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3101
« on: May 31, 2013, 11:14 »
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3102
« on: May 31, 2013, 11:10 »
Leaf have you seen http://www.pro4um.com/ I think they charge around $250 a year. I was a member at one point in time although I never participated (I got it for free). It was mostly civil although even after paying that much money there were still arguments and angry insulting posts every now and then. I think charging that much would keep out most of the undesirables but like I said before we are all competing against each other so I doubt there would be the level cooperation necessary to make it worth the price. Look around now almost nobody posts anything that will give their competitors an edge. I don't know what you want to accomplish but kicking out half the people here probably won't do it.
3103
« on: May 31, 2013, 01:38 »
I've been keeping away from here for some time and .......
So if there is a change, it would not have made a difference in any case....? Some peoples logic?
I'd say vlad, microbius, and michealo all had positive things to add to this forum. It's sad to see 3 people leave just at the suggestion of changing the site but I suspect many many more would leave if the change actually happened.
Was referring to the specific individual's statement.
Sorry about the rest as well, but I think their reactions was very emotionally charged (and totally over reacted IMO). As Tyler said, this was just put up for discussion.
We've both been here a while. Some people only post once every few months but they have been doing that for years, didn't you take a break for a while? My guess is the decision has been made to try this out and that's why people are already leaving.
3104
« on: May 31, 2013, 01:10 »
I've been keeping away from here for some time and .......
So if there is a change, it would not have made a difference in any case....? Some peoples logic?
I'd say vlad, microbius, and michealo all had positive things to add to this forum. It's sad to see 3 people leave just at the suggestion of changing the site but I suspect many many more would leave if the change actually happened.
3105
« on: May 31, 2013, 00:56 »
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3106
« on: May 30, 2013, 23:06 »
I would be happy to see the change. I would be happy to see the people who use the anonymity here as an excuse to act rude and crude leave here.
Would you also be happy to see everyone else leave who uses anonymity to stay out of trouble when they post unpleasant things about an agency? What about people who don't want to be copied? ETA thanks for the negative but how do you disagree with a question?
3107
« on: May 30, 2013, 17:22 »
(Oh yes, and I am saying this without hiding behind a fake pseudo) 
My pseudo is as real as they get.
3108
« on: May 30, 2013, 14:11 »
That only addresses part of the issue for some of us who are anonymous. People can post that they are having a BME without worrying that the first thing everyone who reads the post is going to do is go straight to their portfolio to see what they are doing right and then take as many ideas as they can.
Or, people might go to the port and discover that the poster is probably guilty of a certain degree of exaggeration. If I wanted to copycat Id look at most popular, best selling etc not follow up someone trying to big himself up for whatever reason.
People keep saying how nobody posts good news in the Istock monthly sales thread, my guess is that's because they know that is exactly what will happen. Even the monthly sales thread here seems to be much much shorter than it used to be.
Alternative theory maybe not so much good news there??
1. It's not just the most popular images that people copy and everyone already knows what those are, it's the more niche subjects that I don't want people copying from my portfolio (see what happened to the handshake shot after I posted that it sold a couple times, now everyone has a picture of one). 2. Maybe not so much good news, but I know I don't post on the Istock forum for the reason I stated above even though sometimes I have good news.
3109
« on: May 30, 2013, 13:23 »
Pieman, is Lobo your real name?
Nope Pieman is, It's Simon Metta Pieman. LOL
Funny how the point of real names is lost in nit picking. ID names on FM forums are the same as here and everywhere else, just Pseudonyms for Real People. The idea isn't that everyone has to use their real name, just that a real identity is connected to the account. Amazing how someone could miss that (like Semmick) and twist it into something it isn't?
Use me as an example. You know who I am, you know where to find me, you know my email, you know my website and without much thinking can find my SS and IS portfolio's. I'm a real person. Same with another thousand or so people here.
Now take some other person, one who had six IDs and was finally banned. Is that what makes the forum content more valuable and honest information for people who care about the business and market? Or is it just a waste of time with some adult child, disrupting and attacking others, for their own self amusement. Which contributes nothing to the site integrity or knowledge base.
Yes to the "show me your photo" pat me on the head bunch. Seems very popular on some microstock forum that's inhabited by troubled trolls as well. Yes, means, yes I agree it's not very useful and I don't participate in the ego stroking from either perspective. I don't criticise photos in the forums, except maybe to mock something now and then.
Tit for tat, fair game, but the little poking critics would take your best seller and explain why it's all wrong and never could be accepted or sell, because if it's close cropped it's too close and if you give it space, it needs to be cropped closer. (as an example) Or some mythical depth of focus, perspective, lens distortion, lighting or it breaks the rule of thirds. The contrast is too high or lacks definition.
Doesn't matter, everything is always, wrong. So asking for compliments is about as useful as asking for constructive criticism. (Some Times the critiques are useful for beginners try to get accepted at IS or SS)
Using Sean as the poster boy for, we must be secret is absurd. There's only one agency that has threatened and actually closed accounts for what people write on OTHER microstock forums. It's not IS or SS. (or DT or 123, or DP or P5 or BS...) There are many people here who don't live in fear and are not lap dogs for the agencies. If the whole claim that they will close our accounts is true, how about the thousand people who don't use an anonymous ID here?
If there's something honestly wrong, we should be able to speak out and should also stand behind what we write. Not hide behind a collection of anonymous unknown source pseudonyms. For the sake of credibility, attribution and the integrity of the forum, real people behind the accounts makes more sense.
That only addresses part of the issue for some of us who are anonymous. People can post that they are having a BME without worrying that the first thing everyone who reads the post is going to do is go straight to their portfolio to see what they are doing right and then take as many ideas as they can. People keep saying how nobody posts good news in the Istock monthly sales thread, my guess is that's because they know that is exactly what will happen. Even the monthly sales thread here seems to be much much shorter than it used to be.
3110
« on: May 30, 2013, 09:21 »
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3111
« on: May 30, 2013, 08:51 »
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3112
« on: May 30, 2013, 08:22 »
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3113
« on: May 30, 2013, 08:09 »
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3114
« on: May 29, 2013, 19:03 »
I was also given a taste of what a 'real identities' forum is like, and I like it and wondered that that would be here.
It may not be the same here, people have different interests that aren't compatible. Bruce and Stocksy want to bash all the microstock sites and photographers to gain some part of the market, I don't think that will be reconciled by getting rid of anonymity.
See, that's the kind of thing it's fun to hide behind an anonymous account and say 
What would change if you knew my name, could see my portfolio, or saw how much I was making? This is what I believe Stocksy's marketing plan is based on the things I've heard from Bruce http://blog.microstockgroup.com/bruce-livingstone-interview/ especially at the beginning of the interview. Me being anonymous doesn't change what he said. Maybe if I wasn't anonymous you could insult my portfolio?
3115
« on: May 29, 2013, 16:28 »
I was also given a taste of what a 'real identities' forum is like, and I like it and wondered that that would be here.
It may not be the same here, people have different interests that aren't compatible. Bruce and Stocksy want to bash all the microstock sites and photographers to gain some part of the market, I don't think that will be reconciled by getting rid of anonymity.
3117
« on: May 29, 2013, 16:08 »
My first reaction is "no". My second reaction is "Oh He11 no!".
I use my name by choice, and out of laziness. I've tried being anonymous a few times, although I have never been anonymous from Tyler. Mostly though, I am just me, because it's such a PITA to have to shift back and forth between accounts.
Also, because I have a certain sales level, I didn't (until Sean-mageddon) worry that I would be penalized by the sites because of my opinions. In fact, I figured my opinions would carry more weight with any agencies who might be reading. I assumed my sales level insulated me a bit. Well of course now we all know that no amount of sales completely insulates anyone.
I hope it's obvious from this thread that we will lose quite a few valuable contributors if anonymity is forbidden. It is also very obvious that it will sanitize the conversation to the point of rendering the site both boring and useless. Yes, it might get rid of the occasional troll, but it seems to me to be a case of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
Surely most of us have the intellect to spot a troll and ignore him or her without draconian measures punishing every other anonymous poster. By the same token, most of us should be able to identify a valuable or intelligent post by its content, without having to check a portfolio to see if the person is "worthy" of being listened to. We aren't children and should not need our precious and delicate sensibilities protected to such a degree.
JMO.
Don't forget about Bobby Deal (that's his name right?), he was kicked out of Fotolia I think for what he said on this site. If I wanted to contribute to Fotolia there is no way I would say a bad thing on here with a link to my real name, username, or portfolio.
Yes I remember and Laurin Rinder also had his account terminated at Istock for something he posted at MSG about the review process at IStock. They deleted his entire port in direct response to his post here.
Laurin Rinder didn't get kicked off for something he said it was for something he did. (although talking about it on the forum is what got him caught)
3118
« on: May 29, 2013, 15:34 »
But I ask you to convince me:
What are the advantages for the forum (not for the individual) to have anonymous participants.
You wouldn't get to hear me anymore if anonymous participants weren't allowed. If that doesn't convince you I don't know what will.
3119
« on: May 29, 2013, 13:23 »
Hey T,
Looking at the response to the question on your votes I would say it is a strong support towards the YES as the people that are trolls and angry posters are going to be the first to vote against it so you probably have to decrease the NO votes by a good 25%-50% This was a joke ya'll!
Cheers,
J
Yikes, I don't have a clue what that means. I think you're calling me a troll but I'm not sure.
3120
« on: May 29, 2013, 13:13 »
... If you were making, say, $2,000 - $4,000 a month from a particular site, would you be reluctant to post something negative and have your account closed in retaliation?
Let me answer that for you Lisa:
YES!
If you have any questions regarding my response, kindly refer to Sean Locke for further clarification! That is all.
Or have everyone copy your work, to me that's the bigger concern although agency retaliation is a real possibility.
3121
« on: May 29, 2013, 13:11 »
3122
« on: May 29, 2013, 13:09 »
My first reaction is "no". My second reaction is "Oh He11 no!".
I use my name by choice, and out of laziness. I've tried being anonymous a few times, although I have never been anonymous from Tyler. Mostly though, I am just me, because it's such a PITA to have to shift back and forth between accounts.
Also, because I have a certain sales level, I didn't (until Sean-mageddon) worry that I would be penalized by the sites because of my opinions. In fact, I figured my opinions would carry more weight with any agencies who might be reading. I assumed my sales level insulated me a bit. Well of course now we all know that no amount of sales completely insulates anyone.
I hope it's obvious from this thread that we will lose quite a few valuable contributors if anonymity is forbidden. It is also very obvious that it will sanitize the conversation to the point of rendering the site both boring and useless. Yes, it might get rid of the occasional troll, but it seems to me to be a case of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
Surely most of us have the intellect to spot a troll and ignore him or her without draconian measures punishing every other anonymous poster. By the same token, most of us should be able to identify a valuable or intelligent post by its content, without having to check a portfolio to see if the person is "worthy" of being listened to. We aren't children and should not need our precious and delicate sensibilities protected to such a degree.
JMO.
Don't forget about Bobby Deal (that's his name right?), he was kicked out of Fotolia I think for what he said on this site. If I wanted to contribute to Fotolia there is no way I would say a bad thing on here with a link to my real name, username, or portfolio.
3123
« on: May 29, 2013, 01:18 »
See ya later then. I'm out.
3124
« on: May 28, 2013, 23:51 »
What does that mean?
I think it means at other times you can be very persnickety over wording used by others and you jump on it.
your role as iS fanboy is well documented, but this is a new agency. I think it's ok to be a little excited and talk about first sales and first experiences, either here or in another thread. It's (and I mean: The stocksy board) hardly out of hand just yet.
have you been over in the Symbiostock threads and bag them out too, for being happy about first sales? or is just Stocksy you dislike?
Gotcha, I thought I cleared that confusion up already (forum or sub-forum, I'm still not sure which is correct). The Stocksy thread doesn't just show up for people that want to see every time someone gets a sale, it shows up for everyone and I would rather not block the whole Stocksy forum (sub-forum to be correct maybe?) in case there is some actual information coming out and there is a place to post your finds in one thread already. About Symbiostock, I've blocked them from showing up for months now so I really have no clue as to what they are doing. My guess is that they aren't insulting other photographers the way Stocksy does though.
3125
« on: May 28, 2013, 17:22 »
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