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« on: January 14, 2015, 06:29 »
I sell far fewer videos at P5 than SS, even though my two portfolios are close to identical. My theory is that P5 buyers are spoilt by some videographers selling too cheaply, making mine look expensive. I wish sellers wouldn't pitch low as it will eventually drag down the microstock market for everybody.[/b]
Totally agree with your point plus P5 is not looking after buyers well and NOT investing in sales at all. No point our files sitting on their server forever, for P5 PR stunt to get more investment and afterwards not do anything for contributors.
652
« on: January 13, 2015, 04:35 »
653
« on: January 11, 2015, 15:36 »
Sorry for both Katje and Josh. Josh, I am not a lawyer or expert with US laws, but in general I hear lawyers will tell clients to not comment publicly in a ongoing court case. I hope you are not causing trouble for yourself posting so many details. Who knows if they can twist your words against you?
I will donate to you and hope many others do the same.
+10
654
« on: January 11, 2015, 03:48 »
I don't know exactly what it is. I think it's probably a combination of marketing, a professional library and a good search algorithm. Customers find what they're looking for more on Shutterstock than they do other sites so they keep coming back.
And SALES! SS invest in selling our media files heavily, which is expensive but crucial for this kind of growth. No life without buyers. Always check careers to understand which direction companies heading to and where are they standing at the moment. SS def sales/customer service force enlargement - http://www.shutterstock.com/jobs/listingsp.s. This thread got 4660 views so far. I am glad some sensible conversation landed here after my font size 36pt shout. :-)
655
« on: January 07, 2015, 19:32 »
awhile back i was heavy-handed with ss, because of their lack of transparency,etc. they have since then been showing signs of going back to be the #1 we made them for many years .
so, i am optimistic with ss. as for the others, wellllllll, there is really, as Mantis puts it in the ds thread, no others.
but i am all for a facelift with anyone, bigstock, alamy, whoever, so long as i read here that others are getting sales finally with them; then i will join that agency even if it has a stinky sounding name .
but for now, no matter how impressive their names are, i am , to quote sweet Shania, not impressed.
the ball is in their court , really. show me they have the stuff to get sales, and i will be there.
Agreed! No point leaving our media files to occupy some data base for PR stunt purpose only. Companies that don't invest in sales/marketing will never succeed.
656
« on: January 07, 2015, 12:00 »
Because they perform better than others, we need to turn a blind eye? Questioning Shutterstock is not allowed because they do well?
Of course we should not turn blind eye and of course questioning Shutterstock or any other agency is allowed.
But saying thank you and bravo is allowed too, as these guys are feeding us along with 500 people who work for Shutterstock.
I wanted to be grateful this time of year, and before you jump to attack me again, please look at my previous posts (#21 ...) where I also voted for a raise.
Have a great day you ALL! 
It would be nice to have moderators to protect me from bullying, personal attacks, labeling, twisting my words and lies that some members spread around here.
Anyone brave enough to say something and stop this ganging?
I AM ASKING MODERATORS TO CLOSE THIS THREAD NOW, STOP BULLYING THAT IS HAPPENING WIHTOUT ANY REASON...STOP INVENTING POSTS I NEVER MADE! WHAT KIND OF SICK SOCIETY IS THIS?
657
« on: January 07, 2015, 11:55 »
I gotta admit, SSArtist is the first artist or contrbutor I can remember thats so excited about not getting a raise and so eager on making up reasons we should not have one.
 I have run into quite a few people on these boards that can come up with any number of reasons we do not deserve a raise. Ron being one of them. I have never run into a business that seems to receive never ending passes for low pay, site technical issues etc.
I will agree it is nice to see a few more frogs jumping out of the boiling soup these days.
CAN ANYONE STOP THIS HATER SPEACH TOWARDS ME? STOP THIS BULLYING NOW. ARE THERE ANY MODERATORS HERE?
658
« on: January 07, 2015, 11:52 »
Because they perform better than others, we need to turn a blind eye? Questioning Shutterstock is not allowed because they do well?
Yes they do well, but with an ever increasing cost for production because of their demand of a certain level of quality, it would be only fair to compensate for that increased cost. Days of selling snaps from dusty HDs are long gone, the demand for quality has risen. A demand raised by the agency.
They used to sell this for 20 cent
Now they sell this for 25 cent
Ron, in case I didn't say before, it's real nice to have you back on msg. Great post.
I gotta admit, SSArtist is the first artist or contrbutor I can remember thats so excited about not getting a raise and so eager on making up reasons we should not have one.
STOP SPREADING LIES! I DID NOT SAY THAT!
659
« on: January 07, 2015, 08:37 »
Welcome!
660
« on: January 07, 2015, 08:19 »
One got to laugh after all these useless exchanges. I hope you all enjoyed reading SS Blog, as informative and interesting. I won't post on this thread anymore....there is no point. Love and peace to ALL!
661
« on: January 07, 2015, 06:55 »
Because they perform better than others, we need to turn a blind eye? Questioning Shutterstock is not allowed because they do well?
Of course we should not turn blind eye and of course questioning Shutterstock or any other agency is allowed.
But saying thank you and bravo is allowed too, as these guys are feeding us along with 500 people who work for Shutterstock.
I wanted to be grateful this time of year, and before you jump to attack me again, please look at my previous posts (#21 ...) where I also voted for a raise.
Have a great day you ALL!
It would be nice to have moderators to protect me from bullying, personal attacks, labeling, twisting my words and lies that some members spread around here.
Anyone brave enough to say something and stop this ganging?
That's what I love about people like you ~ you go on the internet and pontificate about all that is holy and true (in your world view) then as soon as anyone has the temerity to disagree you start squealing "foul" and "bullying" and the powers that be must "protect" me.
When really what you are doing is playing a nasty game with contributors then trying to "censor" any view that does not correspond with yours.
Have you heard the saying "sticks and stones"? Grow some!
I have no idea why you have a need to polarize us here, when we ALL indeed in the same basket?!? Please read my posts and stop putting words into my mouth. Calling me names, suggesting that I work for SS and being plain rude is NOT going to bring good to any of us. It's just a time waste, imho.
662
« on: January 07, 2015, 01:09 »
Because they perform better than others, we need to turn a blind eye? Questioning Shutterstock is not allowed because they do well?
Of course we should not turn blind eye and of course questioning Shutterstock or any other agency is allowed.
But saying thank you and bravo is allowed too, as these guys are feeding us along with 500 people who work for Shutterstock.
I wanted to be grateful this time of year, and before you jump to attack me again, please look at my previous posts (#21 ...) where I also voted for a raise.
Have a great day you ALL!
It would be nice to have moderators to protect me from bullying, personal attacks, labeling, twisting my words and lies that some members spread around here. Anyone brave enough to say something and stop this ganging?
663
« on: January 06, 2015, 02:00 »
I have received Shutterstock payment email today. :-)
me too... yeah!
664
« on: January 05, 2015, 15:56 »
Because they perform better than others, we need to turn a blind eye? Questioning Shutterstock is not allowed because they do well?
Of course we should not turn blind eye and of course questioning Shutterstock or any other agency is allowed. But saying thank you and bravo is allowed too, as these guys are feeding us along with 500 people who work for Shutterstock. I wanted to be grateful this time of year, and before you jump to attack me again, please look at my previous posts (#21 ...) where I also voted for a raise. Have a great day you ALL!
665
« on: January 05, 2015, 15:22 »
I said "probably", which doesn't mean "definitely" !!! ... there must be more reasons why not to pay us more. We can guess all night long. But yeah good point, thanks for sharing your spec knowledge BaldricksTrousers and pointing to shareholders greed.
Yeah, cruel capitalism again.
Anyways, it's take it or leave it....
I think these guys are super pro and well deserve Bravo for all done so far. They def have a strategy and do know what they are doing.
Yours
Naive SSArtist
Naive with rose colored glasses
Thanks...well I am glad old microstock wolfs will open my eyes and point me to the agency where we will ALL earn a fortune. Until then, we will all stick with SS, be bitter and spit the fire towards top agency that actually feeds us. ...Hmmm.....
666
« on: January 05, 2015, 15:09 »
I said "probably", which doesn't mean "definitely" !!! ... there must be more reasons why not to pay us more. We can guess all night long. But yeah good point, thanks for sharing your spec knowledge BaldricksTrousers and pointing to shareholders greed. Yeah, cruel capitalism again. Anyways, it's take it or leave it.... I think these guys are super pro and well deserve Bravo for all done so far. They def have a strategy and do know what they are doing. Yours Naive SSArtist
667
« on: January 05, 2015, 14:57 »
I bet everyone involved in this business with SS would ask for a raise: contributors, employees, contractors, Oringer's cleaner...
Why don't we all ask for money from FaceBook, Whatsup, Twitter, Instagram...as we all helped their success at the end of the day?
I use Facebook to stay in touch with friends and family, I use WhatsApp to chat with people, I use Twitter to promote my site, I use Instagram to showcase images. I use Shutterstock to SELL my intellectual property of which they take 75-70%. Big diff.
Hey, You don't need to use SS...It's purely your choice.
I am merely responding to the argument that I might as well ask Facebook, WhatsApp, Twitter and Instagram for money, because to you that seems to be the same difference. Which it is not.
It was my ref to different business models. It's all out there, ToC... without secrets and we all have freedom to join them or not. At least with SS you get some $$$. With FB, Instagram... you give them 100%.
668
« on: January 05, 2015, 14:41 »
I bet everyone involved in this business with SS would ask for a raise: contributors, employees, contractors, Oringer's cleaner...
Why don't we all ask for money from FaceBook, Whatsup, Twitter, Instagram...as we all helped their success at the end of the day?
I use Facebook to stay in touch with friends and family, I use WhatsApp to chat with people, I use Twitter to promote my site, I use Instagram to showcase images. I use Shutterstock to SELL my intellectual property of which they take 75-70%. Big diff.
Hey, You don't need to use SS...It's purely your choice. Out of all agencies out there, I think these guys are not bad...and they appear the best sellers (because they put effort in it). They are not cheating and promising more than they say. Our files are NOT just sitting on their servers forever like with other agencies (who promise more %), which I personally call a scam. SS is actively selling our media files and probably with operational costs can not afford to pay us more. It's capitalism! AND Yes, it sucks! p.s. +1 for a tiered raise.
669
« on: January 05, 2015, 10:54 »
he he...I am also chuffed! 
670
« on: January 05, 2015, 06:26 »
We have very little to go on since the agencies (probably for competitive reasons) are extremely stingy and poorly organised when it comes to providing their contributors with any data or trends or customer feedback that will help us make business decisions....I predict that won't change.
Agreed...Ad agencies with massive budgets using our work for nothing. So with keeping prices down we help those who actually doesn't need help at all.  One would expect stock agencies to protect us and help with this.
671
« on: January 05, 2015, 05:56 »
I bet everyone involved in this business with SS would ask for a raise: contributors, employees, contractors, Oringer's cleaner...
Why don't we all ask for money from FaceBook, Whatsup, Twitter, Instagram...as we all helped their success at the end of the day?
But sometimes just being grateful for people who really helped us earn some money might be good, no? :-)
As I said before, if somebody knows solution to the complex operations of a stock agency to make everyone happy, please step forward and open one asap.
p.s. of course, I am all for a raise!
672
« on: January 05, 2015, 05:37 »
Buyers are looking for quality files, convenience and superb search engine, fast download, fast and easy checkout with options on payments, superb customer support, legal clearance to avoid any risk, affordable pricing.
I don't see how millennial generation would look for different in buying process? This of course, considering them working in professional capacity on big projects that have great budgets too.
Sadly buyers do not care about our commissions nor agency's employees crap salaries, but that's the way it is.
673
« on: January 05, 2015, 05:17 »
Last year was my First year in Stock Photography and during the Holidays I freaked out because my sales dropped from Dec 23 till Jan 10th. This year It has followed that same pattern although I was hopeful it would pick back up faster to normal speed. Does anyone else have a down turn in sales during this time period and if so when do you typically see your sales go back to normal?
After Jan 10th sales will go back to normal. By then people will go back to work after Xmas holidays.
674
« on: January 04, 2015, 15:47 »
bravo? for ensuring the success of absurd commissions in micro stock markets for eternity?
exactly!!! and also for bringing the valuation of RF imagery to an all time low. it's rather sickening when one really thinks about it.
Well at least these guys selling our stuff and not just collect our media files to show off to their investors how big data base they have.
No point media files sitting on their servers even with 80% commission offered if there is nobody to buy it!
Companies that don't invest in sales operations and marketing seriously will never sell our stuff because buyers just don't care about 30% or 60% artist commission.
They want quality and professionalism. So for that reason SS IS THE WINNER here.
And... it's totally not realistic to expect high commission while running a serious company, with all expenses and pro employees involved.
and the contributors and the industry ARE THE LOSER! 
If you have better ideas how to solve this, why not start a company?
All I am saying, we do earn nice $ with SS and must be some good reason why they sit on top of this Big 4 list.
Contributors are the winners too, otherwise not so many would submit their files to SS. :-)
here i must say i agree with ss. where else do u find regular sales? where else do u get 25,85, 105
USD for a single sale? even if there is a site promising us 250 USD for sales and more % commission than shutterstock, 100% of nothing is nothing.
giving ss end of the year clean-up, i think i expect better things to come for contributors
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+1 ....well said, seriously .... 100% of nothing is nothing!
675
« on: January 04, 2015, 14:52 »
I expect SS will continue to gain market share, but I have the opposite prediction. I think they'll start making more big sales to ad agencies and pay contributors more. I say this because for the first time, I'm working in a major ad agency that has a contract with Shutterstock. It was all Getty until recently. And the art director I'm working with is impressed by the rise in image quality over the past couple of years.
Exactly my thoughts! We got to think about buyers and what they want/need when thinking about which agency will grow.
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