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Messages - Jo Ann Snover
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« on: July 06, 2023, 16:09 »
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« on: July 06, 2023, 11:27 »
https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/shutterstock-offers-enterprise-customers-indemnification-for-ai-image-creation-856356568.htmlShutterstock is offering Enterprise customers legal indemnification for AI generated content "This is a critical advancement, not just for our platform, but for the industry as creatives and business professionals alike can use the AI content generated on our platform for any purpose, whether it's commercial or personal, without worrying about copyright infringement or ethical issues....We're excited to play a leading role in shaping how generative capabilities can be leveraged ethically, safely and in more creative ways than ever. We feel it's a crucial step towards protecting our customers and our artists."
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« on: July 06, 2023, 09:00 »
People here have been arguing about Picfair for years - here's just one from nearly a decade ago: picfair-raises-$520k-to-take-on-gettyIn general, good sales generate talk in the contributor community and I've never heard anything about Picfair taking off. I think many would dearly love to have an alternative to the agencies and that keeps the various self-hosting options bumping along. They have apparently opened up full features to the existing free accounts until July 27th, so you can try out what you pay for to see what you think. As far as I know they don't do marketing - which is the key thing in getting your work in front of prospective customers...
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« on: July 06, 2023, 07:33 »
And the collection (of acknowledged genAI content) is now over the 11.5million threshold - 11,507,885
July 12 it is 11,911,724
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« on: July 05, 2023, 18:58 »
Thanks for posting that information. I'm no longer with Shutterstock, but if I were, I think the only sane choice is to opt out of the data catalog so they can't benefit from wholesale, no-explanation-no-appeal rejections.
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« on: July 05, 2023, 15:11 »
This image was approved some time today (not from the contributor in the OP). I sat there moving my fingers to be sure the 5-digit hand position was impossible (the 6 digit hand was enough for a rejection anyway) Portrait of happy senior businessman in white suit and eyeglasses showing thumbs up isolated on white background.
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« on: July 05, 2023, 14:40 »
The port referenced by the OP has a lot of earlier work that's not AI generated - about the most recent 1/3 is AI as best I can tell. genAI work that shouldn't have been accepted goes back many months - this isn't just a problem with the queue being jammed right now. And you can't report anything on Discord unless you're a "level 10" which I'm not. The evolution of this port goes from... Levitating fruit slices  to mutant veggies  to luggage you pull with your butt  to 6-digit hands  The problem with specific places being used is that the items show up in searches and Adobe's rules say you shouldn't identify AI images with specific place or people's names. I don't (normally) read the titles, but just look at what is returned for search input. Getting irrelevant results is a basic problem (and I know keyword spam has been around for a long time and isn't controlled either, but that doesn't excuse uploading AI mistakes).
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« on: July 05, 2023, 14:02 »
...If you take a pensioner and fire them out of a space station air lock. Then drag them back in using a hook on a pole, and return them to earth .... free fall from high earth Orbit and they arrive on the Earth's surface at terminal velocity and land in a strategically placed trash can, that's being used to burn plastic cups, then as long as you allow a teenage crack addict high on miracle grow and kerosene to have at it with a glue gun, bag of walnuts and a brown condom ... ta da ... this is totally accurate.
You should be writing science fiction horror stories! You know where you can get material to illustrate your book 
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« on: July 05, 2023, 12:45 »
... but in principle illustrations are art and dont have to depict the real world....
I have left out all the obviously interpretative stuff from any of the criticisms. There are plenty of terrible illustrations of the Golden Gate Bridge that AI has produced as well...  Adobe can call photo-realistic images illustrations all it wants, but if it shows up in a search for a buyer and looks like a photo, they'll treat it like a photo. And even if they select photos - excluding illustrations - they'll still get AI mess-ups  Art can do whatever a human artists wants it to, but a stock agency that sets standards for content uploads needs to be responsible for adhering to them. Buyers depend on that assurance. Rules are meaningless if they're not enforced.
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« on: July 05, 2023, 11:23 »
Stock agencies are not a documentary place of the real world....
True, but with photographs that say they are of specific places - the Colosseum, Eiffel Tower, Big Ben, Golden Gate Bridge, Bridgewater Place (Leeds, UK), Venice, Greece, etc. - they actually are. One of the many problems with the AI content gold rush is that agencies set rules saying not to identify AI images as of real places or people, but they're not enforcing them. Adobe rules https://helpx.adobe.com/stock/contributor/help/generative-ai-content.html123rf rules https://www.blog.123rf.com/123rf-guidelines-for-ai-generated-contentAI Golden Gate Bridges (there are many more)   If it looks realistic, it needs to be accurately labeled. Given accuracy is something AI can't handle, the agency rules - don't label actual places or people - make sense. And don't label body parts when they're (a) inaccurate and (b) gross - warning: don't click on this if you're squeamish.
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« on: July 05, 2023, 09:32 »
The collection is now over 11 million gen AI images (there are more but they're not marked. I can't know which the 11 millionth is, but how about this one of a waterslide no one should ever go on:
The death trap water slide has now been removed since I posted it on the Adobe Stock Discord
Thank you. I've noticed a few other images that have been "disappeared". I have watermarked previews or I'd think I had gone crazy The problem continues though as recent approvals are still laden with "oops" images at a rapid rate. Adobe has to get a handle on this on the inspection side IMO.
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« on: July 05, 2023, 09:26 »
...How can photographers compete with this from now on? ...
To me, this seems like an echo of Yuri Arcurs - a distinctive style, it sold a lot, but it didn't prevent other contributors with other styles from plying their trade. Not everyone liked the Yuri Arcurs look, and I cannot imagine it will be any different with the (to my taste) slightly freakish AI look. Even for a stock image, it's so fake-looking even though all the humans are at some level gorgeous. And that's just for the people and lifestyle categories - there are others. Assuming buyers continue to have a need for a wide range of subjects, all those existing sales won't vanish. AI is utterly cr$p at some types of images right now.Even assuming it gets better, it may still end up in the fantasy-perfection-land that the lifestyle and home interior images currently inhabit. That leaves an opportunity for something that looks more "real world" as a section of stock that human-created content can fill. I just had my second best month ever at Adobe Stock - and that's in June, versus November which is typically my big month. There are buyers out there for the not-AI-look or I'd have seen a downturn instead of an upswing. My two big concerns are (1) lots of content that is AI generated that isn't tagged as such; and (2) masses of AI "oops" images that should not be in the Adobe Stock collection. We don't want buyers turning away from stock agencies as unreliable sources as that will hurt even those not providing AI work.
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« on: July 03, 2023, 19:52 »
...I know Jo. It's tragic. But if you're in the market for Pintomatapples, avocana Orangebeets, or a dear child wielding a monkey paw clutching a Qwetty keybone then look no further than Adobe house of hilarity.
I thought I'd put Firefly beta to work - you might be onto a really hot new market segment there Click for larger size 
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« on: July 03, 2023, 14:45 »
At the risk of inciting another troll-stom, here's where the collections are 3 Jul 2023. I've omitted 123rf because I can't figure out how I got it to give me just the AI generated images a week ago. There are images marked as AI generated. There instructions for uploaders about the category it has to go into, but I can only find an "exclude AI" option in a search of the plus collection. Go figure... Adobe Stock AI collection 11,284,930 Dreamstime AI collection 3,253,125 CanStock collection (search for "generative ai") 792,769 Shutterstock collection 660,215 iStock collection (keyword "AI Generated Image") 167,373 DepositPhotos collection (search for "generative ai") 100,211 3,221 vectors 5,498 photos 2,425 illustrations 207 videos
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« on: July 03, 2023, 14:38 »
That overview conveniently omits any mention of the training of the models that are now generating images. Without our images as source input for training, none of this would exist - the article makes it sound as if it the software could create images on its own: "...synthography synthesizes images based on words and ideas, creating pictures depicting literally everything one can imagine".
Without the training material to associate those words and ideas with imagery, there'd only be the prompter's imagination and blankness. A little honesty about the process would go a long way (not as far as getting paid for the wholesale use of a web's worth of words, images, etc., but a long way)
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« on: July 01, 2023, 11:08 »
Mat was very clear in the livestream that genAI images that were wrong in any way, or which included logos or other IP, should not be submitted. That's exactly what should happen, but it is not what is happening. The inspectors are letting in thousands of nearly-real-but-hopelessly-wrong images every day (I've been monitoring in the past week). So contributors are submitting them and inspectors are approving them.     This has been removed  This has been removed  And this is just a very, very small sample...
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« on: June 29, 2023, 14:30 »
That's a nice idea, and I have thousands of examples I could offer, but I'm not allowed to post in that channel. I'm not level 10 (whatever level of activity that means) so I can't participate.
"The rules:
1) We post the URL to the image, not to a portfolio. Links to a portfolio where we need to find the image will be removed, it's not helping us 🙂
2) We explain the issue we see (auto traced vector; weird hands, etc.).
3) Not everyone can participate on this channel. You need to be an Active Member (having reached level 10) or a Creative Challenge Winner (perks of winning).
4) Slowmodeis active, so this won't get flooded. Be patient, or try to put several links on the same message.
5) We will remove messages about quality issues on other chat channels.
6) If this becomes a space for vendettas or personal attacks, people engaging on those behaviors will be on time out for 48 hours.
7) I reserve the right to change/adapt/modify or add new rules here, that won't be applied retroactively."
I get that they don't want spam or nuisance posts, but requiring you be active in their Discord channel versus licensing lots of stock images seems like the wrong way to go about it...
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« on: June 28, 2023, 23:43 »
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« on: June 28, 2023, 08:44 »
The collection is now over 11 million gen AI images (there are more but they're not marked. I can't know which the 11 millionth is, but how about this one of a waterslide no one should ever go on: 
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« on: June 28, 2023, 08:20 »
I have written to various site's legal compliance people when I have found my images in someone else's portfolio. Most sites take care of the problem although some - Shutterstock, I'm looking at you - are unbelievably slow. In a couple of Shutterstock cases, twitter-shaming got them unstuck after a long wait with no action.
DMCA takedown notices also work, but they're a pain to do and so that's only if there are no other options - FAA has a Shutterstock collection and had one of my images in it. I wrote to FAA in October 2020 to ask them to take it down as my SS account was closed 6 months earlier (SS has 90 days to remove from partner sites). FAA wrote back and told me to submit a DMCA takedown notice, and it was eventually removed.
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« on: June 27, 2023, 19:42 »
"Unfortunately, Secret Invasions AI credits are exactly what we should expect from Marvel" https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/27/23770133/secret-invasion-ai-credits-marvel"Soon after Secret Invasions first episode debuted, executive producer Ali Salim confirmed to Polygon that visual effects company Method Studios had used AI tools to help generate the credits, calling the approach explorative and inevitable. As that glib use of inevitable might indicate, Marvel appeared to be unprepared for the blowback the news created particularly at a time when artists have been voicing their concerns about the proliferation of AI tools and seemed not to have considered how its use of the technology might be seen by some as a sign of things to come."
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« on: June 27, 2023, 13:23 »
Perhaps June 28th?
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