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not getting any views is not a good reason to stop uploading...
I disagree. Like many (most?) sites, StockXpert includes  both 'popularity' and newness in their search ranking, which is something of a circular reference. As your new image ages, there's a popularity 'curve' it has to stay on or it sinks out of sight.  So iIf your image doesn't get any views while it's new, it's lost.  Something happened at StockXpert a few weeks ago and new images stopped getting views.  Many submitters noticed this ans some decided to stop uploading now, and not waste their images, in hopes that StockXpert gets fixed in the future.


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Looks like they removed some of the negative posts from their forum - in particular, a recent thread where several people said they'd stopped uploading because their new images were getting no views.   

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General - Top Sites / Re: Sales on Shutterstock vs. Fotolia
« on: April 16, 2009, 17:53 »
Ah, Adobe Illustrator and AutoCAD - pretty much what I thought - major investments.   

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General - Top Sites / Re: Sales on Shutterstock vs. Fotolia
« on: April 16, 2009, 17:21 »
I'd like to get into vectors, and I think I could do some that would sell, but I know zero about the techniques in use today.  I don't even know what applications people are using to create the vectors I see.  Of course many are obviously 3D renderings requiring a major software investment.  But where are the 2D things coming from? Photoshop?  Excuse my ignorance - I'm strictly a photographic guy. 

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Some rejections have been spot on, for example reviewers spotting color noise in dark areas. But this "well covered subject" thing doesn't really make sense.  On the one hand they're saying they don't want more of what they already have.  On the other hand they're telling us to look at the "best selling" images and do stuff like that.   What the heck?








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General - Top Sites / Re: Sales on Shutterstock vs. Fotolia
« on: April 16, 2009, 14:49 »
Like many people, I got accepted at IS and then found they rejected the same photos that got me approved in the first place  :)    A bit mind-boggling at first.  I did their tedious keywording on a batch of my images, and all but a few were rejected.  Review took 2 weeks, an appeal took a month.  I was trying to get going in microstock and IS was just too slow and tedious.  I let the handfull of survivors sit there for a few months, they each got 20-40 views but no sales. 

Meanwhile SS took 90% of what I submitted and gave me lots of sub sales, which at least is teaching me what catches buyers eyes. 

So by 'attitude' I don't mean anything personal, just all the hoops they want you to jump through, plus the extremely long review times.  And the *-up on the forums, and the hokey blogs.  But at some point I'll give IS another try. 

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I'm trying not to overreact  :)

These microstocks are all trying to clean up their act.  Although I'm fairly new, I get the impression they just finished desperately racing each other to the magic "5 MILLION IMAGES" and when they got there, found they had a giant compost file of unsellable photos that buyers didn't want to wade through.  Now they're all rushing to the other side of the boat, rejecting all sorts of perfectly good images.   Who knows where this will end up.



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General - Top Sites / Re: Sales on Shutterstock vs. Fotolia
« on: April 16, 2009, 13:37 »
I've been doing this for a few months, small portfolio,  but have made 10 times more on SS than on DT.    Almost all the sales on SS have been subs, but at least it maintains my interest. 

I've been hearing that over time SS goes down and DT takes off, but after 4 months I haven't seen any hint of that. If anything it's going the other way.  I recently had several "well covered subject" rejections at DT and haven't had a sale since - my ranking may have gone down as a result.   Those guys are mean.

As others have made clear, success at these sites varies with the type of photos you do.  For me, only SS and Fotolia have been worthwhile.  StockXpert is currently dead for new images and DT just hasn't done anything for me.  I don't do IS at this point - I don't like the attitude they project.




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I just had 2 of 4 rejected as "well covered subjects".  I suggest we introduce the WCS acronym to describe this trend. 

I guess what they want now is whatever they think they can sell this week, and nothing else.   These companies have enough "stock" images, they don't even want to spend time (= money) reviewing new ones. They want buyers to tell them what they want today, and then have contributors compete for the 1 dollar grand prize.  It's not "stock" per se, it's real-time "crowd-sourcing".


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Adobe Stock / Re: Fotolia blocked account
« on: April 14, 2009, 21:40 »
The more I learn about these microstocks, the more I think the smart thing to do would be to immediately remove all my photos from all of them, and wait for something better to come along. 

The tiny amount of money I'm making from these subscription sales has no importance except as a diversion.  And I'm getting increasingly uncomfortable with these people having my full size image files.  None of them seem likely to be bound by any agreement they've supposedly made, none of them actually give a rat's @ss about contributors, they think we're just pathetic nerds with DSLRs. All are likely to fold or be sold at some point, and what happens to the images then would be anyone's guess.

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General Stock Discussion / OT
« on: April 13, 2009, 12:25 »
OT - yadayadayada, are you a recumbent rider?

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Stockxpert going down?
« on: April 13, 2009, 11:44 »
New images aren't getting any views and this has to mean the search and ranking algorithms have been fiddled with.  I guess if you just wanted to discourage new submissions to StockXpert and start herding everyone to IS, this would be a rather smooth way to do it.  It leaves submitters feeling that IS is "better"  instead of being angry about the way Getty simply bought out the competition. 


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Give bright-colored logo T-shirts to all the participating photographers.  Then when we get to the location, ready to spend an entire afternoon making photos for 30 cents apiece,  we can see the swarm of other guys already on the site. 


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General Stock Discussion / Re: Stockxpert going down?
« on: April 12, 2009, 13:54 »
When a big corporation has cash, there can be enormous pressure to spend it on acquisitions, even if they don't quite make sense.   The people making the big deals often aren't the same ones who are supposed to follow up and make things work out.  At the start there's endless talk of "synergy", "a perfect fit", "we intend to invest" etc., and then most of the time it fizzles out. The important people in the acquired company leave, others are cut for lack of direction, the big deal-makers move on to other interests - and eventually it's folded.   Seen it all from the inside. Happy to see this one turn out differently, of course.


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Cutcaster / Re: Sales at CutCaster
« on: April 12, 2009, 12:36 »
The subscription sales are killing my interest too. I'm thinking about opting out of them at all the sites I'm using, just take whatever 2-dollar sales I might get, and try to build on the subjects that sell.  But I suspect the microstocks punish you somehow for refusing subs, maybe by pushing you lower in the 'new' image rankings


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Featurepics looks interesting.  Thanks to this forum I am still learning what's already out there. 

What's "LCV"?

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Stockxpert going down?
« on: April 11, 2009, 11:33 »
My latest uploads are getting no views. None. I've quit submitting.

Some forum posters claim their new images get views like they always did.  I don't know what to think, except that maybe the ranking/search algorithms have been tweaked so many times, in so many ways, that they no longer make any sense.



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Like FlemishDreams says, I really don't need some middleman telling me what images they think they like.   I just need a way for buyers to find my images, and be assured that the full-size image doesn't have problems not visible in a small online view.

CutCaster is already close to what I want - they accepted 100% of what I gave them.   I hope CC takes off.


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Rejecting new images is easy. That actually reduces your labor costs because the screeners spend less time checking quality at 100%.  Weeding out the junk from 6 milllion old images would be extremely expensive. All they can do is raise standards on new images and delete old ones, that didn't sell, automatically after a cutoff date - that costs nothing.  This is what will happen, nothing more.

This means they're now rejecting images that may very well be better than what they already have.   

Is this strategy going to improve the quality of the archives over time? I'm not sure, but I doubt it.


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Dreamstime.com / Re: Why is DT being stupid?
« on: April 10, 2009, 12:54 »
This is an important issue and I hope it continues to be a hot topic on this forum. At some point better ways to sell our images are going to come along and we'll be wanting to pull our portfolios from these microstocks and escape . of 25 cent subscription sales.  I want to be sure I can do that when the time comes.  Everyone who's found it difficult to delete or disable their photos on a stock site, please post. I'm taking names.

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They're trying to stop the flood, but they already have 6 feet of water in the basement and no way to pump it out.

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Actually I think I do need review, myself.  But that's not really my point.  Let's say the web itself improves to the point where sites can advertise their content in a consistent, searchable way (if you're techinically minded, this is what the
"Semantic Web" concept - now being developed by the W3C - is all about). In that not-too-distant future a buyer could use a web search engine (like Google) directly to search for something like "image, stock, photograpic, color, vintage telephone" and get meaningful results instead of the cr@p that would turn up today.  They'd get hundreds of thumbnails from you, me, and many other photographers, available for direct purchase at our own sites or 3rd-party image hosts.   But looking at all these thumbnails, a buyer needs to know which are actually quality images.  Without that knowledge they're reliant on a microstock middleman; they can't spend time figuring it out by trial and error.

I want to run my own restaurant, but no one will come in unless they know it's approved by the health inspector.

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[Well then it's a stock site. Unless you would do it all by yourself. The argument that you can set your own prices also holds for Zymm, Cutcaster and Featurepics.

What I'm suggesting is a company that just does reviews.  They don't hold, display or sell your photos - that's up to you.  All they do is let you display their logo with your images, stating that they've been independently reviewed for image quality.

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batman, good point - the real  problem is that I live in the US where 25 cents means nothing...

Milinz, thanks for the tip. And there is also CutCaster, where I'm already uploading. These sites are in fact already very close to what I'm talking about.  But will they survive, without charging some small amount for review?


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[Well... this is another microstock site.

No. It's another for-profit business, but it's not a microstock. We pay for image screening - just a certification of quality so buyers know they're not wasting time looking at our thumbnails. But then we market and sell anyway we want - off our own sites, a jazzed-up Ebay of the future, or cooperatives.  We set our own prices. 

Obvously, it wouldn't be a one-man business, it would require resources and investment.  If you think about it, a failing microstock of today could transition into a screening service.


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