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Symbiostock / Re: Is this project dead?
« on: August 13, 2014, 00:04 »
I do find it ironic that the same people who lose their mind at the thought of giving away their photos often are the same people who expect free software to power their business.

freeware is one thing, open source is another thing.

even microsoft and adobe gave out many products for free, freeware has always been part of the ecosystem.

but open source is quite another story.
there's nothing wrong using free versions of PS Elements or trial/demo versions of Lightroom.
by opposite using open source photo apps you know from the start these apps can be unstable, can be buggy, can be abandoned overnight, you don't know what their roadmap will be, especially if the developers cannot make decent money with it.

so, we've many choices nowadays but if sh-it happens we can only blame ourselves.
besides this reasoning has no ground in photography as PS is a de facto monopoly and nobody is going back using The Gimp or Corel Draw just for the sake of using free software or cheap software alternatives.

too many developers think the real cost in on developing applications.
no, it's on maintaining and upgrading and supporting the applications, so many things can go wrong with different versions of the OS or the CMS or the server, it's a hell .. you will spend more time debugging and fixing small issues than writing from scratch the whole app !

and finally it's always all about the money.
why nobody is making Gimp a superior product on par with PS ?
because the money isn't there, there's no demand, there are no coders willing to waste months or years for a failed product.

developers are the life blood of open source, if they bail out it's game over, it becomes abandonware, academic projects.




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Symbiostock / Re: Is this project dead?
« on: August 12, 2014, 23:49 »
the 'free' software movement is slightly different in that most of the successful products were created by people with another source of funding (universities & other grants, tech companies that could then sell extra services, etc)  applying these same expectations to the arts hurt because few artists have any type of support  other than their work.

i believe the golden days of open source are finally over.
there's too much money to be made on mobile apps and coders have definitely noticed the trend and are no more willing to give freebies away like in the past.

problem is, because of oversaturation it's very very hard to monetize mobile apps, no matter if paid or free or freemium with ads.

the volumes are huge but so is the number of apps and for android the situation is the worst.

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if there is a new site  opening up other possibilities
to a market already as pointed out by many here, saturation point  ms.

the stock industry seem pretty stable, if people start buying from new small sites it just means they will buy less from elsewhere, it's more or less like a sum zero game at the moment.

we have to wait and see.
i don't think new small sites have any chance to emerge right now unless they're backed by millions of $ to be spent in advertising, see the many 500px and similar sites that are still struggling to make steady sales.

we should not forget the real goal of these startups is NOT to make real profits but to gather a large enough customer base in order to be sold to the next VC and shareholder.


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Cameras / Lenses / Re: My Sony RX10 verdict after Nikon D200
« on: August 12, 2014, 07:17 »
Most of the world's most important 'street photographs' were taken before AF was invented. Focus is not critical and zone focusing was always the thing anyhow. If you wanted a camera to take those sorts of pictures today then the 2014 Ricoh GR would surely be better than any DSLR tourist camera.

Daido Moriyama: In Pictures

sure, but we're in 2014, man.

people used film and manual focus only because technology wasn't there, today they would go digital all the way and wouldn't look back.

i've nothing against shooting with cr-ap pocket cameras, i had many and they're fun and i use them very often, but it's a pain in the as-s how much they're slow and clunky.

i tried a Ricoh some time ago, no idea what model it was, but i remember it was slow as a dog, even browsing the menu was slow !


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Symbiostock / Re: Is this project dead?
« on: August 12, 2014, 04:19 »
in other words, photography has never been as popular as today, and so is music, software, video, videogames, and so many creative applications and artworks.

and YET it's never been so hard to make money out of it like today.

there was a time people would pay 50-100$ per hour to code HTML 1.0 ... now they refuse to use your app even if it's free.

what's next, will they pretend to get paid as beta testers since there might be a few bugs in the code and so they will suffer from downtime and maintenance ?

and i've never seen such a pile of sh-it apps before the advent of Android and the Play Store ... not that i could care less but it gives us a rough idea of the dreadful situation and it's going to get worse for developers as far as i see it.


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Symbiostock / Re: Is this project dead?
« on: August 12, 2014, 04:14 »
"Well, my guys in India could do it for less..."

Leo, i understand you.

For very similar reasons i've quit doing coding, and if we talk about CMS and especially about open source CMS the only ones making decent money are the guys selling templates while the coders are starving or keeping it as a side hobby.

Even WP is not making money from coding but just from selling upsells, domain names, upgrades, tech support.

It's such a tragedy and if that matters i've friends giving away their music for almost free and monetizing a bit selling merchandising and doing some gigs ... but gigs pay peanuts to artists so they're scre-wed anyway.

The ultimate problem is since everybody has a computer nowadays they think they can do it themselves and they think it's not rocket science and therefore it must be priced cheap or even being free.

And even if it's free they will endlessly complain and complain again, so much that they complain about their waster time and therefore their wasted money, as if free software was the same as commercial software.

This * Free culture is really the root of all evils in my opinion and i would be more than happy living without linux, lamp, android, and the whole cr-ap, give me IIS, Visual Studio, ASP.net, WinMobile, IOS, no problem, but nooo ... people want free or nothing and they want the sourced code too, all served on a golden platter, then they will rant about the lack of documentation and multi language, and the list is endless.

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Cameras / Lenses / Re: My Sony RX10 verdict after Nikon D200
« on: August 12, 2014, 04:03 »
AF speed is only important if you are taking the sorts of pictures which need fast AF.

DSLRs are great in a studio. But walking around with one today is rather like having your cell phone in a belt holster IMO. And they kind of get in the way.

i would use such pocket camera only for street photography so yes AF speed is important !
but also power-on speed, i can't work with a camera taking 3-4 second to power on and focus, it must be instant-on like a DSLR.

so what's the problem ? slow cpus ? not enough memory ? crippled-down architecture ?
i don't get it, some of these cameras cost almost 1000$, why they can't just take the same electronics of a nikon D3000 for instance and make it mirroless  with a 35mm prime lens ??

the only reason might be they have no intention to cannibalize their DSLR market and i can understand their fears but .. ?

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Cameras / Lenses / Re: My Sony RX10 verdict after Nikon D200
« on: August 12, 2014, 03:56 »
The sony rx10 is not a toy by any means. I really got it for the video capabilities and when on form the stills are excellent. If it is equal to my D200 I am happy.

ok, but i was talking about photos, not video, i don't need video, and actually i hate the idea of cameras doing video, audio, wi-fi, facebook, coffee, and who knows what more ... i want a camera just doing one thing and doing it well.

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Cameras / Lenses / Re: My Sony RX10 verdict after Nikon D200
« on: August 12, 2014, 01:11 »
i tried a few mirrorless cameras recently and i'm of the opinion they're still a long way from being on par even with a cheap 400$ DSLR.

they're excellent for portability, weight, and size, but for anything else i'm disappointed, and i really wanted to buy one and my needs are nothing special, all i need is a good prime lens and a fast camera but none of them is fast as a DSLR especially regarding AF.

i think we'll have to wait 2-3 more yrs before seeing decent pocket cameras in the market, all i've seen so far as toys packed with all the bells and whistles and they don't come cheap, not at all.


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Symbiostock / Re: Is this project dead?
« on: August 12, 2014, 01:06 »
this project was just too ambitious and unrealistic for a single coder and he had to learn it the hard way.

if we look at similar e-commerce CMS they're all written by an entire team and it took 2-3 yrs to reach the point of a stable release.

yeah there are exceptions like the first PhpNuke or OScommerce but they were a disaster for a loooong time before becoming relatively stable, and they started during the web 1.0 era, nowadays it's all a big mess even if using a solid framework and all, and new versions of WP can pretty much screw it up overnight.

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Finally a ray of sunshine in all the doom and gloom that this forum normally had :P

It ain't gonna last long :)

The industry is still relatively healthy, but only as long as you're an agency.

No matter if prices are stable and sales are growing a little, due to the actual oversupply and saturation we will all need to produce more and earn less.

Now, the issue is about how much more and when, not about "IF".

As i see it, only stock factories or photo collectives have any chance to stay in biz 20 yrs from now.
many will diversify and many others will leave for greener pastures, no other options at the horizon.

There will be also further M&As and consolidation among agencies and therefore a further grip on our fees.
Well it's already a semi-monopoly anyway.

Said that, yes it's definitely a great job compared to being yet another corporate drone enslaved into a cubicle perpetually watching his back from blackmailing and office politics.

I think the moral of the story is that there's never been such a demand and acceptance for photography like today and before or later in one way or another there will be a way to monetize it and grab a small slice of the pie.

Actually we might even give away our photos for free and then making money indirectly with merchandising or whatever, that's what a couple friends of mine are doing successfully with their music studio and their bands .. it's awful but they have survived the MP3 revolution, piracy, and all the doom and gloom, i could many further examples in other industries if that matter ... it's a tough time for everybody and WW3 is about to start, we must be prepared for the worst.

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SS is growing too fast in my opinion.

it's unsustainable, they're certainly preparing a big fat sellout.

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There is no more wood for the furnace so it is time to burn the seats.

One thing is sure, buyers will still need stock photos so in one way or another the whole industry is here to stay.

I don't see any disrupting new technology or market change at the horizon, this is a mature and saturated industry, all the players know where they belong in terms of market share, prices aren't going to change much, demand is stable, and costs have been already cut to the bone.

There's little they can do at this point to change the game as long as they all sell the same sh-it.

I think Getty is just accepting the situation as it is, why should they be hellbent on getting back their leadership ? it would cost dozens or hundreds of millions in marketing and advertising and i'm sure they realized it's too risky and not worthy, and maybe they also hope SS will crash and burn for whatever reason due to their new status as public company ?

In fact SS is forced by their new shareholders to aggressively grow over time while IS can pretty much lose money for a long time and nobody at Getty will give a sh-it.

As for us, we should never ever expect anything positive regarding our fees, if i look at other cut-throat industries like textile or raw food all i can see is suppliers in the third world being treated like slaves and paid less than a pittance and kept by the bal-ls by greedy employers and foreign multinationals and with their local government more than happy to get bribes and billions in exchange for closing an eye on their abysmal living standards.

Matter of fact, nobody cares about our fees and nevel will, we're alone and our products are de facto dime a dozen and sold in bulk, photography has never been as devalued as today.

While i'm reading in this very moment the imminent announcement of new cameras being launched at Photokina costing an arm and a leg the guys at stock agencies are busy discussing how to further cut our fees or squeeze our bal-ls a bit more, strictly speaking they don't need us anymore, at least not the single niche photographer, while they're more than happy with photo factories and bulkers, i'm sure they'll be even more happy welcoming stockers from third world countries who are ok with a 100$/month wage and honestly i'm surprised they haven't already flooded the market considering their only disadvantage is the cost of the gear compared to their cheap salaries and their problems with proper keywording in english.

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I have never seen any evidence of analysing cold data there, decisions over the last few seem to have been taken on the basis that it seemed like a good idea at the time.  They probably were a little hard but only on technical aspects and you could train monkeys to look for technical flaws @ 200%.  Setting a different bar is one thing, throwing all standards out the window is another thing altogether.

if we look back, IS haven't done any disastrous single move to tank their business, their management was bad overall but that's the norm in most companies everywhere.

what's killing them is the competition from SS.
SS did everything right from the start, they had a good business model and an agile team and they sticked to it.

from this scenario, there's little IS could do and there's little they can do now.
it would smell of desperation and it wouldn't work anyway, the market now is saturated and the pie has been sliced, game over for IS !

if we wonder why they haven't hired a good CEO, well maybe that's because the ones they interviewed for the job quickly realized the situation was hopeless and refused the offer.

lowering the bar on quality is probably yet another desperate move to see what sticks on the wall ?
they know their dominance is finished and in the best scenario IS will just be one of the top-4 agencies.

in a nutshell, they don't have a corporate culture compatible with the industry they're in now.
they were ok when there was no competition but SS totally changed the game.

bye bye IS, we'll not miss you.

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While I agree that the market is pretty well saturated, and will continue to get more so, I still don't see the logic in dropping standards to the extent they have been at iStock.
If you have plenty to pick from, why pick anything but the best?
It seems to me to be a classic example of "Skinning a gnat for a farthing, and spoiling a penny knife doing it"

i think they finally looked at the numbers and cold data and reached the conclusion they were too hard in the selection process and that buyers are more than happy with "good enough" images.

and probably it was too expensive to hire and maintain all those inspectors, lowering the bar means lower costs and a few less employees to feed.


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^^@hobostocker: I realise the search algorithm is different for different searches, but when many searches are over populated with spammed files which don't even match the search term, the buyers arw getting a worse expedience.
Also the reported experience of most people is that new files - going back to Sept 2012 aren't selling as well as older files. That can be backed up by looking at most recent uploads tbrough a wide range of contributors. Be sure to check upload dates too - I found two BD ports where the recent uploads page seemed to be selling well - but neither had uploaded much in two years. New files sell from time to time - but not enough to encourage people to keep uploading.

agencies are in the business of selling photos, not in the business of providing a steady income to their suppliers, that's not their problem and never was and never will.

of course this is true as long as there are still suppliers willing to upload new images in order to earn a pittance.

but so far so good, i haven't heard a single agency taking action on this matter, as far as they're concerned they're all making fat profits so why should they bother ?

photographers earning nothing is not a bug, it's a feature of the actual stock industry.
either we move to greener pastures or we'll soon be unable to break-in with production costs.

but this will take time, maybe years to be finally acknowledged by agencies, if ever.
considering the millions of images on sales they could pretty much stop uploading new stuff for a long time and only a few buyers would ever notice or complain.

we're well over the saturation point in my opinion, and they don't need us anymore.

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Alamy.com / Re: Alamy- Tips on getting Sales
« on: August 09, 2014, 02:34 »
Yeah, walk around with your camera and point it at stuff and keep clicking, upload 10s of thousands of whatever comes out and some of it will probably find buyers.

Actually it's called Street Photography and there's still demand for it.

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i've nothing against these bundles unless they contain stolen images.

after all lots of people post the same cr-ap for free on Flickr and similar sites.

i don't think it's a menace to stock in any way, serious buyers will stay away from such sites.

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Alamy.com / Re: Alamy- Tips on getting Sales
« on: August 08, 2014, 06:15 »
for instance, the BBC website is using Alamy photos amost every day.
most of them are about travel locations and "people doing things".

i'm selling exactly that on alamy, no idea how other niches will perform, but the 100$ gross average is a bit on the high end in my experience.


 

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i'm not convinced this is a bad thing, i think they realized buyers are more interested in fresh images than in a stale creative collection, besides they must find a way to clearly diversify IS from the main Getty site but it doesn't mean the quality has to go down the drain as their search algo is still providing the best results on top and leaving the cr-ap sandboxed.

it's just a different approach, that's all, of course it will lose some sales to exclusives but they couldn't care less.


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it must be a fly by night magazine if they can't even pay for photos, they don't even have a .com domain and this is a big red flag.

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ultimately it's the buyers who are buying less due to budget cuts, newspapers going bankrupt, and the whole crisis in the editorial and print business.

we can't expect the market to keep the same going rates as pre-2008, it's unrealistic, even lots of in-house photographers lost their jobs in the major news agencies and now are struggling doing freelance jobs.

and it's not as bad as in the music business or in any other digital business in my opinion, i see ebooks and videogames and apps being sold online for 0.99$ for instance and despite this lots of users stick with free and freemium apps.

i don't think the issue is just our low fees, the real issue is buyers are slashing their budgets and there's nothing we can do about it, paired with the fact that the entire editorial world is moving to digital and online where they dont have any need for high-res images.

it's silly to complain so much as from any perspective we're still having it better than in many other creative fields and there's no doubt it's easier to shoot photos than writing a whole book or coding a videogame or an App.


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Fees are below 50% because it's increasingly hard to sell images.

If it was so easy to sell online then try it out yourseld, build your own site, and see how much you're required to invest in advertising.

Microstock in particular is a cut-throat business, there's a good reason if SS is spending up to half of its earning in marketing and advertising.

If it's hard for the market leaders why it should be any easier for the average stock photographer ?

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Alamy.com / Re: New dashboard for photographers...
« on: May 29, 2014, 05:16 »
I have closed my account because they are  a bunch of pompous twats. And their contributors need a reality check. They think they do well but in reality they make feck all. People are happy with 12 sales in a month, like 500 net, with 20,000 images. They need to wake up and smell the coffee.

yes and if you dare taking a look at their portfolio it's mostly snapshots of no commercial or artistic value, they're lucky to make any sales actually, probably obscure and hard to find editorial subjects and god knows how much time they spent on keywording...


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General Stock Discussion / Re: infringement compensation
« on: May 28, 2014, 09:43 »

It's been like shared reflagged over a thousand times and who knows how many untracked. If I sue everybody I'd be filthy rich. Sadly that's not quite possible.

because we're still in the Wild West of internet.

the NSA can monitor pretty much anything under the sun and yet the governments still claim it's impossible to track piracy and copyright infringements when they know pretty well that a "web police" would just take 5 minutes to take down pirate sites and pirated content and get any info about the criminals.

there's just no political will to change the ongoing disastrous situation as it would "break the internet" as we know it ... nobody could easily engage in blogging, social networks, chats, and in particular nobody could post images lifted from google images or FB without paying for a licence or permission !

but it's not all doom and gloom ... recently Russian politicians seem to have found an agreement about treating blogging on par with journalism and this means they will have to be legally responsible for anything they publish including stolen pics, next turn it will be forums and then eventually social networks like VK and FB and Twitter.

a police state ? it's already a police state so who cares ? what it is now is just a heaven for pirates and scroungers leaving nothing to protect us.

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