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501
i'm surprised so many here are surprised.

the RF licence was a ripoff for photographers since day 1.

however, even when selling RM it's not much easier to protect your images unless you're ready to sue people all around the world.

RM is obsolete and anachronistic nowadays but RF is too much permissive, it's impossible to chase all the abusers let alone being paid back without investing a huge amount of time and money.

in plus, agencies dont move a finger as it wouldnt be profitable for them.

solutions ? none so far, unless the infringer is a rich publisher with deep pockets from a western country.

and i'm not surprised agencies are relaxed about buyers abusing the RF licence, they pushed RF as the "do what you want" licence to solve all the burocracy of RM and the buyers took it literally without realizing RF has in fact many limitations but if they became aware of this they would not buy RF in droves as they do now.

502
Welcome to the world of business in the 21 century.... the world of outsourcing, globalization.

As someone who is just moving into stock I am thinking hard on planning my moves.
Do I shoot what I like ( and am good at) and hope that it sells, or do I change my style to get accepted at the agencies?

Glenn

i would shoot what you're good for and based on that i would pick up the right agency for such images, could be a generic macro o micro, o a specialist or even merchandising or fine-art, up to you and your style.

how could you bring any added value shoting stuff you hate when there's no shortage of photographers doing the same subjects with passion, quantity, and quality  ?

take Travel photography, anyone can go in holiday including photographers who dont do travel or lifestyle but they will be no match against those who covered the same niche since a long time and know the score.

i mean, you can get many lucky shots but that's all.
if you're seriously asking how to plan a solid foundation for your career the answer is to become specialized in one field that you like and that at least pays the bills.

if your favourite subject has absolutely no market value, sorry but for the moment it can only become an expensive hobby, in the future who knows, technology is changing quickly.



503
Ditto.  I think I'll have to change the labels or how they are displayed.  People take too much offense when they get a -1 or -2.  It is simply someone saying they disagree and there is certainly not anything wrong with people disagreeing with something (whether they give reason for it or not)

these buttons are useless, it would make sense in a discussion with dozens or hundreds or readers and posters but how many are using these buttons ? i guess it's always the same 3-4 guys.

this is a forum, not facebook or twitter, can't see why modern forums are so cluttered with cr-ap.

504
Off Topic / Re: 24-70 vs 70-200 Lens for protraits
« on: April 29, 2013, 04:39 »
so true, versus seeing so many tout the 50mm as the "allrounder" but all it does it create horse face portraits IMHO.
what student can ever afford a 200-300mm lens? my teacher had a 400mm prime that he let me borrow once for a class shoot, I was waay back and had to keep asking everyone to move out of my shot. crazy heavy, would only use with a tripod.

technically, these are all things of the past if you can invest a lot of time in photoshop.

you can do wonders with a 36MP shot done with the cheapest second hand 300mm zoom and make it look like it was shot in F1.2 with a 5000$ prime.

it's really all up to you, how much time is in your hands, how good you are with PS, etc etc

buyers dont really give a sh-it about how made a shot, which gear you own.

modern lenses are a lot better than in the past, Sigmas in particular have not so much to envy from nikons now but they cost almost half, and the few aberrations and issues they produce can be easily fixed with PS if you're a perfectionist.

actually you could also do good stuff with Tamron lens but i just can't stand them, slow, ugly, plastic cr-ap.

Tokina are good and underestimated.

Zeiss nr.1 but overestimated and incredibly overpriced considering most of them arent even made in germany, they're built by japanese and chinese contractors !

505
another shareware Bulk downloader, i'm gonna try now :

http://imagedownloadr.com/

506
try searching "business shutterstock" on google images, select "size : large" .. tons of results, many in full size, maybe 30-40% of the total.

but with more obscure subjects it ain't so easy, try searching for Bangkok all you get is a bunch of random Thailand images, only a few dozens actually about Bangkok and in full size and this is a maistream generic keyword search, "asian portrait shutterstock" only gives you a stream of garbage.

 

507
Off Topic / Re: 24-70 vs 70-200 Lens for protraits
« on: April 29, 2013, 01:37 »
actually 85mm F1.4 and 105mm F1.4 are the professional choice for portraiture, F2.8 zoom lenses are ok for random stuff, travel, and weddings.

or at least that's the marketing mantra, i even sold a few portraits shot in F8 with crap lenses and bad light, in the end it's really all about the image, buyers just dont care which lens you used.

all this technical talk about using F1.4 primes holds true for corporate portraits and wedding in my opinion, for anything else we're free to debate forever about the pros and cons.

508
I'm guessing they could ....

Buy a subscription and use some fancy computer robots to download the full pacakge
or
Set up a bot to crawl the web searching for high res images posted on wordpress blogs
or
some other nefarious tactic beyond my imagination.


i've found a few tools doing "bulk image downloading", but they dont even waste too much time coding their own bots, most of them are addons for automated tools like ScrapeBox or UBot Studio.

here there's even a freeware on Download.com, no idea if it works, now i'm going to try it.

http://download.cnet.com/Google-Image-Downloader/3000-2381_4-75439931.html

but there's a sh-itload of similar tools even for Flickr and other image site, it's nothing new or difficult actually, technically they're called "bulk image scrapers".

HOWEVER, not many of the images scattered on blogs and sites are full size, most of them are 800px or 1024px and rightly so, there's no reason to use 12MP or 24MP images on a blog article and most of the blogging tools do auto-resize nowadays.

i think the few full size images you can find are because of newbie users who dont know how to resize properly or were in a rush.

the real culprits are pirate sites with full size wallpapers, image packs, etc.



509
How will SS follow up on this complaint.  I.E. What is SS doing to actively protect contributors from this common type of infringement theft?

if the images are all RF and had many downloads there's nothing they can do unless they sue everybody asking to see a proof they bought a licence.

that's RF's dirty little secret ...  enjoy !


510
there are many other stock packs, try searching "stock" in the section "Others/Pictures" :

http://thepiratebay.is/search/stock/0/7/603

511
Da vinci with all of his ingenuity and talent would be hard pressed to make a living in this biz these days.

To me the effort has seemed like blowing up a baloon with a hole in it. And the hole is slowly getting bigger.

I expect to be slapped for my honesty but that has been what it seems like.

sooner or later it will become impossible to live with stock alone.
it's already the same for music and much more, and it was already the norm for book writers since decades.

i mean there's nothing stopping agencies from pushing prices and royalties even lower, and they will as they've nothing to lose as long as they can still make a decent profit.

we're just "collateral damage", they will never see us in person, they will never even know we pay the bills with stock, we don't exist, we're just numbers on a monitor.

you can stay afloat if you've 30,000 RM images or 10,000 RF images but the agency can quickly change the rules of the game, maybe because of domino effect or maybe because buyers have smaller budgets and we're the last wheel of the chain, the voiceless ones who can either accept being enslaved even more or forced to leave the industry to the crowd of young happy snappers willing to upload for free or for a credit line.

agencies owe us nothing and if you think stock images are a masterpiece of art that cannot be easily replaced by Flickrs and newbies think again !





512
i can say the chances to make money on micros are LOT higher than selling ebooks on Amazon or music on iTunes.

and last i've heard was a friend of mine earning around 50$ (100 downloads) from a sub-genre top-20 song on Beatport and he'll have to wait 6-9 months from his label to be paid.

what else ? merchandising on PoD sites ? good luck considering the top sellers are mostly vectors and crap.

fine-art ? that's an even harder nut to crack.

seriously, if you think we have it bad try music or journalism.



513
General Stock Discussion / Re: Travel photography Sales
« on: April 26, 2013, 14:26 »
however, i don't think it's all doom and gloom.

tourism across the world is still a strong industry and there's no way they can promote tourism without nice photos.

514
General Stock Discussion / Re: Travel photography Sales
« on: April 24, 2013, 21:13 »
while useful advice, it's not as difficult or binary as that - when our drivers' in India find out we're interested in photography, they start actively looking for pictures for us; similarly with most local guides. I've never climbed a mountain or taken a hike with the sole purpose of getting a shot - but my companions know I may not be the first one back to the trailhead.  the one thing to avoid is organized tours, esp'ly those w buses.  exception is sound & light shows - I usually wander around and find good positions while waiting for m y 'lighting crew'

it depends on the location and it's up to you to ponder the pros and cons and therefore the costs involved in time and money.

some locations are hard to reach and while on paper they have some potential they can turn out to be wasted time.

in poor countries you can easily rent a taxi for a whole day for 10-15$ but if you're in a big city with 10-20 million people you still need one hour just to reach the suburbs.

while many locations outside the city may look inviting they're rarely worth the hassle, there's a good reason they're not considered "hot spots" and same for the so called "off the beaten tracks" which are certainly worth the trip if you're into trekking and want to relax but for photography they're hit or miss.

same for some markets that open early in the morning and close after a few hours, if they're famous OK go for it, but otherwise dont bother and stick with the famous ones where you're sure there are interesting subjects and lots of people.

take a look at any travel article about Bangkok for instance, despite Bangkok having 10 million people there's not a single "landmark" for which bangkok is famous and so the most used images are about the "bangkok floating market" which in reality is far away from the city, then you have the Royal Palace and the main temples but for one reason or another photo editors keep using these * floating market images that have absolutely nothing to do with the real daily life in Bangkok.

same for Phuket and Samui, the most popular beaches dont look very good, and photo editors pick up images of the most remote beaches trying to make it look like paradise on heart.
problem is, they're hard to reach (eventually only by private boat and it doesnt come cheap) and the tourists will never see them as they also look good only in high season and at the right time and with good weather.

so what you're gonna do ? hire private boats, private taxis, spend a whole day to shoot what maybe 10-20 landscape images and a few other pics with random fishermen ?

i can tell you, if you're into this your production costs will skyrocket and you've no guarantee of making good shots too because the weather can turn bad very quickly, and that's why this sort of images (landscapes) are better suited for magazines with big pockets like National Geographic rather than stockers and microstockers traveling on a shoestring.

if Landscape is all you can do and all you like to do maybe you better stick with your own city and your province, doing so you will save a lot of money but it still takes a lot of time and it's a lot of work.

with the same time it takes to shoot a few good Landscapes you could shoot a 100 or more interesting images in markets and in downtowns, mostly about people and monuments and architecture.

however, considering how cheap some poor countries are, you dont really need a strict pre-planning like you would do in expensive places in europe.

515
General Stock Discussion / Re: Travel photography Sales
« on: April 24, 2013, 20:31 »
Was it fun? Yea but it was a lot of work too, something that is required in many cases of travel photography.

I beg to differ.
That photo is LANDSCAPE Photography.

A proper typical postcard image would include people in the beach and would be shot in daytime with sun and blue ski, eventually including a few boats at the horizon.

Of course to make Landscapes you must also travel, that's a given, but they're two very different things !
Your photo is more geared towards calendars or concepts or advertising rather than travel books and travel articles.

On the other side it would be 100% Travel if it was a shot of a famous site at 04.30 AM, like the Taj Mahal, Angkor Wat, the Potala, the HongKong skyline, the temples of Bagan ...

however if we talk about sales, good luck selling a shot of the Taj Mahal or Angkor Wat, all the agencies including micros are literally flooded by this stuff, and how many millions shots of the Tour Eiffel are already on sale ?

516
General Stock Discussion / Re: Travel photography Sales
« on: April 24, 2013, 13:02 »
why these stereotypes about travel photographes are still so popular ?

if you make travel stock you're working hard every day, it's NOT fun, it's work !
you have often to move from place to place, find a place to sleep, shower, take your camera and make a list of locations to visit, go there on foot or with other means, shoot temples, monuments, people, markets, whatever suits your style, stop for lunche and stop for dinner, and then relax by night for a beer or for a well deserved nap.

can't see how this is so funny especially in tropical countries where you sweat like crazy with two kilos of gear on your neck.

consider also that the weather could turn bad and rain for the whole day, leaving you very few stock opportunities to get interesting shots if you're stuck under a torrential rain for hours inside a bar or in the middle of nowhere.

some of the people you shoot can also turn nasty or becoming a royal pain in the a-ss, many are happy but many have a chip on the shoulder with tourists and photographers, cops and guards can also be equally hard to deal with especially in museums and government/royal/whatever buildings.

i mean, your typical day is walking for hours and shooting, stopping for a quick lunch, moving to the next place, and walking again and shooting.

if you think it's all done on a taxi with aircon you're totally wrong, either you walk or you lose most of the best shots in my experience, i mix mototaxi, taxi, and tuktuks, but there's no way to just avoid the walks and the heat unless you only target the most famous hot spots but in that case why bother ? these places have been already covered to death in any agency.

for anything else, if you like to travel, to see new things every day, to deal with crazy people every day, and you've a sense of adventure then it's a great job and you'll feel rewarded once you're back home editing your new collection as each photo will remind you of a place with the smells and the noise and the music and anything attached.

true, you see millons of tourists with thei nikon and canons bursting shots at every step but none of them is going to join a stock agency and the fools who try will soon give up when they see how difficult is to make steady sales nowadays.

as for the fun side, there's of course time to get fun but then it's up to you and your scheduling.
you cannot get drunk every night and then sleep the next day, you cannot take it easy and go home with just 10-20 saleable images per day, you cannot do crazy things and risk your gear or your neck, it's too easy when in a new country to fell pray of scammers or ending up in the bad place at the bad time for whatever reason especially considering your camera will always attract unwanted attention.

if you hear photographers telling you doing Travel is a lot of fun maybe he's a newbie or he's telling BS or he's just having fun and shooting 1-2 hrs a day, in that case his collection will not be enough to even repay the production costs but that's a whole different story anywayas nowadays very few places can give you the option to recoup the costs with stock alone, let alone making a profit.









517
maybe his images go straight into Vetta and other collections ?

and i wonder who's still buying at Masterfile and Superstock by the way, suprised they're still in business.

518
out of curiosity i looked at the Pictures top 100 section of Pirate Bay and guess what ... nr.1 and nr. 2 in the list there's a couple packs of stolen shutterstock images, each pack is 60-70GB !

besides, there are other 4-5 packs in the list, 30-40GB each.

http://thepiratebay.se/top/603


in the first pack (http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/7757399/Shutterstock_-_stock_photography_collection_1) one guy even complains about the "copyright na-zis" :

"Sorry, I can't share this content any longer (problems with the copyright na-zis). Please get it from rutracker. Use google translate for an English instead of a Russian interface."

RuTracker.ru is a russian warez forum with links to torrents and bitlockers, maybe that's exactly where all these stolen pictures are coming from ?

519
iStockPhoto.com / Re: Uploaded limits raised to 999
« on: April 23, 2013, 00:43 »
but i've also a new conspiracy theory : first they allow unlimited uploads but next they will automatically move underperforming images into a new dump collection .. it would make sense and keep the site fresh.

520
iStockPhoto.com / Re: Uploaded limits raised to 999
« on: April 23, 2013, 00:40 »
this new move from IS clearly shows management finally had come to terms with reality.
they're no more the king of the hill, they're just in the top-4.

besides, sales will suffer for the exclusives as IS will soon be flooded by new uploads.
it's gonna be a numbers game, more than before.


521
Alamy.com / Re: new forum at Alamy...
« on: April 22, 2013, 19:09 »
thumbs up for the forum ! it was time ! and IPB is one of the most stable and flexible forum CMS around.

however, the lack of anonimity will kill most of the interest discussions as people will be scared of getting their alamy account banned.

and i dont understand why there cant be a private section for alamy contributors, what's the point in having a public forum ? some discussions about sales for instance are better not be public.



522
Alamy.com / Re: Alamy launches NEW site !
« on: April 05, 2013, 09:52 »
by the way, there's an Alamy Uploader addon for Lightroom, it should support all the fields, not sure about the keyword limit.

http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/exchange/index.cfm?event=extensionDetail&extid=1946522



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523
Alamy.com / Re: Alamy launches NEW site !
« on: April 04, 2013, 13:58 »
hilarious, I've been to the Alamy site one time and came across Xanox and his poisonous words (mostly bagging out micro and MSG in general) and now, this person is HERE. I think your reputation precedes you i'm afraid, if even I know about you.

i'm done with their forum, i'm a "born again stocker".


524
Off Topic / Re: New Canon
« on: April 04, 2013, 03:13 »
hi, i wonder what are the advantages getting a medium format camera?

the high resolution may meet some special commercial requirement which need to print it extra large size?

does it share common lense? it seems bulky so does it mean it is usually restricted to use in studio?

some buyers with big pockets are willing to pay to achieve the "maximum possible quality".

and why not considering some AD campaigns cost hundreds of thousands of dollars ?

a friend of mine works in a creative agency, he told me most of the photographers use Hasselblads and they ask 10-20K $ to shoot some t-shirts of famous brands on white background that are later heavily photoshopped.

for these guys the cost of a medium format is nothing.

525
Stocksy / Re: Any Sale?
« on: April 03, 2013, 12:51 »
what really matters is who the buyers will be : micro buyers ? midstock buyers ? random buyers searching something in between micro and RM ?

and how much is their budget ? will they come back or they're just seeking deals ?

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