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123RF / Strange subscription royalty on 123RF
« on: November 05, 2014, 16:58 »
Just had a subscription download and the amount shown on the "downloads" page is $0,348.
This amount is not even on their commission structure table (see here), so it's not a simple mistake of taking the wrong contributor level.

(The glitch that showed an unrealistic high amount of credits for a while is fixed, at least on my earnings page a realistic amount is shown; this would not have been an explaination anyway, as the amount received is not one to be expected for any level...)

Anybody seeing something similar?

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Veer / Re: Old files are now new files?
« on: November 05, 2014, 14:19 »
Yes, the same happened to me already one and a half year ago: link.

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Why do images with unrecognizable people (like tiny spots on a far away beach) have to be RM? Allow them as RF, so they can be sold at other RF places as well, that would be an improvement.

Who decides whether a person is recognizable - especially when so often that is about context ? Straight yes/no is best IMO. Same as with property - e.g. vehicles, houses etc.

Anyhow - surely we don't do want them to do anything which encourages people to upload the same content to Alamy as they are also selling elsewhere as RF for typically much less money ?

If you don't have a release (e.g. crowd scenes) you could still sell as editorial, but there's no reason that cannot be RF.
So allowing to mark  images as "RF + no release available" would be good.

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Another one: don't split phrases when importing keywords.

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Remove the existence of three different keyword fields, keep just one.
Everything else is ok.

But while you're listening: Why do images with unrecognizable people (like tiny spots on a far away beach) have to be RM? Allow them as RF, so they can be sold at other RF places as well, that would be an improvement.

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Stocksy / Re: Microstock photographers and Stocksy application
« on: October 16, 2014, 04:47 »
I am very sorry for those who didnt get in and all those that are still waiting. I sincerly hope that stocksy grows their business by 10 000% so they can include many more artists. There are so many talented people in the community.

And the more artists join stocksy, the more the other agencies will have to treat people well, otherwise all the best work will "go stocksy".

I don't expect that to happen...

One of the reasons that allowed microstock to steal so much market share from traditional agencies was their open door approach - everybody could come and upload, no matter what level of experience, size of portfolio, specific style he/she had.

To really put pressure on the existing microstock agencies a competitor needs to be open to all of their contributors. Maybe with a Stocksy-like model (CoOp, image exclusive, fair pay...), but less restrictive in their acceptance criteria.

That being said, I believe Stocksy is doing the right thing for their commercial success (and the success of their contributors) by limiting the number of contributors and concentrating on a specific style.

But they are not the white knight saving us all from the evils of the microstock business...

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Adobe Stock / Re: Guess I'll reupload to Fotolia
« on: October 12, 2014, 15:36 »

Where can I see this statistic?

In your account click on "see statistics", there in the first drop-down field the last entry ("How many credits have I earned from US buyers?").

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Adobe Stock / Re: Guess I'll reupload to Fotolia
« on: October 12, 2014, 12:54 »
I'm not opted.in to DPC, but my earnings at Fotolia continue to grow month after month.

So I don't think there's necessarily a causation between being opted in or out and your normal fotolia sales. If there is, I'm not aware of it.

Realistically I don't see how those who have opted-out of DPC can be deliberately 'punished' with fewer sales at FT. It could only be achieved via modifications to the default sort-order and I can't see FT investing money to achieve that end. Let's face it, FT have the least sophisticated sort-order of any of the main agencies which indicates how little they do invest in such things. For example they seem to be the only agency that don't even give any weighting whatsoever to keywords. The likelihood that FT have actually spent money just to make their search even worse for buyers is highly improbable.

Apart from anything else they appear to already have 80-90% of the content at FT mirrored at DPC. Try a search on any particular subject on each site and there's not much difference in the quantity.

Interesting side-track here.
They do such things, but for a different cause.
I do have an image that shows up pretty high (now top thirty in a search leading to over 3000 results, was top 5 a few weeks ago) in their relevant search order.
But only if I search in German on the German FT site.
If I switch to English (US) the same (translated) search term shows a bit more than 5000 results, and my file can't be found in the first 500 (stopped looking after that).
Interestingly enough, if I switch to English (UK) my image is number two (of over 5000).

I suspect this is because I get paid in Euros. Somebody from the US buying in US-$ and them having to pay me in Euros is their worst case. And they know how to avoid that.

Proof: FT shows you a statistic how many files were bought from US buyers. From beginning of 2011 on until today, in my case that is about 1,5% of all sales.


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Adobe Stock / Re: Guess I'll reupload to Fotolia
« on: October 12, 2014, 10:42 »
To be perfectly honest, I get a better return for my sales at FT / DPC than I do at IS where we are getting raped on both pricing and commission but I suggest the decline there is more to do with the ineptness of the folks in control than any external factors.  SS are holding up, DT is coming back nicely after a few bad months mostly due to good RPD and the only place I see a downturn is 123.  There is a sense of running faster to stay in the same place generally that can be totally explained by the vast increase in supply over the last while.

Well, yes, you're getting a better return at FT/DPC...because your fellow artists boycotted, which pressured them into offering higher commissions to hold onto the content. Just sayin'.

This is perfectly stated. If we would have never caught or addressed DPC the way we did FOTOLIA could have raped us blind and laughed all the way to the bank.  ANY positive changes came at the pressure of contributors, NOT because FOTOLIA felt that it was the right thing to do. They will get away with anything they want until it hurts them, like pulling millions of images and, unfortunately, with some collateral damage of contributors being targeted for their opinions and accounts closed. Who WANTS to be associated with a company like that? Not me. Yes, I lost $50-$75 a month. Big deal. I am much happier without them and their rape the contributor business mentality.

ANGER CHECK: I am no longer angry. Was over that in June when we separated.  But I will continue to participate in forum discussions about FOTOLIA to share the facts around their behaviors and business decisions and, what I believe, an intent to price competitors out of the market. This is expressly why I believe that if you support DPC you support a new, lower tier business model.

I fully understand why you don't want to work with them. I don't like them either, though I still have my portfolio with them.

But what I don't understand: why are you still with IS? Their attitude towards contributors is no better, and they have been - for the longest time - the role model for all other agencies to keep commissions down. They had the lowest percentage in the business since they started. And when they decided that 80% is too much, I left them.
I don't think that decision had any positive effect for me. Since then I'm a bit more cautious with deleting portfolios, even at agencies that screw contributors like FT and 123RF.

And by the way, my sales at FT have been up last month, although I am opted out of DPC. Must have some other reason.

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Adobe Stock / Re: Guess I'll reupload to Fotolia
« on: October 08, 2014, 16:46 »
Are you going to opt in to DPC?

Is there any choice?

At the time we discovered their unfair practice by automatically including our ports in DPC they added an opt out. I don't know if that's still in place today, though.  The last I read here recently was that they would somehow sweeten your sales on FT if you opted in to DPC.

Guessing old contributors still have a choice, they might just be trapping the new guys.

You're sure you're looking at the right place?
The 365 days are for their referral program (what they call affiliation), i.e. you get payment for referred buyers for a year after you referred them.

To opt out of DPC look under "contributor parameters" in your profile, there you should find the possibility to opt out.

411
Shutterstock.com / Re: RPI for photographers at Shutterstock
« on: October 07, 2014, 17:06 »

How much should my RPI be to make $1000 a month on SS?



The Median of the answers lies in the 0.26 to 0.40 bracket.
Means for an average portfolio you need about 3000 files - roughly.

no - this poll is USELESS for averages.  the high rpi reports might be carefully selected images in high volume sales topics; the low rpi could be portfolios with hundreds of low selling images.  ( a different strategy, but one that will result in lower rpi)

so unless you know the details of all the datapoints you can't predict how many images are needed to make $x per month.  and of course, that's ignoring any definition of what the portfolio of the new artist consists of....

besides, underlying this entire debate is the faulty premise that nothing is changing in the environment -- but what worked last year may not work next year & vice versa, etc,etc

The poll is useless for averages because it doesn't contain data about the specifics of a portfolio?

It's exactly the other way round: this poll provides usefull data about averages. Only on average data points.
As always with any statistical analysis, you can't derive direct conclusions for a specific situation from a statistical average.
But that's not the point.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: RPI for photographers at Shutterstock
« on: October 07, 2014, 11:34 »
How much should my RPI be to make $1000 a month on SS?
That's a very strange question.  If you have 1 image your RPI needs to be $1,000 and if you have 1,000 images your RPI needs to be $1.

You can't help me from the poll? How many pictures do I need to make $1000 a month?

The Median of the answers lies in the 0.26 to 0.40 bracket.
Means for an average portfolio you need about 3000 files - roughly.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: RPI for photographers at Shutterstock
« on: October 07, 2014, 11:31 »
1) To remove the impact of deleting non-sellers and such, calculate your RPI based on uploaded images, not on accepted / online images. You made them, processed them, keyworded them, uploaded them. All the effort is spent. You have to include them in your statistics, if they are not accepted (or you delete them because they don't sell) you don't get your spent effort back.

2) RPI is meaningful to compare how different agencies perform for your portfolio. RPI is also meaningful to see how your average image performs to other shooters average image. Yes, it's different content, different style, different postprocessing, different keywording. But that doesn't mean you can't compare it, it means that is what you are comparing. If somebody has a higher RPI he is shooting something more in demand, better quality, is keywording better...
So it is very helpful to compare against others.

3) RPD is almost meaningless as a statistical value, as it does not say anything about how often sales occur so it says nothing about the bottom line.

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Adobe Stock / Re: Sale Price: 0.285333333334
« on: October 07, 2014, 10:53 »
They started paying a percentage rate for subscription sales, see also this thread.
Ever since then I am getting these strange amounts. But as they are higher than normal subs sales I don't complain.

415

OK, I'm bored enough to check this.

0.55 = US$0.69
So, I made US$0.69 over 24 months

$0.69 divided by 24 = $0.03 (rounded up)

1218 photos = $0.03 per month.

10,000 / 0.03 = 333,333.3333333333
333,333.3333333333 X 1218 =  406,000,000

I see the problem. I simply don't have enough images there. I'll get to work on that.

Disclaimer: My math is on par with my Yaymicro sales, so there may be an error or two.

400 million images...
Assuming your camera shutter holds for 200.000 shots, that's only 2000 cameras  ;D

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I understand entirely why an organisation would pay top dollar for a RM image. I don't understand why said organisation would license an RF image on a Microstock agency for $400 when the same image is available for pennies.

Many large organizations (global publishers, advertising agencies, Fortune 500 corporations, retailers, etc....) already have individual employees with Shutterstock accounts, but those individual accounts don't always scale or meet the full needs of their business.  As a result, we work with the larger organization through consolidated enterprise and custom agreements, which can include the option for sensitive use (although few uses would be a sensitive one), additional legal indemnification, extra billing and workflow features and other package attributes that aren't available to subscription or standard license customers to meet the exact needs of their business.  Pricing takes into consideration all of the needs of an individual client.   

Because these are often individually negotiated and designed, we don't go into all of the details, but that's the basic idea. 

Best,

Scott
 

Scott, that makes a lot of sense and it's great that you do such deals and we can benefit from that. But as others have said, those sales are very few compared to regular subs (I yet have to see one of those big SODs).
As a motivation to create and upload niche content or to spend a lot of time and money to research, set up, shoot and keyword with the needed accuracy, those sales do not really work.
Because those niche shots or expensively created shots may end up being downloaded a handful of times (because they're niche content there is no high volume demand) for subs royalties.

But if there were an option to make such content available only to those higher paying buyers... (or to all buyers for a respective add-on price), that would be a lot more motivating...

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FT changed their subs commissions after all the complaints about DPC (and about their monthly subs packages, which essentially are nothing else but credit packages, but used to pay just subs royalties). Now you get 20% of what the buyer paid (25% if opted into DPC).

Do get 5 Credits the buyer must have paid 25 for the one image.

On the German site they sell those monthly "subscriptions" for 25 for 5 images.

So if a buyer just used one of those, that might lead to such a sale.

That assumes that FT really takes into account how much of his quota a buyer has used. But that would mean that they can only inform you about the sale once the validity of the credit pack has expired, so no real time reporting for those subs...

Many assumptions, but the only way I can come up with a 5 credit sub sale.
The biggest I had was a little over one credit, 1.07 to be exact.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Balance = 0$ ???
« on: October 01, 2014, 06:58 »
Oh man, I'm slow....  :( :(    ;D

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Balance = 0$ ???
« on: October 01, 2014, 06:57 »
It's not a bug, it's a feature  ;D

Your balance from month end was over the payment minimum and will be payed within the next two weeks. That's why your balance is reset and starts from zero again...

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iStockPhoto.com / Another case of faux-exclusivity?
« on: September 30, 2014, 04:36 »
Or another case of big scale theft?

Exclusive Istock contributor:

http://www.istockphoto.com/portfolio/westend_61#e0551bb

Portfolio on 123RF:

http://www.123rf.com/profile_tunedin123/new/

Interesting name of the Istock contributor, no idea if this is really related to the German agency Westend 61 or if somebody just chose that name.

I came across that example on a German stock forum, thought it might be worth a post here.

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New Sites - General / Re: new site stocktal
« on: September 29, 2014, 13:20 »
Maybe that's why they have titles like 'big bird, thick branch'; and there was me unkindly thinking the contributor couldn't be bothered looking the species up and putting 'Vernacular name, Latin name' like any normal person would do. Maybe they had 'vernacular name, Latin name' on another site.
Ho-hum  ::)

Yep, that's what's troubling me about that requirement - when you have accurate, fitting titles and descriptions on other sites, making them unique for Stocktal will make the less accurate and fitting...

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New Sites - General / Re: new site stocktal
« on: September 29, 2014, 12:57 »
I understood Jack that they want titles and description to be unique to Stocktal, i.e. different than on other sites - assuming you are not sending exclusive images. Did you do that? Or maybe I didn't understand it correctly...

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New Sites - General / Re: new site stocktal
« on: September 29, 2014, 09:14 »
When is StockTal's official launch? Someone sees some sale? Anyone saw anything sold so far?

I am also supporting them.
They asked me to resize(diamensions and size MB) my images, which I did using a batch script. It just took few minutes and uploaded them. Next they asked me to take out duplicate images, that also followed. Though my portfolio has shrunk a bit but I would say it is still better there.

Views are rising but waiting to see the real sale.

Did you write new titles and descriptions for all your images?

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New Sites - General / Re: new site stocktal
« on: September 26, 2014, 05:19 »
Well I got a reply from Stocktal.  They say my account has been suspended because my titles and descriptions are just copy paste and not unique to Stocktal.  Since I do not have the time to re-do 4000 files I guess I am done at Stocktal.  I can see why a new site wants this for SEO but no other site demands it.

I asked before in this thread, if they want us to redo titles and description on our files. Never got an answer.
If this is their official policy and it's important to them, why don't they explicitely ask us to do so and explain why they want it?
But I shouldn't care, I won't do that anyway.

Maybe they should consider paying for uploads. For 5$ per upload I might think about new titles / descriptions.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Artist Stealing Work
« on: September 25, 2014, 13:26 »
My illustration copyrighted in 2007
http://www.istockphoto.com/vector/style-runner-3517764

Bormash illustration
http://www.canstockphoto.com/running-man-13419539.html


On Canstock:

"Oops!  The file you requested has been deleted by the photographer."

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