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Actualy it's 4 clicks -> Account settings/-> Licensing options, click "NO/NO" for image and video sales, click save settings. Don't sell yourself for $0,10 per image.

This is true, but from what other collaborators say they have done so it seems that SS continues to sell the images and probably pocket 100% of the sale.
To permanently delete photos you have to do it for single photo !!!
Unless that's true
It just takes a little while for the database to update. If you disable you will see your number of images go down soon after.
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That was exactly my fear. As I don't trust them anymore,  I deleted my images instead.

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May I tell you what I did?
Instead of disabling my images I erased them. I left only my first ones: I confess they were really bad, I was unexperienced about post processing and image composition. I thought "if they have the guts of selling them, they are really good, I don't know if these images deserve 0.10$" But it just happened ! Yesterday I sold an image of many years ago that never sold before  ;D.
Okay, seriously speaking I'm going well at Adobe and Alamy and I cannot leave here my best images to compete.
If things get worse everywhere, better sell by myself (as I'm already doing for a particular niche of images), because at that time the agencies will sell only garbage. 

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But now it takes much more legal work:
I live in European Union and it is practically impossible (without tools like Shopify) to track VAT transactions for every sale from every country, because % changes by customer's location. And keep all the info about transactions/customers for few years, in the meantime being complied with GDPR, etc. And all the tax work that follows it - you can't do it without an accountant.

Please don't make a big issue of everything. Professionally I do websites, daily privacy policies and GDPR compliance for my customers; there are ready-made plugins to make all you say, including VAT transaction for every country: not only that, but they also check it against the customer's IP address: it is really a breeze  :)


But you have expertise..most here are photographers, not website gurus, and dont want to be. It kinda sounds like you are here to advertise and sell your services, not contribute to the actual topic of uniting photographers.   ::)

No, you don't need me.
All you need is to get the (mostly free) apps and plugins to do automatically what only a few years ago required long hours and fluent profanity.
Long ago it took a professional chauffeur to maintain and drive a car; nowadays one still needs a bit of know-how to do that, but nonetheless just anyone does it: cars have become much easier to handle.
I know it's hard to believe it, but the world of the web is going the same way: in a few years what used to be awfully difficult has turned surprisingly easy.
I'm not advertising or trying to sell my services, just to help people look around and find out that the world has changed.

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But now it takes much more legal work:
I live in European Union and it is practically impossible (without tools like Shopify) to track VAT transactions for every sale from every country, because % changes by customer's location. And keep all the info about transactions/customers for few years, in the meantime being complied with GDPR, etc. And all the tax work that follows it - you can't do it without an accountant.

Please don't make a big issue of everything. Professionally I do websites, daily privacy policies and GDPR compliance for my customers; there are ready-made plugins to make all you say, including VAT transaction for every country: not only that, but they also check it against the customer's IP address: it is really a breeze  :)

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Why don't you take your vintage collection and go with it to another thread? It is free to create a new thread!

The original post is about UNITY between contributors and not self-interest of particular individuals.

My original post was actually meant to suggest that we (at least those who have the guts to do it) start with an own virtual shop, and then have them all coalesce into a sort of portal that might give a healthy headache to the agencies - and to offer my help if needed.

Regrettably though due to lack of interest the subject drifted away, but that's not of my doing, sorry.

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I'm aware that there are a lot of vintage images around: for me it is more a matter of passion than of business. An advantage is that most of my material is exclusive in the sense that some of my books are rare and their images seem not to be online. I'm crossing the fingers...

2 good reasons -- passion & a niche  -- something that's needed to keep working in stock these days.  I've got several old atlases & civil war books that I've been slowly scanning, but SS doesnt take many of those these days.  afterwards I sell the individual maps on ebay.
Oh, that's sounds very interesting! Have you tried Alamy, Adobe and Dreamstime? They are my best sellers for the vintage images, Alamy on the top.

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I followed at a distance the Simbiostock experiment: IMO the basic idea is still appealing, although it think that the way it was technically carried out proved not to be the best.
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I focused on reducing the cost of the hosting by developing a fully automated OFFLINE procedure (on my computer) to prepare the data before uploading them:
-      fully automated .csv files  - including the automation of Excel - to populate the product webpages
-   ftp to upload the files to be sold and the watermarked images to be displayed
-   no manual intervention required
-   no extra costs for a special hosting.

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Now after a months work my fresh new website is taking off satisfactorily. To get started, rather than my favorite shoots I chose a niche that had already proved quite profitable: illustration scanned from old books (I am an avid collector of antique dusty tomes), refurbished and processed.


great looking site - but how did you 'automate' the time-consuming process of captioning and tagging? symbiostock had the automated features you describe (using metadata rather than csv), but still took time to prepare the images for upload. 

 but tech problems weren't the biggest problem  --  even with the combined search across hundreds of individual sites, we never drove enpugh traffic to our sites;  especially after google exponentially expanded their 'googleimages' displays.  my images often show up on the first pages of results, but they're not from my symbio site - they're links to 123, ss, et al.   

it all comes back to getting the links - your SEO expertise may let you break thru, so please come back to report after a few  months -- but did you know the following

<li>alamy  "Vintage Nostalgia" -->  Stock Photos and Images (2,251,158)
<li>SS -->  354,743 vintage nostalgia stock photos, vectors, and illustrations

Thank you Steve!

I prepare the shop pages entirely offline, ready to upload: for this purpose I've automated the metadata extraction (keywords,caption,size etc.) and combined them with the other web page parameters (categories, featured image url, dawnload urls etc.)  by means of a VB applet developed "in house".


Yes, SEO is the other big problem, I know what you mean and I don't know if I will be lucky enough to succeed.

Anyway I have begun to delete my vintage nostalgia images from the agencies with the lowest prices and royalties (1000 off from 123RF today), but if the customers keep buying them from Alamy rather from my website I have no objection :-D
Let's what happens once the search engines (not only Google) are done with the indexing of my new site...


I'm aware that there are a lot of vintage images around: for me it is more a matter of passion than of business. An advantage is that most of my material is exclusive in the sense that some of my books are rare and their images seem not to be online. I'm crossing the fingers...

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Couple of, so far - it's been up for just a few days.
Customer service? ???

Photodeck, Smugmug, Photoshelter, Pixieset, Wix, Squarespace, Shopify, Wordpress Plugins and 10 more.
Have you really seen their prices and performances? ;D ;D ;D

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What is the refund procedure? What about VAT for customers from European Union? What is the legal agreement between you and your customer which garantees that they are safe to use an image how they intend to? What license do you sell?

I'm not asking you to answer all that :) just I had no idea how to deal with that by myself if I would open the shop.

No need to clog this forum, just peek in my site and you'll find all the answers there.

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Btw, website is cute! Good luck :)

Thanks  :)

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I'd love someone to come up with disruptive innovation to drive prices back up.
Ive been reading a lot here and I would like to say that I think there is a way to shake loose the agencies.
The problem has ever been the way of piecing together and maintaining a proper website, the costs and the time. It seems that nobody thinks that this is really feasible, and that joining several websites of this kind at the same hosting place would result into a portal alternative to the agencies.
I followed at a distance the Simbiostock experiment: IMO the basic idea is still appealing, although it think that the way it was technically carried out proved not to be the best.

I'm mainly a web programmer and SEO expert (who loathes the social, sorry :-)) and secondly a photographer. As such I couldnt resist the temptation to build my own virtual shop, and eventually I was surprised myself by how little expensive my effort has been, both in terms of money and of time.

I focused on reducing the cost of the hosting by developing a fully automated OFFLINE procedure (on my computer) to prepare the data before uploading them:
-      fully automated .csv files  - including the automation of Excel - to populate the product webpages
-   ftp to upload the files to be sold and the watermarked images to be displayed
-   no manual intervention required
-   no extra costs for a special hosting.

Now after a months work my fresh new website is taking off satisfactorily. To get started, rather than my favorite shoots I chose a niche that had already proved quite profitable: illustration scanned from old books (I am an avid collector of antique dusty tomes), refurbished and processed.
My investment? All together $171.00 (hosting included) !

If you like the idea, have a look at: https://vintage-nostalgia.com
Or find more details on the subject in my blog here.

Should you feel tempted too, Ill be happy to give you a hand :-)

The problem there is that most of us are NOT web programmers or SEO experts, and you haven't included the cost of your time for both those things in your $171 investment. Nor have you mentioned how much your website is making for you each month.

Many of us spent a lot of unpaid hours building our own Symbiostock sites, only to lose money on them.

No, you're right, I didn't include the cost of my time. As always the first step was huge - it took me the best part of one month - but now that the necessary software is written and I've learned the ropes, a stock website like mine (graphics obviously excluded) would hardly take me longer than a couple of days - no big money.

It's a bit too early to provide a sales statistics as in the few days my site has been working the search engines were still indexing it. Ask me again in a month or so...

I understand the frustration you (and not only you) got from Simbiostock, but their software was way less than agile and there was plenty of manual work still required, which made it quite an awkward and time-consuming business. That's what gave me the courage to try despite their poor success.

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Now after a months work my fresh new website is taking off satisfactorily.
My investment? All together $171.00 (hosting included) !

I can show you ways to make it for even less money and without all that technical hustle that you did :)
By all means, please tell me!  ;D

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How are the sales and customer service are going so far?
Couple of, so far - it's been up for just a few days.
Customer service? ???


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I'd love someone to come up with disruptive innovation to drive prices back up.
Ive been reading a lot here and I would like to say that I think there is a way to shake loose the agencies.
The problem has ever been the way of piecing together and maintaining a proper website, the costs and the time. It seems that nobody thinks that this is really feasible, and that joining several websites of this kind at the same hosting place would result into a portal alternative to the agencies.
I followed at a distance the Simbiostock experiment: IMO the basic idea is still appealing, although it think that the way it was technically carried out proved not to be the best.

I'm mainly a web programmer and SEO expert (who loathes the social, sorry :-)) and secondly a photographer. As such I couldnt resist the temptation to build my own virtual shop, and eventually I was surprised myself by how little expensive my effort has been, both in terms of money and of time.

I focused on reducing the cost of the hosting by developing a fully automated OFFLINE procedure (on my computer) to prepare the data before uploading them:
-      fully automated .csv files  - including the automation of Excel - to populate the product webpages
-   ftp to upload the files to be sold and the watermarked images to be displayed
-   no manual intervention required
-   no extra costs for a special hosting.

Now after a months work my fresh new website is taking off satisfactorily. To get started, rather than my favorite shoots I chose a niche that had already proved quite profitable: illustration scanned from old books (I am an avid collector of antique dusty tomes), refurbished and processed.
My investment? All together $171.00 (hosting included) !

If you like the idea, have a look at: https://vintage-nostalgia.com
Or find more details on the subject in my blog here.

Should you feel tempted too, Ill be happy to give you a hand :-)


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Compliment for the site! super! very well thought.
Few years ago i made my website to sell images, but few months after I gave up, to much time to care...speaking of difficulties I know what you mean :-)
Compliment also for the endurance.
Are you thinking of any synergy among photographers and/or illustrators on the Shopify platform?
That could be a very good alternative to the agencies.

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Hi,

this is my first post here.  I am in the microstock market since some years as contributor with an average of 1500 images per agency .
I read several posts here and at SS forum about a drop of the images sold through SS.
I observed a sensible fall too in my earnings at SS (35-40%) since July 2016 - the trend keeps going - but at the same time I 'm blessed with a remarkable rise of earnings and sales at DT, FT and Istock, and slower but also noteworthy at Alamy with a satisfactory end of the month to compensate SS,  adding something more at the total  ;)

Anyone else with the same experience?






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