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« on: April 11, 2008, 11:12 »
I doubt that their largest contributers withhold much of anything from them, they would then have to find a way to take photos more efficiently to upload more since I suspect that their time is already maxed out. For the top level contributers, I highly doubt (and Yuri's post backs this up) that SS makes up a very significant portion of their income.
It will be interesting to see the aftermath of what becomes of IS's subscription plan. To my eyes they are leveling a two pronged all out assault on the market in a major power grab; a direct attack by offering a favorable pricing plan for the most lucrative customers in the industry, attempting to lure them away from the competition, and outflanking their competition by stealing some of their best photographers. Just like a battle, these two facets are mutually beneficial, more customers = more earnings for contributers, more earnings = more exclusives, more exclusives = competition's photo catalog hurt at the highest level (IS wouldn't be stealing noobs, they'd be stealing some of the best and most established photographers that contribute many of the premier photos in a collection), hurt the opponents photo catalog = more customers and the cycle continues.
IMO SS has to do something drastic, they will be harmed the most by IS's power grab, and I don't think that the tiered approach to payments is the answer, they have to find something else. It is not the super top level earners that are the problem, it is the step below. These guys I suspect is where the bulk of their broad quality comes from. Higher quality than the noobs, not quite as much a the super top guys, but there are lot more of them than the super top guys. These are the people that IS will be stealing. The problem for SS is that losing these people will spread the earnings,that was concentrated in these mid level guys to the lowest people, more than shifting it to the super top, their customer base is already established in their areas of expertise. This will make the ascension up the tiers more rapid for their lowest level contributers, who there are lot more of. At first it wouldn't be significant, probably good for them actually, but over time as more and more ascend up the ranks, the payout per file would increase.
For example (using wild guesses for #'s, just to illustrate my point): Currently: 50% sold at higher rate 50% sold at lower rate
Lose a bunch to exclusives, even though they gave a good raise to the top group and the situation becomes: 40% sold at higher rate 60% sold at lower rate
Because of the nature of tiers, concentrating more money in the lower tiers will rapidly become: 60% sold at the highest rate 40% sold at the lowest rate
Now this is assuming that IS can steal a bunch of exclusives, but the nature of SS leads to the fact the they have to out do both whatever the increase at IS will be, plus the multiplier for going exclusive. As is (as I gather from all my reading here and elsewhere and personal experience), income growth at SS is rather stagnant, adding more is necessary just to maintain a level, which is not true elsewhere, adding more grows income. Now you can increase the submission rate to SS to grow income, but the midlevel guys in the crosshairs are probably maxed out in their submission rate, they have the time and experience that their shooting efficiency is at a peak. For these guys to see significant income growth at SS, the only way to accomplish it is via a big raise.
SS can only give so big of a raise to these mid level guys and remain solvent, they lack powerful financial backing unless they are currently running at a very excessive profit level. IS has the financial backing an corporate stability to operate strategically in or near the red for a short period of time in an effort to offer a more lucrative deal to these mid level guys. If income growth shows acceleration at IS, there will be takers for the exclusivity option, the more takers the worse the situation becomes over the long term for SS, as the acceleration up the tiers for their lowest level guys would begin.
Do I have an answer for what SS can do strategically? No, I can't see one. On a whole as a business their talent pool of photographers will swing increasingly more toward the beginners in the industry, and IS will steal some of their customers that follow the quality photos. In many ways SS today reminds me of AOL in the mid 90's. Their buisiness model allowed rapid ascension to near the top of the industry, but as both their customers and contributers grow into the young industry they find that there are better options available once established. At first AOL was the internet for everybody, but over time they increasingly became the internet for beginners, eventually there reached a point where there were no beginners left. I don't see that happening in this industry, there will always be beginners, but the dropping from a place for everybody to contribute to the place for beginners to contribute could very well happen, offering a tiered based raise would do little to solve this.
SS needs to find a way with their buisiness model to maintain linear or near linear earnings growth for a mature port with continued contributions, something that is not occurring, the models at other sites that create the near linear growth for mid sized ports become more and more lucrative over time, and SS does not have the financial ability to make up this difference with a tier based pay system, since they would have to continually raise prices, and continually give larger and larger raises to the mid level contributers just to keep up with the competition for their services.
Waldo you should have a blog
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« on: April 10, 2008, 06:10 »
I can understand why iStockphoto wants the images to be sold exclusively on their site, I think they deserve it if they organize the shooting. It would be great if a shooting would be organized by others too, like microstockgroup :-). But probably not enough people form here are going there. Just checked, I can fly with the miles & more programm for 91 Euro to Malta. Hmm tempting...
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« on: April 10, 2008, 04:00 »
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« on: April 10, 2008, 01:36 »
lol, what a lens :-)
Personally I would favour the 70-200 2.8,because of the much better bokeh. If you take photos of people I so much more prefer a larger aperature. The non-IS 2.8 is BTW sharper than the 2.8 IS version and not as heavy.
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« on: April 07, 2008, 12:22 »
Congrats!
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« on: April 07, 2008, 04:34 »
I somewhere heard 26th of May.
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« on: April 05, 2008, 03:11 »
@ Pixart actually I am quite unsure which prices I should take. I increased them 100% from the base price. What would you suggest? 400%? I never was in the printing business. To make it even more difficult, you will find it necessary to have different prices for art, portraits and weddings - with weddings being much higher - or a much higher session fee.
I had read about 400% then I did determine that the other sports photographers in my area were marking up about 400% (team sports portraits). And more for portrait work. But, if Smugmug is charging you 18 cents for a 4x6, obviously 400%, or $.72 is too low - I'd say at least $5 for a 4x6 (or way more). Then the uniqueness of your nature photos is something to consider as well. Factor in the commissions you pay to Smugmug and Paypal as well. You will likely find that placing an individual price on your art and then a fixed rate for your weddings. Also, is this enough American $ compared to what others are charging in Germany?
One of the negative things about a service like this: all of the photos have to be ready to print. Shooting 1500 photos at a wedding and then inspecting each one for colour and cake on the chin is a lot of work so hopefully your session fees factor the time. Unless... like you said, they use it strictly as a proofing gallery and order corrected prints from you.
Maybe take the best 10 from each of the weddings that you have done and open up a new public gallery for a promotional tool?
Thanks for the info about the prints. I have to check how to edit images that they will be the best possible print. I certainly will open up a public gallery with a few selected wedding images.
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« on: April 05, 2008, 03:05 »
I believe if the subscription plan of IS really will be successful and draw a lot of new customers, we will gonna see a lot more people going exclusive with IS and SS might loose some very good photographers and images. SS has to considerably change something to keep photographers happy at the same time it could be that they see customers going over to IS. I am certain other stock agencies will take note of what happens at IS. For me my earnings however have to double at IS that it would make financial sense to go exclusive. Certainly this sounds like the best subscription offer for the photographer I have heard of, ironically from the agency which pays out the lowest royalty
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« on: April 05, 2008, 02:35 »
Iron, I was opted out for quite a while and my sales went down, but not instantly. I believe when subdls were missing my files got less popular. Each dl counts to the popularity of your file, it does no difference if sub or credit. Therefore because we are then missing sub dls, our files got less popular. That quite simple and legit in my opinion. It is not automatically that opting out will not show your files up in the search engine. I checked that. Thats my theory.
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« on: April 05, 2008, 02:29 »
Wow impressive, Tomasz really is a lucky guy.
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« on: April 03, 2008, 03:12 »
I agree, I didn't say they weren't, I believe they have the biggest share of the whole microstock market and if you are successful there then you have a winner. However this doesn't mean it is the easiest site to succeed. There are many facts that come into play with that particular site such as exclusivity, limits, tough reviews, plus they have the highest quality image bank in microstock so the level of competition is higher than anywhere else.
Yes to suceed on iStock is not so easy. I have the feeling, if an image suceeds it can be very successful (much more than on other sites, but a lot have very low download rates and a lot never will get downloaded. I have that problem. One image out of a portfolio of over 200 images earns about 25-30% of my income there and the top ten probably 90%.
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« on: April 03, 2008, 03:03 »
I see your point Leaf, but I want to name two prominent examples: Yuri and Iofoto. Yuri makes much more on IS as I remember than everywhere else although he has much less images online. Iofoto's istockphoto portfolio has not yet reached the highest earnings, but I believe it will soon be his highest earnings site. He just reached Gold and soon will reach diamond and with that he can upload more.
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« on: April 03, 2008, 02:41 »
Well, I think IS DOES have the highest earning power (despite the upload limit). I know that is not true for you Andresr and for you Leaf, but I believe it is true for most who are a longer time in microstock. But I can be wrong of course. And must admit that you can charge higher prices at FT is not a good point I made, you are right.
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« on: April 03, 2008, 01:46 »
Dan, most people do not have as many images on IS as they have on other agencies. Shutterstock is very good on short time earnings and a lot of contributers here have not been very long at SS. On a per picture basis IS earns much more/image than SS and FT. Yes there are top contributers who earn a lot at FT, but do not forget they can charge much more than the regular FT contributer can.
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« on: April 03, 2008, 01:38 »
@ Mauger thanks for the link to the audio broadcast, I should implement that in my gallery so people can hear it, when they are looking at my Antarctic images  @ Pixart actually I am quite unsure which prices I should take. I increased them 100% from the base price. What would you suggest? 400%? I never was in the printing business. I do not know if they ship to Germany, it would be nice, if they would work together with German labs. I have to check that out.. For the wedding I disabled the printing for now and people can download the images (Was a wedding for friends.) In this way my smugmug account will be a very good advertism tool. I get lots of publicity if the wedding guests will look at my images. If any of you want to give me a honest critique of the images or want to have a look at them let me know by PM and I will send you the password. I already know I have done some things wrong in the wedding and it is allways good to get feedback from other photographers. (I am a wedding noob :-) ). @Mauger. You can protect your images quite well. For now my images are right click protected. Try it out :-). But probably there is a way arround. Through screenshots? Maybe one can enlighten me. But watermarks are also possible. But Smugmug is far better in protecting images than Flickr. BTW you can do a whole lot of custumization. I have not done significantly changes. But some site I have seen look totally different.
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« on: April 02, 2008, 14:00 »
I just wanted to show off my smugmug account  : http://freezingpictures.smugmug.com/I trying out a pro account and probably will go with it. I am starting to belief that this will be a good alternative to send customers to, if they want to buy images from me. You can set your own price and receive 85% royalty. Does anybody here has some experience with it? Smugmug really seems to be a convenient tool. I just put images of a wedding I shoot on there as well and the bride and groom really seem to like it. In this way they can show their relatives and friends their images. BTW it seems Smugmug is working on implementing something so it can work as a stock agency. But no one knows when this will happen.
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« on: April 02, 2008, 13:08 »
They interpolate the images, in fact I just checked an image which I uploaded way in the past with the size of about 6-9 Mp is available at 36 MP. One recent image submitted with a size of ~2,5-3MP is available at 12 MP. So maybe they increase the size 4X to a maximum of 36 MP.
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« on: April 01, 2008, 08:46 »
They do not need Adobe Illustrator, I can open EPS files with Elements, I just have to type in how big I want the file to be, before it opens. But maybe they do not know or do not have even Elements.
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« on: April 01, 2008, 05:04 »
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« on: April 01, 2008, 03:43 »
Istock 34,4% up SS 22,3% up FT 12,7% upDT 11,1 % BMEPanthermedia 8,4% down StockXpert 7,8% down (opted in again after a long period of decline while being opted out )123Rf 1,2% up Digitalstock 1,2% first month BMEBigstock 0,4% downCrestock 0,1% upLuckyoliver 0,07% downSnapvillage 0% down
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« on: March 27, 2008, 01:55 »
They also pay with moneybookers
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« on: March 26, 2008, 05:18 »
I must say I am quite impressed, I have joined just today and what they build up impresses me. But I really not sure if this site will be successful. Future will tell. The only thing I fear is that if I do not spent time in rating and commenting at other peoples images that I will receive less rating as well and in turn my images will be less popular.
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« on: March 21, 2008, 07:44 »
Take a look over here: http://www.shutterstock.com/subscribe.mhtmlYou can subscribe for one day which is new, download 25 images and pay 29 Euros. 29 Euros are currently $ 44.95. That means the customer has to pay $1.80/ image. I as a photographer if I am over the $500 mark receive $0.30. That is ~16,7% commission!! Even lower than IS. So does that mean we are looking forward to a huge raise in May? I just calculated for the cheapest/image subscription: 1 year = 2049 Euro= $3175 = 25X365 images If the user uses it fully that means ~ he pays about 35 cents/image, which seems fair to me if the photographer receives 30 cents :-) But of course the customer most likely will use it on weekends and holidays as well as on some days he might just forget to download the 25 images. I would be very interested in the real commission a photographer receives.
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« on: March 21, 2008, 06:59 »
Well, actually I have not yet bought higher cost equipment from the US only indirectly through a German dealer who buys in the US and sells in Germany. I saved ~300 Euros on a 24-70L lens compared to the local shop prices. www.pixeluniversum.de (However it can take quite a bit to receive your stuff and it is very hard to contact them by phone. I bought two lenses, bot took much longer than advertised but they eventually came and work well.) But you can even get it cheaper I believe if you directly order it at place like BH Photo in the US who seem to be cheap also for the US and reliable (there is advertism of this shop in this forum to the right). I once spent 100$ on them.
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