away images listing them as "shutterstock images"- just do a google search)
7. also have issues policing their artists; most times people copying or uploading other peoples' work are only spotted by other submitters. Victim's emails to support seem to often be ignored until they post in the forums (at which point they are also repremanded for posting in the forums)

good things:
1. Still one of the top earners.
2. Easy upload process.

The good still outweighs the bad, but I'm looking forward to the day when their market share drops enough that I can afford to abandon them.

FD · « **Reply #43 on:** November 07, 2009, 03:44 »

Quote from: fotografer on November 04, 2009, 10:08

In defence of Dzain she even said on the SS forums that she was going to come over to this site to let off steam as she didn't want to post it on Shutterstock's own forums.

Ah, I stand corrected then, and my apologies to Dzain, especially if it's a she.

Albert Martin · « **Reply #44 on:** November 07, 2009, 04:22 »

Quote from: Allsa on October 02, 2009, 15:41

I wish they would stop urging contributors to look at the 'top 50' best selling images to get ideas. I get sick and tired of having my ideas ripped off and the worst offenders are on Shutterstock. Why not encourage people to be original? They attract contributors who couldn't come up with an original idea if their lives depended on it.

Go Istock and exclusive - they await for such people who want to sell ideas.

;-)

Albert Martin · « **Reply #45 on:** November 07, 2009, 04:41 »

Quote from: PixelBitch on November 04, 2009, 10:29

When I have a great original idea I shoot it for RM where it might earn decent money...

Quote from: stockastic on October 02, 2009, 16:22
Allsa, you gotta be kidding. Of course they want all their contributors to copy the big sellers, so SS can have more big sellers. They could care less about originality.

Last time I looked at that 'top 50' I concluded most of them got there by keyword spamming. Now there's something to complain about.

Great answer!

PixelBitch · « **Reply #46 on:** November 11, 2009, 01:42 »

My pleasure Albert...it's important to keep a realistic perspective of the stock business!

Quote from: Albert Martin on November 07, 2009, 04:41

Quote from: PixelBitch on November 04, 2009, 10:29
When I have a great original idea I shoot it for RM where it might earn decent money...

Quote from: stockastic on October 02, 2009, 16:22
Allsa, you gotta be kidding. Of course they want all their contributors to copy the big sellers, so SS can have more big sellers. They could care less about originality.

Last time I looked at that 'top 50' I concluded most of them got there by keyword spamming. Now there's something to complain about.

Great answer!

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Author Topic: What do you disagree about SS?? (Read 13702 times)

Dreamframer

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ThomasAmby

anton9

bestshotz

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PixelBitch

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Microbius

FD

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