Thanks for the feedback everyone. We are interested in learning more about what you like/don't like about the Missions so please keep your comments coming.

Hi Mat, so here is mine: after your comment I did a new test.

First point / question:
For what I can see, the mission of shooting a simple group of objects (bananas) is really easy to produce, you can plan sets and take shoots with decent light.
Mission that involve people (eating, handling) is much much more hard to produce. I say "hard" that means that the final result is less good photos in longer time, so it seems really more difficult.

I can produce 50 photos of bananas (one set) in few minutes
But I have to miss my dinner  to take same amount of decent images when there is one person involved.

So I think that the earning should be much higher for mission that involve partecipating people.

The second point is that is really not clear the level of image that Adobe is looking for.
is selective focus ok?
is a detail with only partly visible object ok?
Is it okay to send high ISO images with available light?
white balance is not important?
are some blurred motion ok taking slow shutter speed images?

The examples in the mission briefs look too "stock images standard" with good light and pose, so it seems impossible to have high number of images without proper light and set.

In other words, I think that, while the subject you need it's clear, it's not really clear the technical value of images you need, and the brief should be more detailed on what is ok and what is not

Thanks for your answer

I'm agree on not all but most part of what you say, by the way after Mat comments I think that yes, they need also garbage shots, the only important thing is to clearly see the requested subject, nothing else. No lighting setup, no denoising, nothing.

c) People "may" or "may not" be compensated for their work? So it could be a complete waste of time?

Well, but this is true for any image you send to microstock agencies

I received invitation too. Start to test some random shots this evening with my family... and it's absolutely not possible to collect 500/1000 snapshot in few days, too much time, too much work for so low (and not sure) payment.
Even without post production and keywording the time to shoot/import/collect in set/describe and ordered upload... not worth it.
Even if I should had a lot of images already done for their missions the time I have to spent to search images in my HD, re-export, collect and organizie and upload, is too much. No thanks

Sorry Adobe, I think you're the best agency, but this time you're asking too much and paying the job really too low
Thanks anyway

Was on my way to bed but had to get back up to share this one that just popped in this evening. An editorial video cart sale....

Excellent, congrats!

And as far as taking IP rights seriously, their own moderation decisions speak more loudly than the words in their email.

This Apple logo is still there nearly two weeks after I posted it here. This week I've seen more Apple logos, Spiderman costumes, mentions of Barbie in image titles. Lots of new content breaking the rules. Lots of old logos still left online...

Yes, this is really a nonsense....

As far as I understand once AI is "trained" on the images it can't be untrained. So if we remove our images there's no difference, it's already done.

I thought the same, but now I'm realizing that this is not really completely clear.
Maybe it depends on how the AI engine is working, and how many times it needs to refresh its knowledge on existing images.

Otherwise, I can't see any reason for which Shutterstock is giving recurring payment (every six months they said) for data training.

In other words, I think this is still to be clarified, and maybe there is not a single answer

If you don't want to do ai, just don't do it.
Nobody is forcing you to work with a new media category.

Don't worry Jasmine, it's useless to tell something a million times to someone who doesn't want to see.
I would ask if any of all that are fighting against AI are photographers that don't use digital photography.
Because just few years ago the digital revolution changed completely the world of photography, but everyone seems to forget that times.
That was a lesson from the past, and it should be learned, instead of complaining AI without any hope to stop it

Yes, just read this full story (with happy end)

https://www.microstockgroup.com/fotolia-com/account-blocked-i-need-help-please/

I'm affected too, it seems many if not any contributors are involved

Last time this happened didn't get paid til following month.

Really? Never heard the story. So no payment until next month? It's scary...

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Haven't they already used everyones data without permission or payment ?

It seems to me that Adobe should reserve compensation (if they ever keep their promise) only for contributors not submitting AI-generated images.
For AI prompters and AI enthusiasts, compensation is already taking place, as they benefit and take advantage of the generation of their images by an AI, that exploits images from other authors.

It seems to me that someone still doesn't want to see reality.
It's like fighitng against windmills.

And now that should become a battle of contributors against each other?

No thanks

All the story is terrible and I also want to say good luck to Justanimage to clear situation with Adobe.

By the way, I can understand (I know) how a big company have sometimes to struggle with this kind of issue...
Some threatening letters from copyright owners, and the Adobe legal team ask to Adobe contributors team to shut down immediately all the accounts involved...
Usually in a big company it works this way, it doesn't matter who is involved, and the dialogue between departments is usually poor.
Mat is great in communication with contributors and I think he is actually in great great trouble for these reasons; but I have to say, it's true, that the reviewers fault is a big big issue for Adobe.

Hope all of these will be solved in few

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I read that in the news today. Bummer, right? So, now I'm going to Instagram, search for the most successful mid-journey accounts there, and pick out the best parts for my own Insta account. This stuff belongs to everyone now.

Now you know why AS is going full speed on this. You do the work and they can sell it and not pay you because it's not yours. Prepare yourself.

copyrigbt doesnt matter for contributors - if your submitted work is accepted AS agrees to pay you

copyrigbt doesnt matter for contributors and so it starts. If an image is not copyrighted then there is no protection from any agency. There is already very little respect for any contributor with copyright and submitting content that is not protected will be contentious in the future. I said same about microstock circa 2007 and could see the result of where we are today. As mentioned, be prepared. And it won't be AS specific, it will be industry wide. We are at entry level.

In the current situation where most people upload to multiple platforms there is no way to monitor copyright infringement. This will increase tenfold  with AI and the abuse will also increase tenfold.

I don't produce AI content, and for that matter nobody does. As mentioned, prepare yourself. There is not one platform/agency out there that has your best interests or finacial gain as their priority.

Microstock agencies and market are for sure not the greatest and most important company in which the AI will have impact

There are several great company that has BIG interest in regulate copyright and AI: let's say Disney, Pixar, Warner, any big company that produce visual content using AI, all of them will need a clear copyright on their own creations; and they will discuss and obtain it.

Microsotck is not the center of the world