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iStockPhoto.com / Re: New price filter
« on: June 23, 2011, 18:44 »
The reset is an excellent feature IMO. I'd be very concerned if the price filter selection defaulted to anything other than best match

I think it's the notion that you have to keep resetting over and over to what you want if you're doing multiple searches to try and find something - or a set of pictures. And if you just don't have the budget for Vetta/Agency and need, let's say, 4 images, you can't just make the setting stick.

I could live with a reset every 24 hours, or on logout, or .... anything other than every single search. It's really maddening to have to keep dragging that slider down two notches.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: New price filter
« on: June 23, 2011, 18:00 »
So it seems that 4 dots is agency, 3 dots is vetta, 2 dots is Exclusive+ and 1 dot is independents, Photos+ and regular exclusive.

I'm glad to see they've (belatedly) done something, but as they don't price in dots, having an interface in dots is very confusing, IMO.

I can't see that there's much of a need to separate Vetta and Agency - having half the places for the expensive stuff smells like a sop for those who didn't want any search by price/credits/collection at all. The dollar bin isn't included in the settings, which is a shame IMO.

Getty has search by collections, so I'm not sure why they felt the need to go invent this new construct (one to four dots) instead of using collections or ranges of credits.

No worries about P+ being excluded as it's right in there with the one dot pricing.

Big problem is that it resets for every single search - it should at a bare minimum stay that way until you log out. Best is it's a preference.

I'd give this a gentleman's C

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Woo-Nay
« on: June 23, 2011, 12:40 »
speaking 'woo-yay' -- what's the deal with the PTOTW?  do they delete the previous one once a new pimp thread has started? I pretty much lost interest when it was taken over by istock admins. 


I think you will find all the old threads in the Lighbox forum. I never go in there, so I only know because somewhere in the past Rob made mention of the old PTOW threads going there in some forum I do read.

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I think most of the agency license agreements specifically prohibit using anything in a logo, so at a minimum it's a license violation. When someone uploaded works at DT that were a composite of one of my images and one of their own, it was treated as a copyright infringement and IS worked to get the material removed. I also believe that sometimes there are legal arguments over the boundaries of derivative works and what infringes.

Are you looking to stop them doing this or get paid appropriately for it? If it's the latter, how about proposing an RM license that gives them the right to do what they've done in return for some cash for you?

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General Photography Discussion / Re: Focus? Hocus Pocus!
« on: June 22, 2011, 11:27 »
It's an interesting hybrid - keeping some of the camera-view-of-the-world conventions while allowing after-the-fact changes you can't do with current cameras.

It doesn't seem to permit you to have everything in focus - as you would get via focus stacking multiple shots. It also doesn't seem to be able to let you do what a tilt-shift lens would do and move the in-focus plane at an angle.

Will be interesting to monitor this to see how things progress.

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Veer / Re: Approved image not seen in database for 22 days
« on: June 22, 2011, 10:47 »
Reviews at Veer are just glacial - I uploaded images June 2nd and they're still pending. I don't know if it's worth spending time on them.

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Image Sleuth / Re: Picasa album of Shutterstock images
« on: June 21, 2011, 15:20 »
I also sent site mail to Dieter and Donald Gruener as I recognized their images (santa and pumpkins at sunset). I think that as iStock is probably swamped with compliance stuff right now, getting individuals to do their own DMCA notices might be the fastest method.

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Image Sleuth / Re: Picasa album of Shutterstock images
« on: June 21, 2011, 14:17 »
I sent site mail to Contour99 and MariaPavlova as they each had a full size image in this album.

Useful title - Royalty Free Images. There's a ton of stock in there - you might all want to browse and see if you recognize any of yours.

In the case of the two I sent site mail on, I recognized them as recent free image of the week at iStock. I wonder if someone thought that made this OK??

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Image Sleuth / Re: Picasa album of Shutterstock images
« on: June 21, 2011, 13:23 »
It's possible they are just people collecting their "work" purchases in a Picasa album, but that seems somewhat unlikely to me. A few, perhaps, but so many?

My priority is getting the albums down, regardless of whether they're inadvertent or larcenous in intent. Even if it's the former, I'm sure people with no scruples will have found these and grabbed the images. And if it is inadvertence, perhaps the agencies need to put something very specific in the buyer sections, reminding buyers they can't put the full size image in pubicly accessible places.

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Image Sleuth / Re: Picasa album of Shutterstock images
« on: June 21, 2011, 12:34 »
Shutterstock's "infringement claims" replied to my support ticket this morning. Thank you..we take theft very seriously....

However, the whole album is now gone, so either SS got Picasa to do it or they did it on their own in the meantime (I didn't check back until today).

For yucks, I did a Picasa search for Shutterstock and there were 6390 results. Tons more albums with (from the looks of the few I checked) unwatermarked SS images available for download in contravention of the license. Over 7400 hits for a search for iStock (again, many appear to be collections of images to download illegally vs. a contributor's own portfolio album). Fotolia over 3100 hits.

It's depressing. Couldn't the agencies hire someone to do the searches and DMCA notices on this? Isn't that part of what they get paid to do? I realize they just don't care and don't want to spend any money to protect our images, but I think if the agencies got tougher with Flickr/Yahoo, Picasa/Google, perhaps they could slow this down if not stop it.

At least the thieves might make more effort to hide what they've done. They appear not to bother as they think there are no consequences for doing this.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: "Fair" Trade Rules
« on: June 21, 2011, 09:39 »
I think that there a ton of problems with how agencies currently operate, but any type of "fair trade" seal of approval won't work unless it's marketed to buyers. In other words, if you could get to the point that buyers just wouldn't consider buying from an agency that didn't have the fair trade organization's seal of approval, you'd have something with legs.

There are a number of examples of entities trying to change buyer behavior - fair trade coffee, the Seafood Watch, remember the "Look for the Union Label" song? It's really tough to get people to change their behavior.

What would be ideal is some new agency starting up, abiding by the new code of conduct, and becoming a huge success (whether because of that or not) and then other agencies would follow (like with the legal guarantee me too).

I'm certainly ready for that to happen, but right now, am not holding my breath :)

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Or, they're like boyfriends - full of flattery and wonderful promises, but once they've got what they want - your images - everything's different.

They don't reply to your customer support tickets, payments are late,  promises for more promotion for your images just never materialize - but it'll be happening "soon", they're seeing not one, but thousands of others...

In the end, there you are, alone on a Saturday night with just your hard drive full of wonderful images, crying into a large tub of ice cream which you're eating furiously

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Buyers Bailing on Istock
« on: June 20, 2011, 10:57 »
lobo has an account on MSG, but he's pieman. I have no idea who Vlad is, but I'd be surprised if lobo was operating two accounts here.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Buyers Bailing on Istock
« on: June 20, 2011, 03:26 »
Shutterstock used to take anything a long time ago but now it seems to be harder to get images accepted there than it is on iStock.
In addition, up to 18 months ago it was true that the earnings from iStock were always more than from Shutterstock but since then the situation has reversed dramatically. Now iS only brings in 60% of what Shutterstock produces.

On Friday, my Shutterstock earnings were more than my iStock earnings for the day - and I only have a portion of my porfolio on Shutterstock at this point. And this is almost completely a result of things being really slack for me at iStock lately with the various best match ups and downs.

I would have said at one time that Shutterstock was very loose with acceptance standards, but they have certainly changed. They claim LCV on things that in my case I know have sold (because I have a track record at iStock over the last 3 years to demonstrate saleability), but other than that, I'd say they're pretty good at picking images.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Buyers Bailing on Istock
« on: June 19, 2011, 13:47 »
Had a chuckle at the title.So contributors are having less sales and assume that's because the buyers are leaving..What bollocks !
More contributors ,more choice of content =Less sales.Simple.


Hi Shanks!  blimey,  fancy bumping into you here,  where have you been all these years?

He was last here when he was banned on the iStock forums for a while - has that happened again?

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This image has never sold an EL, so if one is required, they don't have it.

I guess this seems to me more like printing an image on a T shirt than printing an image in a marketing brochure, but in truth the background isn't really the main value in what they're selling. I don't see this as being a huge ripoff in practical terms given that they've got an army of low paid people churning these portraits out and the bulk of the effort on their part is "painting" the subject - not my photo.

If they were just selling the painted beach shot, I think it'd be much clearer that what they were selling was my copyrighted work, albeit gussied up a bit. As it is, they just need to give the buyer an idea for a different background. If you look at the example painting with a cloud background, they don't even closely follow the cloud outlines from the photo in the painted piece.

Honestly, given the paintings, I'd rather they didn't credit me :)

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123RF / Re: Review Times
« on: June 17, 2011, 21:06 »
they are selling more and better than Dreamstime, Fotolia, IS so they can take 1 month.. go 123RF :)

It's more of a hassle when you have a whole portfolio to upload.

 I'm doing batches of 40 or so to ensure that I don't upload content they don't want (and to keep my workflow straight). Once one batch is approved I upload another. However with a week between batches, it's going to be as slow as Dreamstime to get a porfolio uploaded.

Once I've had a few batches approved and feel more confident of what they will and won't reject, I might overlap things without waiting.

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I got a nice e-mail back from the greeting card company with the information about the EL they purchased (I had asked if they'd purchased an EL and from which agency) and it checks out. I also found one of my images with some text added being offered at a free wallpaper site (www.wallpapersbot.com), e-mailed them, and got e-mail back that it had now been removed.

Seems to me that if it becomes known that you can easily be found when you lift things you shouldn't, it may decrease this sort of thing over time. I know people are worried about Google's search increasing unpaid for uses, but I have to think that this balances out overall to a benefit for those of us selling images.

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Image Sleuth / Re: Picasa album of Shutterstock images
« on: June 16, 2011, 20:03 »
It was much faster than in the past. Although I may be thinking of Yahoo (for Flickr) versus Google (for Picasa) - but even so, I've always had a response within 2-3 days.

My guess is that Google responded faster than SS will :)

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General Stock Discussion / Re: A list of partner programs
« on: June 16, 2011, 17:54 »
I didn't see Stocklib by Epictura on the list. Whose partner are they?

I found some images I recognized there - Lisa Young, Paul Cowan, Sandra Cunningham - so I assume it's one of the micros.

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Image Sleuth / Re: Picasa album of Shutterstock images
« on: June 16, 2011, 17:32 »
I didn't contact SS yet, but I will - and point to this post for the details.

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Image Sleuth / Re: Picasa album of Shutterstock images
« on: June 16, 2011, 16:33 »
I received a reply from Google/Picasa about my image - it's been taken down. The album remains though, so anyone else who has images in it will need to complain (I half hoped they might pull the rest as they're all from Shutterstock...)

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I think FWIW you should push back and ask (politely) what rule you have violated.

It's clear lobo isn't happy about this, but threatening to close a contributor account (even if they can do it for no reason at any time because the contract is all written in iStock's favor) is a serious matter. Basic fairness (and legal principles in many western countries) requires that (a) rules/laws be clear enough that you know when you're breaking them and (b) you have information about what rule/law you're being accused of breaking.

This smells like bullying rather than fair discipline for some sort of infraction.

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Google's image search turned up one of my beach pictures here.. Mine is center bottom row.

They offer a "painted" image to the customer. If the customer wishes to have a background replaced, they can pick from one of the images shown.

I know that someone who painted (or collaged) something with one of my copyrighted works couldn't claim copyright to the resulting work, but can they sell it? This seems a bit like the Obama Hope poster dispute (minus the arguing about which photo it was based on).

I'm fairly certain this was sold by iStock but now I'm independent, I doubt they'd look at the issue (and the image has already sold via Canstock, so it might be them).

This site doesn't look like it's going to be the Wal-mart of hand painted photos, but I wondered if using stock in this way was within the license terms.

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Someone has stolen a bunch of Shutterstock images and put them into a Picasa album on the web. See here.

I clicked on my image (blond woman with a headset) and the full size image is there. There's no EXIF in the image, but the image name - shutterstock_1482912 - is the Shutterstock image number.

I have submitted a DMCA takedown notice. Others with Shutterstock images might want to check for theirs. This isn't new, but courtesy of Google's new image search, I just came across it.

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