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Messages - Jo Ann Snover
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« on: February 02, 2013, 18:15 »
Now how do the photos come off thinkstock and photos.com? About 20% are gone. Was hoping to cash out in Feb, but looks like there will still be partener sales coming through in March.
Mine are moving at a snail's pace, but they are going down - just checked and it's 1846 (down from 1869 first thing this morning - and 2486 on Jan 28)
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« on: February 02, 2013, 16:12 »
Selling content too cheap is the issue IMO.
Images from the Getty mother ship aren't priced cheap - at least not IMO given the rights granted. And those images got caught up in this deal - Blend may have been asked which ones but some of the other agencies that distribute through Getty weren't (based on an e-mail exchange with one of them). I think the big issue is not having the choice about what price and what licensing options. If you want to charge $5,000 for the license I'm willing to grant for my images for $30 - because you have high production costs and I have very low ones, or because you have a cast and the NY Stock exchange and I have an orange slice - that doesn't seem to be a problem to me. When Getty decides to give your NY Stock exchange image to Google and (a) give you no say in the matter and (b) give you $12 in compensation, that, IMO, is a big problem
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« on: February 02, 2013, 15:28 »
...Don't forget that Getty has started uploading thousands of their clipart.com images to Istock in order to get them through to Thinkstock.
Not thousands; 40 a week (according to Jenn Borton; total is now 80)
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« on: February 02, 2013, 14:12 »
Mine was
I'm opting out of special "licensing" deals the only way you've left open to me
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« on: February 02, 2013, 14:00 »
I'm just guessing that this is the least likely of the "bad" outcomes of files getting into the wild via Google Drive
Aren't files are just likely, maybe more likely, to get out "into the wild" by being download from websites where they are in use and can be found via search. Or from sites which earn advertising revenue by redistributing for 'free' copyrighted content bought from subscription sites.
I think it's the sheer volume of Google Drive users, plus the appearance of legitimacy (the vague statement that commercial use is OK), that makes the Google Drive situation much worse than the person who knows their taking something they don't have the rights to use
4482
« on: February 02, 2013, 13:22 »
I am taking a wild guess that iStock would step in if there were misuse. I'm also less worried that I'd be sued for misuse than I am that I'd be furious if my home or kids were used in some way I didn't like (but wasn't actionable).
I'm sure if something were actionable, the model would come after the photographer as well as iStock. I'm just guessing that this is the least likely of the "bad" outcomes of files getting into the wild via Google Drive
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« on: February 02, 2013, 13:19 »
So this is the thread for totals! Adapted from my post in the others: Last night I deactivated images totaling (with the test images I did a few days ago) 2496 leaving a grand total of 153 editorial and iStockalypse images in my portfolio. I removed all my vectors back in September 2011 (to keep them off Thinkstock) so I won't count those in this D-Day total Thank heavens for Sean's greasemonkey script - it has turned an excruciating job into a merely painful one. Thanks Sean. Blog post, Facebook timeline cover, tweet
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« on: February 02, 2013, 13:17 »
I have a few times done free image of the week at various sites (iStock never took me up on my offer) but it's always been to benefit the site - part of being a team player. Even if there were a promise that the metadata (and thus the link back to the source of the image) would stay in place, I can't see how this would benefit a stock agency, so I'd probably not participate.
If I could be persuaded that there was a benefit to the agency, and if that were an agency that were not actively pulling the rug out from its contributors' feet, I'd donate one image as long as I had a choice about which one.
4485
« on: February 02, 2013, 13:04 »
I can log in and see the page with all the links to downloads, earnings, etc. but I get a message "This page is temporarily unavailable. Sorry for any inconvenience caused." if I click on Downloads
4486
« on: February 02, 2013, 13:03 »
I can't either. It's probably saving me from noticing that my balance hasn't changed since I checked yesterday
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« on: February 02, 2013, 12:48 »
I posted this last night in the Feburary 2 thread, but I'll repeat the info here. I'll send something to Tyler asking if he can pull all the posts about actual deactivations into one so we can keep track. I deactivated 2,496 images, leaving 153 (editorial and iStockalypse) images in my portfolio. I'm leaving it open so I can collect my PP money from January in February and keep my stats. For all intents and purposes I have left iStock. I blogged about it, changed the timeline image on my Facebook page and sent out a tweet. My Thinkstock image count started dropping last night while I was deactivating. Checking this morning, it's now down to 1,869 (it was 2,486 on January 28th).
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« on: February 02, 2013, 05:53 »
As an FYI, I see my Thinkstock numbers slowly going down. I'll check again in the morning to see how they did I added a blog post about leaving iStock and tweeted/posted to Facebook as part of geting the word out about what we're doing.
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« on: February 02, 2013, 05:47 »
"To use the iStock interface, bring up an image's page and at the bottom is an Administration link. Deactivate is there"
I see no Admin link....
??
Are you signed in? Bottom right are three links - Ratings, Administration and Metadata - but only when you're signed in
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« on: February 02, 2013, 05:05 »
I don't know, but it made sense to record what was actually done - versus the commitments, which is what the other thread was covering. So I followed up the OP with my actuals.
4491
« on: February 02, 2013, 03:38 »
Keep both photos - a yin and yang of sorts
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« on: February 02, 2013, 01:38 »
Hi all. I need help please. I wanted to start to delete my files but somehow I am to blind to find a delete button. An advice on how to delete would be much appreciated. Thank you. Happy deactivation day to you all. 
The interface iStock provides is very painful. If you have the ability to use a greasemonkey script (it's javascript; you can use as is in Chrome or install greasemonkey in Firefox) Sean Locke wrote a wonderful one that lets you do the deactivations from the my_uploads page which is much faster. See here for a link to the script To use the iStock interface, bring up an image's page and at the bottom is an Administration link. Deactivate is there (you can't delete; only deactivate). You need to put in a reason so have something to paste. My reason is I'm opting out of special "licensing" deals the only way you've left open to me
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« on: February 02, 2013, 00:29 »
Tyler has said that the Image Tally thread is the one to post in so I'm putting this data over there I'm still working on it, but have deactivated 512 1925 2496 images and need to get another a third cup of tea. go to the bathroom! Thank heavens for Sean's greasemonkey script - it has turned an excruciating job into a merely painful one. Thanks Sean. I'll update this post with the final tally once I'm done. I'm leaving editorial images and those from the iStockalypse (which I can't sell anywhere else anyway). I removed all my vectors back in September 2011 (to keep them off Thinkstock) so I won't count those in this total My remaining portfolio is 153 images
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« on: February 01, 2013, 17:16 »
January was pretty decent. I'm estimating the PP totals. For me, there is always a big dip after December (with a reasonable crop of Christmas images, it's generally the 3rd or 4th best month of the year). This year was no exception - compared to December, $$ down 30% and DLs down 25% Over January 2012, my $$ are up 54% and downloads up 65%. That isn't as good as it looks  Last January I was still climbing out of the hole of switching back to independence; virtually nothing was in the PP (busted connector); nothing on Alamy except for the old RM stuff. I added GL Stock and Fine Art America this month and each of them made one sale. For GL that was $2.60, but a start's a start! For FAA that was $32.60, so even if I can manage only one or two sales a month it'll be like a low performing stock agency. FAA beat PhotoDune which had a very disappointing January (down 68% from December) SS was up 45% on January 2012 but the ELs and S/OD were lower than for the last few months, so iStock beat it for $$ (2 ELs there helped boost the totals as did the fact that I was getting 18% royalty vs. 17% last January) DT was flat with Jan 2012 and down 18% on Dec (i.e. less than the overall drop which is good, sort of). 123rf downloads were flat with January 2012 but $$ down because I dropped to 45% If it weren't for the Getty Gloom hanging over me (think ominous thundercloud), things would be looking pretty good
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« on: February 01, 2013, 14:13 »
I know of no site that requires your contact e-mail or sign up e-mail to be the same as the PayPal e-mail. Some sites make you enter the address each time you request a payout; some let you say which address to use for payouts and it's stored. You can also associate more than one e-mail address with a single PayPal account, so you can hang your stock site e-mail onto your existing account if you want to. Do be sure to use a different password for each site and don't use your PayPal password for any of the site passwords. Once you have a balance, you don't want anyone else removing it for you
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« on: February 01, 2013, 13:41 »
I just went to check my January 2012 total and it's the amount shown in the e-mail they sent out for Jan 2013 As long as the money is right in a week or so, I can cope
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« on: February 01, 2013, 13:39 »
...I would like to suggest that we remain banded together, on high alert, ready to move, and visible as a concerned group to the outside world. But, that we acknowledge their initial response with a stated postponement of D-Day for 2 weeks pending more information. If we have no satisfying details regarding a revised agreement with Getty as well as their policy on such deals in the future, then we move to deactivate.
I disagree. They aren't negotiating with us - they might be listening, but I tink the policies about future deals could be there now - they've had a couple of weeks to come up with that if they were so inclined. The Google deal might need more time to refine, but in the meantime, they're not putting anything on the table at all regarding their future actions. They couldn't even throw us a bone with a list of the images included or the planned final total. Postponing D-Day just means we're going to hear the same platitudes a couple of weeks from now, IMO.
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« on: February 01, 2013, 12:57 »
They've had plenty of time to make a serious response to the contributor kickback. They've now turned on the fog machines and are teasing some sort of announcement for next week, because they want to blunt the impact of the bad publicity generated by D-Day by spreading out the deactivations. The hope is that many contributors will at least delay pulling out for another week in hopes of some miracle; that will reduce the raw number of deactivations on D-Day itself, which is the only thing the trade press might report.
I sincerely believe that the reason any response is delayed is because their response will be contingent on how big a response they get to D-Day. If people who said they were going to pull images don't do it, or if there is less response than anticipated, they will NOT CHANGE ANYTHING of any significance.
I'm borrowing Lisa's fence again (can't find the post where she posted a picture), but it's about indecisiion about getting my whole portfolio (minus a token few old images to keep the account open) off vs. just the 1,000 I pledged. They may need some time to amend the Google deal, but they could make commitments about future deals any time - they don't need Google to help them do that. That tells me they plan to keep right on running roughshod over contributors in pursuit of cash - no opt out, no access to the details of these arrangements, no notification or inclusion of contributors in this process whatsoever. With the Microsoft deal, they said in the first thread that they wouldn't do a deal of that sort today. They haven't even hinted that they wouldn't repeat the Google deal - the reverse in fact. They talked about new business models and new places to sell our content. As I don't have any images on Google Drive, my worry is about more of these deals. Hanging around until they do actually scr3w me seems pretty daft to me. They've basically signalled as clearly as they can how they intend to do business going forward. The indecision is just that it's tough to walk away.
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« on: February 01, 2013, 12:36 »
As far as I know, the deal was between Google and Getty; Blend, Zoonar, VStock and others were included because Getty distributes their content
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« on: February 01, 2013, 12:35 »
What a depressing theme - once companies become successful and dominant they ignore, or abuse, the people who create the content that made them big and successful.
Getty or Google: at some level - biting the hand that feeds them - they're so similar. Without any content to search, Google wouldn't be able to sell ads and make a packet. Without any contributor copyright audio, video, illustrations & images, Getty'd be out of business.
Except that we (contributors) might get hurt, it'd be fun to see those two try and be partners so we can watch Google crush Getty (Google makes nice now, but once they've cornered whatever it is they want, Getty'll get kicked to the curb). Greedy baskets both of them
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