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123RF / Re: Do you make $100/month at 123RF?
« on: November 23, 2008, 09:51 »
About 500 images online. Estimated earnings this month will be about $60. It's increasing slowly every month.
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He even took his Holga
Very enjoyable video.420
General Stock Discussion / Re: Alamy and RF images??
« on: November 17, 2008, 13:24 »Hi Storm Chaser,
I can only speak for Getty, Corbis and Jupiter when I speak of the big Macro companies. Now just Getty and Corbis. They do not want this to take place. If it is their own collection their contract will not let you put up a Macro RF image on their site and then let you put it anywhere else, Micro, Macro or the Moon.
This has been standard practice until the birth of third party agencies that distribute to several hundred agencies including all three / two big agencies. Even the respectable third party agencies will not allow you to place the same image with them and anyone else. Every Macro RF image I have produced was sent to one original company for distribution and they are the ones that take it from there to further distribute. They are the ones that I sign an exclusive contract for that body of work with for 5-7 years as a standard. However I cannot send that same photo elsewhere myself with the exception of an image trade for the location and sometimes the talent. This is how the industry has been run from as far back as I have been part of it.
Good Typing with you,
AVAVA
Left Getty and Corbis out of my comments as Alamy and Photoshelter (deceased) are more in the common denominator on this forum for those wishing to enter traditional, or higher paying macrostock.
I go back to Tony Stone and trannies, so know exactly what you're saying here.
My own opinion is that if you try to play both ends, meaning identicals both on micro and Alamy, you are slitting your own throat professionally. Eventually there will be problems like refunds to the buyer.
I really think Alamy should take a good look and rewrite their submission terms. Times have changed, and the boundaries have blurred. But in the race of "the one who dies with the most images wins", maybe they are attending to other things. If Alamy management has no awareness of the problem, then they are turning a blind eye. There certainly has been enough micro bashing over time on their forum. Usually the query of "can I submit my Shutterstock images here" will be blasted immediately by the regulars. But then the new submitter will then go somewhere else, read another "opinion" that say's it's ok, and just do it anyway.
I like micro. It's some fun for me. But they are treated as their own entity in my work.
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General Stock Discussion / Re: Ready Images?
« on: November 17, 2008, 04:02 »
Ready Images will be partnered with Alamy and drawing on the existing pool for image procurement. So it's not another agency to submit to if anyone is looking to jump on board a new one. It is to be part of Alamy's "Novel Use Scheme".
See the story on PDN
http://www.pdnpulse.com/2008/11/copyright-clearance-center-launches-stock-service-with-alamy.html
See the story on PDN
http://www.pdnpulse.com/2008/11/copyright-clearance-center-launches-stock-service-with-alamy.html
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General Stock Discussion / Re: Alamy and RF images??
« on: November 16, 2008, 19:23 »At the end it's the buyers choice to get their images at the price they want. But then Alamy want to know where else I sell my images. Maybe they won't accept me because I am from microstock.
Anyways I don't know exactly how to make an isolated 3.5mb image going up to 46mb. I upsized the image but then it needed additional unsharp mask. Alamy merging with a micro agency would be easier for me
My brother was in Shutterstock and DT before Alamy, and he did note it. No problems with his acceptance.
From AVAVA
"I have found that most larger Macro agencies do not want you putting your Macro RF on the Micro RF sites and visa versa but I think this area is going to become grayer and grayer as time moves on."
PhotoShelter was really the only one to come straight out and forbid it, and that was only after the crossover was brought to their attention by some of the haughty "pros" on there who got crazed and stomped their feet a lot on the forums there.
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General Stock Discussion / Re: Alamy and RF images??
« on: November 15, 2008, 23:40 »
The last time I really looked, I found no specifically written rules against it. However, with those long time shooters that are very involved with Alamy, I can tell you it is highly "frowned upon".
I keep macro separate from micro, as I feel it is ethically unsound to have such a spread in price points for the same image. And most of my Alamy stuff goes in Rights Managed anyway except for some digital art. I think though that I am even going to swing the new art stuff over to RM though, as those that are RM get better stats than the ones I submitted long ago as RF.
I keep macro separate from micro, as I feel it is ethically unsound to have such a spread in price points for the same image. And most of my Alamy stuff goes in Rights Managed anyway except for some digital art. I think though that I am even going to swing the new art stuff over to RM though, as those that are RM get better stats than the ones I submitted long ago as RF.
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Shutterstock.com / Re: advice for submitting to SS first time
« on: November 15, 2008, 12:15 »thx foto and storm.
wow storm, 3K since march. this sounds incredible, but like you say, small commission is ok as long as the site can bring you the volume.
i will check out the sites you gave me and get serious. cheers once again.
I have had particularly good luck with about a dozen niche images that sell over and over and also do some illustrations.
There is the usual whining about no sales on the SS forum, but taking a look at the complaining portfolios, it's easy to see why. Same old crap over and over. You get back what you put in. I worked very hard the first few months, now I can relax things just a little.
Be sure to continue to upload. Right now I try to get at least 25 new up per week there, an achievable goal for almost anyone.
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Shutterstock.com / Re: advice for submitting to SS first time
« on: November 15, 2008, 10:23 »
Submit your very best work, both aesthetically and technically, and ensure you have a variety of subject matter. This is the basic of what has been advised over and over again.
Step back and look at you images as an editor would. Forget about "your favorites". Ask yourself if the image is commercially viable. How could the image be used to sell a product or convey a feeling? Yes you can throw in a flower, butterfly or nature shot, but it had better be very good aesthetically and technically superior.
When selecting subjects, run the spectrum. Indoor, outdoor, isolated objects, sports, food, business.
As far as small images, my opinion is "why screw the buyer?" I always submit the biggest I have. On initial submission, reducing may alleviate some noise problems. The reviewers are harder on initial review, but things ease up a very tiny bit once you start regular submissions.
Critique forum there - you may get some good feedback with regards to composition, commercial value etc, but unless full res cuts are posted, impossible to fully critique the technical aspects. Browse through there at least and read the posts - see how you can apply that learning to your own work.
As far as return, no not a waste of time. SS outperforms Dreamstime for me by about 40%, and in the scheme of things, DT does quite well for me. iStock not a fair comparison yet because the portfolio there is small. SS is a volume machine, and that is what gives you a good return. So when starting, even though your image goes for $ .25/DL, multiple DLs give you the numbers. On SS since March, I should reach $3000 level there soon.
Step back and look at you images as an editor would. Forget about "your favorites". Ask yourself if the image is commercially viable. How could the image be used to sell a product or convey a feeling? Yes you can throw in a flower, butterfly or nature shot, but it had better be very good aesthetically and technically superior.
When selecting subjects, run the spectrum. Indoor, outdoor, isolated objects, sports, food, business.
As far as small images, my opinion is "why screw the buyer?" I always submit the biggest I have. On initial submission, reducing may alleviate some noise problems. The reviewers are harder on initial review, but things ease up a very tiny bit once you start regular submissions.
Critique forum there - you may get some good feedback with regards to composition, commercial value etc, but unless full res cuts are posted, impossible to fully critique the technical aspects. Browse through there at least and read the posts - see how you can apply that learning to your own work.
As far as return, no not a waste of time. SS outperforms Dreamstime for me by about 40%, and in the scheme of things, DT does quite well for me. iStock not a fair comparison yet because the portfolio there is small. SS is a volume machine, and that is what gives you a good return. So when starting, even though your image goes for $ .25/DL, multiple DLs give you the numbers. On SS since March, I should reach $3000 level there soon.
| Site | Earnings Rating |
| Top Tier - Big 4 | |
| storyblocks | |
| AdobeStock | |
| Alamy | |
| GettyImages | |
| Zoonar | |
| Shutterstock | |
| Vecteezy | |
| iStock | |
| MotionElements | |
| Pond5 | |
| Dreamstime | |
| Canva | |
| DepositPhotos | |
| 123RF | |
| Canstockphoto | |
| Crestock | |
| ColourBox | |
| Envato | |
| Bigstockphoto | |
| ClipDealer | |
| PantherMedia | |
| EyeEm | |
| YayImages | |
| MostPhotos | |
| Self-Hosted | |
| Indivstock | |
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