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« on: August 19, 2023, 18:51 »
I don't know who or where reviewing is happening, but the results would be funny if it wasn't undermining stock images as a useful resource 
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« on: August 19, 2023, 18:47 »
I wonder if this is connected to a large drop in the size of the genAI collection at Adobe Stock between Friday evening and Saturday morning. On Friday evening the collection was over 14.7 million and on Saturday morning 14.19 million - were a number of infringing images removed?
Edited 23 Aug to note that the numbers had climbed back to about 14.5 million by Tuesday evening but were at 14.04 million Wednesday morning. Another large chunk of content gone
Late afternoon 23 Aug - 13,799,741. More removals (although there are new items at the beginning of the most recent sort order, so new content is still getting approved
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« on: August 19, 2023, 18:45 »
"A federal judge on Friday upheld a finding from the U.S. Copyright Office that a piece of art created by AI is not open to protection." https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/ai-works-not-copyrightable-studios-1235570316/Howell is the judge in the case. "The question presented in the suit was whether a work generated solely by a computer falls under the protection of copyright law.
In the absence of any human involvement in the creation of the work, the clear and straightforward answer is the one given by the Register: No, Howell wrote.
U.S. copyright law, she underscored, protects only works of human creation and is designed to adapt with the times. Theres been a consistent understanding that human creativity is at the core of copyrightability, even as that human creativity is channeled through new tools or into new media, the ruling stated.
While cameras generated a mechanical reproduction of a scene, she explained that they do so only after a human develops a mental conception of the photo, which is a product of decisions like where the subject stands, arrangements and lighting, among other choices.
Human involvement in, and ultimate creative control over, the work at issue was key to the conclusion that the new type of work fell within the bounds of copyright, Howell wrote."https://mashable.com/article/ai-art-copyright-debatehttps://www.theverge.com/2023/8/19/23838458/ai-generated-art-no-copyright-district-court"Nobody really knows how things will shake out around US copyright law and artificial intelligence, but the court cases have been piling up. Sarah Silverman and two other authors filed suit against OpenAI and Meta earlier this year over their models data scraping practices, for instance, while another lawsuit by programmer and lawyer Matthew Butterick alleges that data scraping by Microsoft, GitHub, and OpenAI amounted to software piracy."
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« on: August 16, 2023, 15:31 »
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« on: August 16, 2023, 10:32 »
https://www.theverge.com/2023/8/16/23834146/adobe-express-firefly-generative-ai-release-design-app"The generative features in Adobe Express are neat when they actually work, but theyre not in the same league as other Firefly-powered features like Photoshop Generative Fill." I spent a little time with Firefly beta a couple of days ago to see if it had improved since my last experiments and IMO it's just not usable yet. This page still says (beta) for the generative AI features: https://www.adobe.com/express/?clickref=1100lxHLAxSQ&mv=affiliate&mv2=pz&as_camptype=&as_channel=affiliate&as_source=partnerize&as_campaign=skimlinks_phghttps://www.techradar.com/computing/artificial-intelligence/adobe-express-adds-firefly-ai-to-its-free-plan-for-next-level-creativity"We do want to warn you to not expect too much from this rendition of Firefly. Like a lot of other free image generators, the results can look rather nightmarish..." https://www.redsharknews.com/adobe-express-with-firefly-moves-out-of-betahttps://petapixel.com/2023/08/16/new-adobe-express-is-available-now-and-built-for-everyone/https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/adobe-firefly-generative-ai-is-now-available-to-all-adobe-express-usershttps://appleinsider.com/articles/23/08/16/adobe-express-with-ai-firefly-app-is-available-worldwidehttps://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20230816666128/en/All-New-Adobe-Express-With-Firefly-Brings-Generative-AI-to-Creators-Worldwidehttps://www.bakersfield.com/ap/news/all-new-adobe-express-with-firefly-brings-generative-ai-to-creators-worldwide/article_eb6f740e-e550-5464-b83d-9500d0a3b0a0.htmlhttps://www.computerworld.com/article/3704794/adobe-express-with-generative-ai-exits-beta-available-now.htmlOn copyright issues: "One interesting note is that while Adobe has been working intensively with AI to augment its creative products, when it comes to generative AI the company was early to recognize the need to avoid copyright abuse. Already, weve seen instances in which assets created by these tools have abused the copyright held by creatives, and given the companys position as a provider of creative solutions for creative users it was smart to think about how to avoid being in such a position.
This is why Firefly and the gen AI used in Express and its other products has been trained on unique data, rather than copyrighted assets. Given that inadvertent abuse of other peoples intellectual ideas has now been recognized as a big problem, its reassuring Adobe got to this early."On Firefly: "The generative AI features are also really promising, generating some great results, though I would advise against using it to create faces, hands, or groups of people the tech finds it hard to create those convincingly."Usable or not, contributors were told that when Firefly was out of beta there would be a compensation model for us - I haven't heard anything from Adobe Stock about compensation for data training
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« on: August 16, 2023, 07:45 »
6 days after crossing the 14 million threshold, Adobe Stock's genAI collection has topped 14.5 million - 14,502,719 this morning
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« on: August 15, 2023, 10:51 »
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/08/the-new-york-times-prohibits-ai-vendors-from-devouring-its-content/"...in section 4.1, the terms say that without NYT's prior written consent, no one may "use the Content for the development of any software program, including, but not limited to, training a machine learning or artificial intelligence (AI) system." NYT also outlines the consequences for ignoring the restrictions: "Engaging in a prohibited use of the Services may result in civil, criminal, and/or administrative penalties, fines, or sanctions against the user and those assisting the user." "For now, what has already been scraped is baked into GPT-4, including New York Times content. We may have to wait until GPT-5 to see whether OpenAI or other AI vendors respect content owners' wishes to be left out. If not, new AI lawsuitsor regulationsmay be on the horizon."
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« on: August 13, 2023, 15:33 »
Back in May, Google announced a feature "coming soon" that would provide more information about images in searches, including if the image was AI generated. https://techcrunch.com/2023/05/10/google-introduces-new-features-to-help-identify-ai-images-in-search-and-elsewhere/The example shown half way down of a midjourney image whose about text said "Image self-labeled as AI generated". It noted: "Google says several publishers are already on board to adopt this feature, including Midjourney, Shutterstock and others."It didn't say Adobe Stock, but based on a search I did this afternoon, (a) it needs to include all the stock agencies and (b) the feature is needed now and isn't there (Google didn't say when it would ship, but that article was 3 months ago). I saw a new genAI image supposedly of "Colorful morning scene of Sardinia, Italy, Europe. Fantastic sunrise on Capo San Marco Lighthouse on Del Sinis peninsula"  I did a google search in another window to see how close the AI image came to the real thing (even though it also went on my list of genAI images claiming to be of real places which Adobe says not to do). I was horrified to see the image page included genAI images from Adobe Stock and Pixta as well as photographs of the real thing (for the moment, Wikipedia and the photos on Google maps will have to be the reference). There is nothing that identifies these images as AI generated and there must be - from Google or Adobe Stock or both. I redid the search in an incognito window to be sure I was getting clean results. See below (click to see full size)  I think Adobe Stock should enforce its rule about not labeling real places or people for genAI content. I also believe that Google search results urgently need to mark AI images - they realize the need, but AI generation is moving faster than they are. Searches will be next to useless if the pretend content is indistinguishable from the real
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« on: August 11, 2023, 16:16 »
I request payment once a month - typically at the end of the day (US east coast) on the last day. My payments from Adobe, going backwards from July to January 2023 were: 8, 9, 12, 6, 8, 9, 6 So they're a bit later than usual, but not totally off the charts. I don't see any reason for it to take as long as they say - a couple of business days should be enough for an automated process (and if it isn't automated, why not?). I'm assuming they'd rather keep the money longer and they set a deadline that avoids peasants (us) rioting, not because of any necessary part of the business process. If they'd implement an option for automatic payout and deposit in my bank account, (like I used to get from Alamy before I left them), I'd sign up. I don't think tending to the contributor interface, stats, tax forms, payouts, etc. is high on their priority list, which is why nothing much gets improved. However, I don't think we need to worry about them having enough cash to pay us. They're solvent.  Edited to add that I got my (PayPal) payment this evening
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« on: August 11, 2023, 10:19 »
...So, what is going on, i still am not sure i understand! They are building a crowd-sourced AI image collection, but made by customers testing their generator ...
In addition to the quality being uniformly terrible, the images are all square. They don't say the size, so it may be the default 1024x1024 of DALL-E
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« on: August 10, 2023, 15:46 »
Every time I see some bizarre details and think..oh I will just leave that, nobody will notice...then I think: but wait!
What if Jo Ann finds it??
You are making me a better ai artist...
I live to serve!! I've been editing images for decades and spent oodles of time removing sensor spots, logos, numbers on sails, anything that could look like a number on a sail to an inspector, and so on. I have lots of scar tissue from lots of rejections but I learned what a clean stock image should look like. (Obviously you also need to have a decent composition to start with). I'm mostly furious that the agencies have just abandoned so many of their standards and are accepting stuff customers can't possibly use. I'd love to scold the inspectors but I can't Sorry if it comes off the wrong way.
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« on: August 10, 2023, 09:27 »
AI optimists say that genAI images will keep getting better, but I'm not seeing much evidence of that - although genAI at Adobe Stock is light years ahead of SS's sad AI collection Better with hands and fingers?  Better with staircases?  Better at important details of the real world? Such as supermarket aisles where one person can barely fit through, forget carrying a basket or pushing a cart...  Better at obeying the laws of physics? And this is part of a series of impossible turtle behavior. Enough of the negativity! Halloween's not far away and there's a mass of genAI content of pumpkins and orange flowers decorating porches, patios and steps. Many of them seem to have forgotten that doors open and people have to walk down steps. Those pumpkins are disturbing...  I'll spare you the creativity gone wrong - ramen burgers, vintage clothespins and spooky coaches!
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« on: August 10, 2023, 08:02 »
Just two weeks after crossing the 13 million mark, the genAI collection is now over 14 million - 14,062,823
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« on: August 09, 2023, 18:03 »
Two different images, two different contributors - one premium, one standard collection. Both the same size. Both are AI, but they are uncannily similar  .  In addition to the issues of genAI repeating itself, it's hard to see why one of them is $249 and the other regular subscription.
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« on: August 09, 2023, 17:58 »
They say that millions of images were prompted...where are they? I can always just find a few thousand if I do a search and say i want ai only.
I assume that most of the items generated were too bad to include? They have about 800k total available for download. SS's FAQ says what a customer generates may be available (not will be...) suggesting it's at SS's discretion
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« on: August 09, 2023, 10:31 »
https://www.shutterstock.com/ai-image-generatorShutterstock customers generate the images that show up in their acknowledged AI generated collection https://www.shutterstock.com/search?image_type=generated&sort=newestFrom the top link: "Shutterstock users looking for AI-generated images in our core library can use the AI-generated image filter on the Image search results page. All AI-generated images displayed has been generated using our Shutterstock AI image generator. We are still unable to accept AI-generated image submissions from contributors due to concerns regarding the safety and licensing of content created using other generative tools and models." They have bucket loads of AI generated images that have been uploaded by contributors that aren't marked as such and that their inspection process didn't catch
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« on: August 08, 2023, 16:05 »
https://arstechnica.com/ai/2023/08/google-record-labels-working-on-deal-covering-musical-deepfakes/"Google and Universal Music are in talks to license artists melodies and voices for songs generated by artificial intelligence as the music business tries to monetize one of its biggest threats....Warner Music, the third-largest music label, has also been talking to Google about a product, said a person familiar with the matter." I hope that in time we lose the cavalier attitude about it being OK to steal copyrighted, human-created content because you can't do fun AI things without it.. Edited Oct 20 to add a story about Universal Music suing Anthropic for using copyrighted lyrics in its clone of ChatGPT (Claude): https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/10/universal-music-sues-ai-start-up-anthropic-for-scraping-song-lyrics/"In addition to regurgitating lyrics, Claude responded to prompts asking for writing in the style of popular musicians with unlicensed lyrics, the music companies alleged. When we asked the AI model to write a piece of short fiction in the style of Louis Armstrong, it uses the lyrics for What a Wonderful World, the companies said in the filing." "Publishers embrace innovation and recognize the great promise of AI when used ethically and responsibly. But Anthropic violates these principles on a systematic and widespread basis, the music groups said in Wednesdays lawsuit."
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« on: August 08, 2023, 15:38 »
while looking at SS ai gen'd images (which they earlier said couldn't be submitted) i found this one with terribly rendered faces
https://www.shutterstock.com/de/image-generated/wet-plate-photo-indian-village-where-2329686851
No wonder in the earnings call that SS execs mentioned that the quality of photo-reallistic AI needed to improve before customers would download!! That's not even usable as a flood-damaged or fire-damaged photo. Embarrassingly bad.
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« on: August 08, 2023, 13:05 »
I've spent way too much time looking at AdobeStock's fast-growing genAI collection and regularly have that flash of recognition for a face - a sense that I'm sure I've seen that person before. I've tracked a couple of these down using AdobeStock's excellent "Find Similar feature and it's as if there are a handful of models for each age/ethnicity group and everyone's using this tiny set of people. Their pictures are everywhere! I don't think this is copying another's images; I think it's the limits of the engines contributors are using to create content. There are now 13,860,209 items in the genAI collection (obviously not all people) and apparently a limited set of pretty faces to draw on. Each one of my examples is from a different contributor. Here's a selection from 24,355 similar images to the top left item I saw this afternoon (click to see full size)  You can see the entire set of images here. I'm sure people will point out that photographers can share models in the real world too, but the issue is scale - AI can just pump out near-endless quantities of this stuff. From a buyer's point of view, I don't want every other company's ad to look so similar, and that's going to become extraordinarily hard. The guy's impossibly fit, tanned and handsome - and multi-talented, well traveled and perennially happy. Ideal stock model if he could ration his appearances just a little
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« on: August 07, 2023, 12:05 »
The Guardian ran a story about the use of AI tools in architecture and what this means for the profession and the product: https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2023/aug/07/ai-architects-revolutionising-corbusier-architecture"The promises and perils of AI have been gripping the world of architecture and design in recent months, but few have grasped that the revolution is already under way. Image-making tools such as Dall-E, Midjourney and Stable Diffusion have allowed the effortless creation of seductive visions: skyscrapers in the style of Frank Lloyd Wright, fantasy mash-ups of sci-fi and art nouveau, squidgy marshmallow staircases, buildings made of rubbish. It might be entertaining to visualise Gaud designing kitchen gadgets or Le Corbusier embracing parametricism, but AI is already being deployed to shape the real world..." "...XKool is at the bleeding edge of architectural AI. And its growing fast: over 50,000 people are already using it in China, and an English version of its image-to-image AI tool, LookX, has just been launched. Wanyu He founded the company in 2016, with others who used to work for OMA, the architecture practice of Rem Koolhaas (hence the company names). They had become disillusioned with what they saw as an outmoded way of working. It wasnt how I imagined the future of architecture, says He, who worked in OMAs Rotterdam office before moving to China to oversee construction of the Shenzhen Stock Exchange building. 'The design and construction processes were so traditional and lacking in innovation.' "
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« on: August 07, 2023, 12:00 »
NY Times article (paywall) about fake travel guides for sale on amazon. One book used as an example had an AI generated author photo - they pointed out the tell-tale signs. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/05/travel/amazon-guidebooks-artificial-intelligence.htmlamazon should do better in weeding this print-on-demand fakery out, but the scale of the problem when there are bucketloads of these types of fakes being generated makes it hard even if you are being dilligent. "Mike Stevess author photo shows anomalies consistent with its having been created by A.I., including unnatural elements on or near the ears (in this case, a partially formed earring) distorted clothing and a blurry and abstract background." The story is overall about the proliferation of AI-generated largely useless guides with fake "rave" reviews: "a new form of travel scam: shoddy guidebooks that appear to be compiled with the help of generative artificial intelligence, self-published and bolstered by sham reviews, that have proliferated in recent months on Amazon. The books are the result of a swirling mix of modern tools: A.I. apps that can produce text and fake portraits; websites with a seemingly endless array of stock photos and graphics; self-publishing platforms like Amazons Kindle Direct Publishing with few guardrails against the use of A.I.; and the ability to solicit, purchase and post phony online reviews, which runs counter to Amazons policies and may soon face increased regulation from the Federal Trade Commission."
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« on: August 04, 2023, 13:32 »
midjourney doesn't have a collection of ready made images to download. you have to create your own by prompting. which takes time to learn.
and midjourney cannot give you legal protection, because as their own ceo explained himself how they scraped the entire internet without licensing anything.
Are the agencies offering legal protection?
Adobe Stock is, but to its enterprise customers creating Firefly output only. Adobe Stock's current getAI content comes from all the current generative AI tools, none of which is on a secure legal footing. Theoretically Firefly will be - if and when it exits beta - because Adobe trained on its contributors' content + public domain stuff. Adobe's CYA for the content it is accepting is telling contributors they need to ensure they have the rights for commercial use of the content they upload. But Adobe knows as well as anyone that no contributor can know that with Midjourney, Stable Diffusion, etc. Shutterstock is but only for enterprise customers and things created with their (DALL-E 2 based) tools, not for all the genAI stuff uploaded to their site in spite of the rules saying its not allowed. Their earning call this week said that very few customers are using any of the output from their own AI tool as the quality isn't there: "... lack of true photo realistic outputs are holding back widespread adoption for actual marketing campaigns" No idea what DepositPhotos, CanStock or 123rf are offering.
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« on: August 04, 2023, 13:18 »
The reason I would be nervous about that is it potentially signals lower earnings overall.
If you used to earn $250 a month, a $100 payout isn't an issue. When earnings drop to $99 a month, you're unhappy for two reasons. So they drop the payout to $50 so at least you get paid every month. Repeat the cycle as earnings drop to $49 a month etc. etc.
Especially if they see a future with lots of contributors getting data licensing only payouts - ones that come infrequently - having a lower threshold means they don't get people having to wait 6 months (or whatever the data licensing contributor fund interval is) to get paid.
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