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I would not be surprised if other stock agencies were already marking their images in some way. BUT I would be surprised if they'd talk about it, even to the owner of another agency.  They'd use one of the more sophisticated hidden watermarking schemes that supposedly will survive resizing or crropping - so they'd have it in place in case they found someone ripping them off in a major way. 

It seems to me this is only going to get worse. Subscription pricing would let a crook cherry-pick thousands of highest-quality images that would, over time, bring in much more than he paid for them when re-posted as new portfolios elsewhere.

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StockXpert.com / Re: 0 views on new images - still
« on: May 13, 2009, 20:07 »
I haven't followed this Veer thing.  What is it, really? Just another microstock?

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StockXpert.com / 0 views on new images - still
« on: May 13, 2009, 18:53 »
Many submitters still see 0 views on new images.  This problem began sometime in February and was acknowledged (sort of) by StockXpert quite a while ago, but people continue to post on the StockXpert forum, saying their recently uploaded images get no views, and there are no more official replies. 

Since the search results are weighted - in part - by past popularity,  no views of an image while it's new amount to a kiss of death and it sinks like a stone.

I was one of the submitters getting 0 views, and I quit uploading to StockXpert weeks ago.  I am wondering if anyone else has news on this situation, or has maybe continued to upload and seen things improve.  Based on the forum posts I'm seeing, nothing has changed.

I know some of you are now ready to jump in and say "no problem, it's working for me",  but please do not add to our pain with tales of success    :(    as it is now well known that this problem does not affect all submitters, and that older images continue to sell.



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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Dumb rejections
« on: May 12, 2009, 09:38 »
IStock can have any keyword rules and search algorithms they want.  The difficulties contributors have with the current rules are:

1.  They're different from all the other microstocks.
2.  They're different from what they used to be.
3.  They're not clearly spelled out anywhere, at least not that I've seen.
4.  Various IStock contributors will give you differing spins on them.
5.  IStock's reviewers apply them inconsistently.
6.  Even IStock's own people can't give you definitive answers (see thread about "business").
7.  Guess wrong, and your AR is dinged and you go back to the end of the review line.



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New Sites - General / Re: Kachoozie
« on: May 11, 2009, 21:03 »
I am sorry I even looked at that logo. I will have bad dreams.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Dumb rejections
« on: May 11, 2009, 20:26 »
Ok, I read that IS thread about "business".  What a bunch of immature, pouty 14-year olds.     ;D



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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Dumb rejections
« on: May 11, 2009, 19:18 »
Gee I'm sorry, Dad.

But I think it's a perfectly logical question and relates directly to the original poster's complaint.  In order to use the keyword "business" do I need to have people in the photo who are obviously engaged in "business"?   A quick search on IS tells me the answer is "no".  There are many shots of objects that relate to "business" far less directly than a pair of handcuffs relate to "arrest".


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The topic is "iStock Content to Sell on Photos.com and JupiterUnlimited".  My comment was that the costs of making IStock's images available through this new channel could be minimal, and if so, that would be a factor in the financial calculations behind this deal.  I find that relevant to the discussion.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Dumb rejections
« on: May 11, 2009, 18:39 »
Then I think you can add "no elephant" too, if there's no elephant in the shot.   :)

Reason with me here.  IStock allows the keyword "business", it's in their controlled vocabulary.  But you can't photograph a business. It isn't an object, it's a concept that gives context to what's actually in the image.     So when, exactly,  can I use the keyword "business"?




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Well hey, what do I know, anyway?  I have 20 years in software development and maintain a retail website that sells software via download and online activation.  So just idle speculations on my part. 

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The additional cost for making the photos available on JIU/photos.com might be next to nothing.  If IStock's system is a clean back-end architecture they can grant access their database to a new marketer who then extends his own front end to search and display those images along with what they already have.  The content (images with associated keywording, indexing, popularity ranking, exclusivity flags etc) doesn't have to move, or be duplicated. It may already be on a big globe-spanning back end like Amazon's infrastructure.

Any changes to that content by IStock are immediately reflected in search results at the new outlet.   After the front end is set up,  ongoing costs to the new outlet might be just those of bandwidth. 

One database - multiple front ends.  Multiple prices.  Maybe one takes VISA, the other Discovery. 


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they will sneak it in somehow .... they are pretty darn good at that .. they do whatever is best for the company - and to be fair that is correct ... that is their obligation ...
That is one of their obligations.  Another is to deal with people honestly and openly.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Dumb rejections
« on: May 11, 2009, 11:48 »
So for a photo of handcuffs, "arrest" is not sufficiently relevant. But "nobody", is ok.

IStock is truly another world.    I think I'll start adding "walrus" and "carpenter" to all my IStock submissions.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Dumb rejections
« on: May 11, 2009, 10:30 »
Ok, so let's say the keywords can only literally describe what's in the picture.  They still require a minimum number of keywords, right? At least that's what DeepMeta is telling me.  So how many synonyms can you think up for "handcuffs", that are in IStock's controlled vocabulary?   And for every wrong guess, another 2 weeks in the penalty box.


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iStockPhoto.com / Re: 5 Applications and still no luck!
« on: May 11, 2009, 10:25 »
Not to repeat myself, but...  I advise not spinning your wheels trying to get into IStock because even if you do, you may end up even more frustrated when they reject what you feel are your best shots, and you can't figure out why.  And now they've added weird keywording rejections to the mix.  The extremely long review times make it hard to make progress unless you keep notes on which images were rejected, when, and why.   

And when you finally do get some shots up there you may find, as I did, that there are no sales at the end of this road.   I think it depends a lot on your subjects, but for me, it's just been a big waste of time so far.

I suggest concentrating on other sites until you get a feel for what sells, among the shots you are able to do.  Once you have a sizeable group of images that are selling on a couple other sites, you can try pumping them into IStock and see if any of them sell there, too.

Some submitters seem to produce what IStock wants and get good sales but for me, sales at IStock are insignificant compared to Shutterstock.  The steady sales at SS - even though the money is peanuts - have helped me learn what sells.

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StockXpert.com / Re: Makes you wonder...
« on: May 10, 2009, 13:54 »
I just checked their forum again - no change. Some people still get posting that they get 0 views on new images.  Other contributors chime in and say "gee it works for me."   Um thanks for sharing, people, but for some of us, StockXpert is broken.

'Admin' no longer posts any replies.   

I think there's no one home at StockXpert anymore.  It's just a big web site sitting on a server somewhere, doing its job, maybe wondering what happened to the friendly humans that used to maintain it.




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Someone please explain to me why Alamy makes contributors upload these gigantic resampled images.  To me it makes no sense at all.  It's a huge waste of storage for Alamy -  they could just automatically upsample an image themselves for download, instead of storing all these terabytes of previously upsized images, and use the best (most expensive) software to do it.  If the upsampling software is improved, buyers instantly start getting better images.    It's a big waste of time for contributors too.   

I think it makes Alamy look like a bunch of old f@rts who don't understand the technology.


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My thinking is probably biased because my sales so far have been about 99% subs.  It's hard for me to believe there is even any other sort of buyer out there.   But my sales have been mostly on SS, where I think subscription buyers are picking up my images because they're new, not because they're finding them by keyword search.


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As I see it buyers are offered several price points on every microstock. with subscriptions being the lowest of course.  While the prices themselves may have increased, my impression is that subs make up an ever-growing percentage of sales. So the result is an ever lower average return on an image.  Isn't that what's happening?


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sharpshot, admittedly I have only been in this a few months.  I am getting twenty-five cents per sale.  Yet you are saying prices, - even for subscriptions - have "gone up a lot".   










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Getty wants to own the image business, and they want to end up with 2 tiers.  They'll continue to use subscriptions and forced cross-listing to drive down microstock prices until serious, talented professionals (which I am not, btw) give up. Microstock will become just a giant bargain bin full of mediocre and/or dated images.  New, high quality images will only be available at much higher prices, through other Getty outlets.

Microstock will survive for a while but eventually technical standards and expectations will creep up - higher resolution, better lighting, more dynamic range - and cultural styles and editorial subjects will change - so the old archives won't sell as well.  New microstock images will come from hobbyists who don't need to recover their costs, but won't spend money on professional models, lighting, setups or locations.

Embrace, extend, extinguish.

(These are just my own, relatively uninformed, ideas - although I'm serious, I actually think this is what's happening.)

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Dumb rejections
« on: May 09, 2009, 13:11 »
The keyword "arrest" is in their approved vocabulary.  But if you can't use it with a picture of someone in handcuffs,  when can you use it?

 I recently had a similar keyword rejection that left me wondering what the heck I actually could use. 

Maybe their new system is trying to assign concepts on its own. For example, maybe if you search on "arrest" IS will show you pictures including the keyword "handcuffs".  But I doubt it.

Here is what really p!sses me off: why don't they just remove the keywords they don't want, and accept the image? Why punish contributors with this dumb guessing game, and another 2 week review cycle?  I'm trying to keyword honestly, and imaginatively, to help them sell photos. I'm not gaming their system.









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madelaide - downsizing, or resampling, would very likely destroy it.  Maybe there's some black-hat stuff that NSA uses, that distributes the "watermark" data around the image.   

I don't think there's a simple answer to this problem.   

Bottom line, I think, is establishing the identity of contributors.  If I just create a login and start submitting photos by FTP, the site has no leverage on me. If they know and have verified my identity, and I submit someone else's copyrighted material, then it's a law enforcement matter.  The problem of identifying such material still exists.


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I'm talking about information embedded in the image pixels itself.  This technology is already used to, for example, detect image tampering.  It can no doubt be beaten somehow, although probably not without degrading the image.

http://netzreport.googlepages.com/hidden_data_in_jpeg_files.html

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Technology exists to put hidden watermarks in jpgs.  Of course pixels have to be altered, but  it can be done in such a subtle way that the human eye couldn't distinguish it.  This is not new and I'm surprised that IStock and other microstocks aren't doing it. It would let you filter out images that were purchased at other agencies.

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