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why?have you never seen bananas hanging outdoors in front of fruit shops for example?or hanging outdoors on the wall? :D


No.

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I would be interested to know if photos of bananas outdoors,in the grass for example,are allowed,or hang on a rope against the sky... in short,the only important thing is that they are bananas in a real environment and that the background is not plan,It doesn't matter which environment right?

The brief didn't say "real environment", but "real life situations".
I am not sure a banana on a rope hanging against the sky is what I would consider a "real life situation"?
At least for me bananas hanging from the sky is not a situation I usually come across in real life. About outdoors I would say something like a banana on a picknic blanket might count as "real life situation", but I can't think of many other situations where I might be finding bananas outdoors.

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Canva / Re: Guess yall better leave Canva!
« on: September 28, 2023, 11:22 »
For those contributing to Canva, it's worth noting this section:

"(d) For the avoidance of doubt, if you withdraw entirely from the Contributor program, Canva will retain the right to use your Stock Media to develop and improve artificial intelligence or machine learning models, unless you opt-out."

So opt out before you quit or they can use your work forever


So, just like with every other agency that announced using our images for AI training and talked about offering us an "opt-out" option my question is the same: WHERE THE HECK IS THE OPT OUT OPTION?!

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Now for clarification - I am basing my comments on what people have said here If I am mistaken in my understanding of the situation, please do clarify.
That being said - with my current understanding of what is being offered - $30-$80 for a set of 500 images (if indeed that is what the amount is, someone said $0.06-$0.16/image?) is a pittance on several levels...

The exact numbers are 60-80$ (depending on the mission) for 500-1000 images. Thus $0.06-$0.16/image.

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Yeah, also got it.
They started with it already a month ago, here is the original thread: https://www.microstockgroup.com/fotolia-com/missions-for-adobe-stock-images-for-ai-training/

Looks like they did not get as many images as they hoped for and opened the missions to more people now. Seeing as the deadline is October 6th that's not a lot of time left to create 500-1000 different images of the same topic for the people who were invited just now. And at 0.06-0.16$ per image it hardly seems worth the effort.

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I just got the e-mail for the second time within a month saying they reset my password because they "detected some suspicious activity".
Bigstock really needs to get their crap together if apparently they have such a security problem.

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Adobe Stock / Re: review times??
« on: September 26, 2023, 06:04 »
I'm sure that AS is doing everything possible to adapt to this new situation.

Like what?
Mat specifically said they are not looking for new reviewers. So, the rate of images submitted increases by 50, but they don't increase the reviewer numbe at all, which is the only possible solution. Obviosuly they don't have enough reviewers for the mass of AI images they get and the ones they have seem to work under extreme stress, seeing what kind of wonky images with impossible physics and trademarked items they let through in masses.
As far as I can tell AS is doing exactly nothing to adapt to this new situation.

And I would not mind the long review times, if it wouldn't mean that it became impossible to get time sensitive images approved in time. With seasonal content it is extremely crucial to get the timing exactly right to give the images their best sale potential. And with completely unpredictable review times that has become impossible. I started Halloween images when review times were around 7 days and calculated my submission time according to that. Suddenly the review time is not 7 days anymore, but 7 weeks+. How am I supposed to plan with something like this?

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Can you generate this on Midjourney?
« on: September 26, 2023, 06:00 »
Ok. Thank you.

Pardon my ignorance but is that just 16:9 upscaled or what size could that image be before it is upscaled?

I think it could have been any size. Most resizing tools will let you set the output dimension, so I could, for example take an image that has 1500x1000px and set the output dimension to 6592 x 2880px. But you would of course get an image where either part of it has been cropped off or that is distorted, so that doesn't make much sense. Probably was something like 1648x720px before resizing.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Can you generate this on Midjourney?
« on: September 26, 2023, 04:26 »
No, Midjourney currently can't create images with such a high resolution, but any image from Midjourney can be upscaled with the proper tools. Photoshops isn't one of them in my opinion. Photoshop Lightroom has an Super Resolution feature, but it's meant for RAW files and while there is a workaround for jpgs, the results are not satisfying compared to other tools like Topaz or ON1 in my opinion.

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Adobe Stock / Re: Adobe Stock generative AI reminders
« on: September 25, 2023, 13:52 »
Is it safe to use holiday names in AI-generated content? Like if I (or actually AI) make a banner for Black Friday or Cyber Monday with that text? Or any international "insert random thing" day? Like international headphone day, or international day of poker players?

Why should it not be? Holiday names are not copyrighted.

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How do you create with pushing a button on a camera?

I do not know about you, maybe you are only doing snapshost, but my microstock photos are more than just "pushing a button".
It can easily take me an hour just setting up backdrops and lighing equipment and arrange photo props for one photo. Then taking the actual photos and editing them can easily take me up to 30 minutes per photo as well.
Now I can get the same result in 5 seconds with Midjourney....


And I already told the story once about how everyone constantly wants me to take photos of ther wedding, their child, their pet, their anniversary and when I offer to just give them my camera, then suddenly it seems to be more than "pushing a button" after all and they tell me they just can't make the photos look and I have to do it. So my "pushing abutton" seems to be different then their "pushing a button" after all?  I am so sick of my skill and effort in taking photos being downtalked whenever it suits someone, but when I tell people to just do it themselves it suddenly becomes an unieque skill only I seem to possess?

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Why don't you create specific targeted sellable content with ai and then explain to me again how your mind was never involved doing that?


No one said your mind wasn't involved doing it. But you did NOT CREATE it. All you did was describe it.
I've described and let AI create enough sellable content (from comparing our numbers better than you) to be able to judge my human involvement in AI content creation and it's hardly there.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: New watermark
« on: September 24, 2023, 09:05 »
watermark doesn't make much sense nowadays.
With 40MP+ DSLR watermarks at small resolution preview doesn't make much sense.
At microstock you will make the money with high resolution on demand DLs or EL.
If someone buys an Image for $0,X subscription or someone downloads a low resolution preview for "free".
There is not much difference.
If there is a need for a high resolution images or EL, they will probably buy it.

I do an excessive reversed image search on my sold images each month and 90% of my sold images are being used only in low resolution. Yet I make my living from microstock alone.  Enhanced licenses are very rare for me and only make like 10% of my income and most  of my"on demand downloads" are between 0.10-40$ on Shutterstock these days. So I beg to differ. If you sell several thousand low resolution subscription images each month that adds up to quite a big amount and is the foundation of my income.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: New watermark
« on: September 24, 2023, 06:44 »
This new very minimal watermark is super easy to remove with Photoshop generative fill

If the image has copy space on the side you do not even  need to take that much effort. Just crop the image. Many customers want square shaped images for social media anyways. This new watermark is an insult.

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Adobe Stock / Re: Adobe Stock generative AI reminders
« on: September 23, 2023, 01:45 »
Did anyone have anything rejected because of mentioning "antique" artists' names?  I often mention styles like "Rembrandt" and "Vermeer", but they died 400 years ago ...   Does Adobe say anything about long-dead artists?  (and do the reviewers know?)

Adobe's website says this:
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Content created by prompting with artist names if their works are no longer under copyright may be acceptable as long as you verify that no other rights apply to the prompt (e.g., publicity rights, cultural heritage rights, etc.). If you are unsure if you have the necessary rights, do not submit content made using that prompt.

Personally I would not risk it. Adobe has a twitchy finger when banning accounts.

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I am also not sure what it means, but with how microstock agencies always try to make announcements about cuts in royalities for us sound like some kind of improvement,  I would guess.... probably nothing good.

Isn't Canva paying all contributors out of the same pot, basically dividing their earnings? That would mean if we get paid for more stuff, the same amount of money just gets divided into smaller sums for everyone.

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How many prompts will it take to get the right unique image??



When a customer searches for a photo in a microstock agency, what do you think how many images/pages he or she has to click through to 'get the right  image'?
The very fact that images on the top of a serach for a particular keyword get sold so so so much more often than an image on page 3 or page 30 clearly shows that the majority of customers is not searching for that one ominous "right" image. They serach for something that's good enough to fit their need and they are not willing to spend hours browsing microstock agencies for that one special image, but will take the first that is good enough for their needs.
And getting something that is 'good enough' with an AI generator takes me about one prompt and 5 seconds.
And the customers who are willing to spend hours searching in a microstock database for that one "right" image will not mind spending the same time promting AI images.

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From the ones I submit to only Adobe and Dreamstime. Zoonar too, but only if you use them to distribute the images to Adobe and Dreamstime - which obviously you would not do if you submit to them directly.

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Dall-e3 will allow artists to opt out

https://openai.com/dall-e-3


I am VERY curious how that feature will work. Do I submit all of my 10.000 images to them manually to have them opted-out? Since DALL-E's training  is based on simply crawling the whole internet for images, I am not sure how I can keep them from using my images, especially as a microstock photographer where my imags can be found all over the internet. Even if I sent them a link to one website and say "don't use these images", there are literally 10.000 websites out there that use my images. So will they then not use my images from one scource, but instead use them from all the others? I am pretty sure DALL-E's attempt to offer an opt-out option is really just there for image polishing and to prevent lawsuits, so I can't imagine they will go out of there way to offer a really effective solution for this.

Also, metadata indicating the item was created by genAI is nice, but there are so easy ways to manipulate metadata, that I am not really sure it will do much good. People honestly disclosing an image or text was AI created are not as much a problem as people claiming AI generated content was human created and the people who want to lie about it, for example to submit AI images to microstock agencies that don't allow it like Shutterstock, are exactly the people who will manipulate it.

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For all the frustration being directed at Adobe for not asking nicely first and making it an optin instead of opt out...please keep in mind that Midjourney has scraped the entire internet and is happily creating content with the help of all our images. And they did not pay us 1 cent.

Yeah, but
1. it still remains to be seen whether what they did was even legal.
2. They did not shout "We are doing this fair and ethnically"  from the top of the roofs and then screw us over. (So that every customer could hear and believe it). This is just a marketing spin for Adobe. Especially since they used 'unethical' created AI images to train their 'ethical' AI. This shows how little they really care.

Just because one company decided to treat us even worse, doesn't make what Adobe is doing right or should take away our right and reason to complain. You would not defend  how Amazon is paying and treating their employers just because, somewhere out there, there is a company that treats their employes even worse or defend a father who beats his child once a day, because somewhere there is a father who beats his child three times a day.
But some people here seem to think we should even be thankful to Adobe for treating us like crap, just because others treat us even worse.

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Adobe Stock / Re: review times??
« on: September 20, 2023, 02:16 »
For me there seems to be a strange new pattern emerging: I am not getting any images, no matter whether they are real photos, illustrations, pngs or AI, reviewed at all for several days in a row. The only expection are editorial images. And then I suddenly get a rush of a lot of images being reviewed and then I am again getting no images reviewed at all. I did not have a single image reviewed since Friday. Last week I had a lot of images reviewed. The week before than almost none for the whole week.
I never get any images reviewed on weekends, but now it also happens on weekdays for several days in a row.
And if this would somehow be in accord with my upload pattern and I would not upload images for several days, then I would understand it - It's simply not "my turn". But I submit images daily and even spread out my uploads through the whole day, so there should be some daily reviewing going on if reviewers were working off the review queque chronologically. But that doesn't seem to be the case?

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(so their income from regular images will drop more but their income from AI training will increase)

Why do you think that? The income per image used for training on Adobe is much smaller than for selling a license for normale usage. In my case on Adobe is was less than a cent for an image. How am I supposed to earn more from AI training than from selling my real photo licenses in the future like this?
Also, don't you think the market for AI image generatores will be saturated pretty soon? Do you think new AI engines will keep popping out for the next 100 years? Some of the AI engines like modjourney are already creating almost perfect results in almost every topic. Their demand for new images (apart from the fact that they do not pay us for training anyways!) for them is minimal. They might need new images every couple of years for some things like technology where appearance changes fast. But even if I popped out a million  of new photos of new cell phones and electric cars each year and got paid for each image for training by Adobe I would still be making significant less than what I used to earn till now with what little money Adobe gave us for training.  And I actually did the math for 1 million images and mean that literally. Of course there is no way I could even produce 1 million real quality photos each year. I haven't even managed that in 10 years.

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Adobe Stock / Re: review times??
« on: September 19, 2023, 01:29 »
I had some editorials go through pretty quickly....maybe they are finally getting a handle on this?

I am afraid not. Editorial photos were reviewed fast all the time, nothing has changed about that.

Waiting 28 days for real non-editorial photos now....   :(

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Canva / Re: Canva July sales are in, and it's not good
« on: September 18, 2023, 06:47 »
I agree that it's not your typical agency, but the design tool drives traffic that requires images/graphics, and these are almost all licensed from the images available in the database.
Yes, but the traffic you want to compare to traditional microstock agencies is the one people create by searching and buying images. The traffic they create by using the tools is extra traffic that does not 'translate' into sales.
Web traffic is the data sent and received by visitors to a website. Each time someone clicks a button on Canva, that's "traffic". I can get an image on Canva and then spend 3 hours doing a template with it. Creates a lot of traffic, doesn't mean anyone gets extra sales. So that Canva has more traffic than Shutterstock does really not say much about how sucessfull it is for contributors comapare dto other agencies.

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Canva / Re: Canva July sales are in, and it's not good
« on: September 18, 2023, 02:43 »
Yes, Canva gets several times the web traffic of Shutterstock. 5x as much according to sites like "similarweb".

I am not sure whether web traffic is what you can compare to each other, because Shutterstock is only a microstock agency, while Canva is also a graphic design tool, so part of the traffic is not generated by customers buying images, but using the tools.

I know there are some people who say Canva was their best earner, but if you look at the poll, Canva does not even make it into the top 10 in terms of revenue. I know if you have the right graphics you can probably make a lot of money.
When I signed up with Canva, they told me that they would not accept my images on white background, but that I should make them transparent pngs, because these were the images that would get sold the most on Canva. So, for example, if you have a lot of transparent pngs you will probably do much better there than someone doing travel photos. That's why I think Canva is one of the top earners for some contributors, but not for most. It's just not your typical microstock agency.

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