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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Buyers Bailing on Istock
« on: November 06, 2010, 08:03 »
I sell Vettas even having similars linked in a lightbox, in the Vetta's page. The "vetta" one often is the most sold of the whole series, no matter how similar are the other photos. I've seen also in legacy files that have become Vetta that from the moment the file was put in the vetta, the whole series sell much more. I suppose that is a side-efect of having the regulars ones linked in the Vettas's page. Te customer finds the Vetta in the first pages, and if it's too expensive for his budget, buys another one of the same series.

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$20,000 is nothing for propaganda. Whether it's working, it's another issue.
Agreed, it's not much if it worked, their problem is that it has totally backfired. You can't screw your contributors for millions then chuck back loose change to some sycophants and hope that's going to help heal the rift.
It just feels like a slap in the face.
 

That's just a re-distribution of the Punctum Adwards, wich existed long before the comission changes.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: iStock changing royalty structure
« on: November 01, 2010, 12:43 »
It is very easy to know if they hide or "steal" downloads or subscriptions. I'm not going to tell you how. You should know it just thinking a little. Maybe it would help if you didn't have a conclusion you want/need to expose before you begin your thinking process.

I'm sorry, but it's impossible to discover if they steel downloads if they want to hide them, and it's very easy to do on their end.
It would be fair tho, if you could explain your theory about impossibility to hide downloads from contributors, because the only thing you can check is the number of downloads that you can see in your port, and you can never be sure if they hide 1-2% of downloads from you.

Think a little bit, please.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: iStock changing royalty structure
« on: October 31, 2010, 21:19 »
It is very easy to know if they hide or "steal" downloads or subscriptions. I'm not going to tell you how. You should know it just thinking a little. Maybe it would help if you didn't have a conclusion you want/need to expose before you begin your thinking process.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Buyers Bailing on Istock
« on: October 30, 2010, 20:54 »
Better or worse, done or overdone, the fact is that Vetta sells. I'm selling more Vetta (on percentage per numbers of Vettas in my portfolio) than regulars. Discussion on artistisc merits is futile, because is subjective. Customer paying way more to buy these files is, at the very least, objective data.

I don't doubt they sell, Loop.  And I am glad you are making money.  But the question really is - do the vetta/agency images sell because they are actually better, and worth 10X (or more) the money, or because the best match is so heavily slanted in their favor? 

The only way to know for sure would be to have a broad mix of various collections in the first few pages of the search and then let the Vettas or Agency stuff stand on their own merits.  But that is never going to happen.  Because given a much cheaper, reasonably similar image, most buyers would choose that.

Yes, best match is better for Vettas, and so, they are easier to find, but, on the other hand, they cost until 15x (minimun size) what han exclusive regular costs, and that largely levels the said advantage... In theory  it should  be much more difficult to sell. When, for example, some Vetta is a best selling image of a series, having this Vetta the similar regular  images from this series linked in a ligthbox in its own page, I cant avoid thinking costumers judge that this Vetta is better than her sisters. And, most times, I agree.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Buyers Bailing on Istock
« on: October 30, 2010, 17:32 »
Better or worse, done or overdone, the fact is that Vetta sells. I'm selling more Vetta (on percentage per numbers of Vettas in my portfolio) than regulars. Discussion on artistisc merits is futile, because is subjective. Customer paying way more to buy these files is, at the very least, objective data.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Buyers Bailing on Istock
« on: October 26, 2010, 19:23 »
First we got microstock and now it seems the dawn of the micro-mouth is upon us.

To say that Mr. Ross' portfolio is the 'wrong side of average' is rather offensive and very untrue. I think his sales record in microstock is a reflection of how late-in-the-day he entered the microstock market rather than an indication of his abilities.

Mr. Ross has speculated that due to the increasing number of images being sold and the increasing number of people making those images that it is likely that more model releases are suspect these days than they used to be, and that this is evident in a tightening of MR standards (and in some cases, the option to purchase an additional guarantee) by some agencies. That all seems perfectly reasonable to me. So, why on earth does it warrant these personal attacks on someone's character? It's beyond me.

Personally, I look forward to the views and opinions of all the contributors to these forums and look forward to reading more.

Yeah, and with, more people in our forums is more probable that in some poster's city is raining rigth now. What a wate of time.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Buyers Bailing on Istock
« on: October 25, 2010, 19:23 »
Hi Freedom,

 No these people don't get to me anymore, why should they everyone is entitled to their opinion. I gave that up a while ago but thank you for the advice and the support. You cannot please all the people and when you are willing to share information there will always be people that disagree or worse. No worries.

Best,
Jonathan

That's not information, just speculation, maybe wishful thinking. Information has data and proof.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Buyers Bailing on Istock
« on: October 25, 2010, 06:33 »
... And so what, with "devolutions"? With more than 80,000 files licensed daily (one every second) is absolutely normal to have a little fraction of this figure returned, for a variety of reasons. Now and then I get the odd regular license returned; normally, to buy a different size, often bigger. I've sold a lot of ELs; not a single one returned. I've sold also a lot of Vettas: just one returned, "dind't fit customer's project". It's ok with me.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Is it in a book or what?
« on: October 24, 2010, 15:47 »
You can search by rating. I always do it when I'm looking por images to buy. Maybe you don't get the best photos, but you get very good photos.

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For what is worth, my earnings have been incresing, year after year, I surpassed whole 2009 earnings in the last days of September. Less downloads, yes, but more money. Prices and Vettas play a role here, so is understeable that some non-exclusives can't make it.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: iStock changing royalty structure
« on: October 20, 2010, 17:22 »
New mail from IS.  Learn all about collections.  They say "Agency Collection photos cost from 55 to 200 credits. "  XXXL images cost 250 credits but I guess that's not meant to mislead anyone, just a typo.  They also say vetta "cost between 30 and 125 credits. "  XXXL Vetta is 150, another typo?  They also say "Exclusive photos can cost between 2 and 25 credits"  not exactly an E+ XXXL costs 35 credits, maybe it's a typo too?


We'll see if anything (other than the thread getting locked) comes of it, but I posted something about the errors in the prices here. You have to wonder if anyone acts as an editor on these things or if they just write them and ship them out.


journalism and copy editing are lost arts it seems.



Well, following last year's patterns. Not so many downloads like last year, but more money. Having increments of 50 and 75 for Vettas compesates smaller lost downloads.

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Are you really uploading images there without knowing how much will you get per download??? (More if it's pressumed cents...)

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: iStock delaying PayPal til Friday
« on: October 12, 2010, 19:24 »

Being the fisrt time in six years I don't consider it more than an accident.

I am pretty sure this happened once before, but can't find any info on when (the istock forum search sucks - or maybe my searching skills do :) ).  Either that or I am recalling the PayPal maintenance that affected things, but I'm pretty sure there was a 'snafu' like this sometime back, but it was less than six years ago. I admit that I could actually be wrong.

Yes, there had benn a pair of short paypal mantenance problems, and some trouble back in 2008 when some people dind't see in the forums that there was a payment cut-off at Christmas holidays. That's all I can remember, payments have been coming always o'clock.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: iStock delaying PayPal til Friday
« on: October 12, 2010, 18:00 »

Being the fisrt time in six years I don't consider it more than an accident.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: iStock changing royalty structure
« on: October 10, 2010, 15:46 »
I'm not gong to ignore him, I don't believe in ignoring. But... 20.5 posts per day!!! (only macrosaur and Old Hippie got to these heights)

20.5 posts per day! Time to change subject and begin discussing neurosis and obssession.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Statistics shows IS is falling
« on: October 08, 2010, 19:34 »
" I registered yesterday, never seen this place before.. "

Oh yesss...

And "registering yesterday for the first time", never having been here before--- you know I've been crying and moaning?? Please, don't be so naive and obvious.

Finally having to get  my arguments and saying "It's you!", denotes you don't have any arguments. Children do that, but they are six or seven and can be excused.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Statistics shows IS is falling
« on: October 08, 2010, 19:03 »
It is always sad to see someone trying to put the blame of his failure on others. Shame on who? On the macrostock shooters that cut off assignement works? Deactivate, what? That's a personal decision based on financial figures.

Luckily, microstockers have learnt the hard way. With a few exceptions, we don't need the bigger studios, the latests expensive gadgets, five assistants, two stylists, two make up artists and one guy to change a lightbulb (just in case) to do a shooting. That implies lots of creativity. That implies to a way better capacity for reacting and adapting to changing situations... What others, years before, weren't able to do.... big and slow armies defeated by guerrillas, if yoy see what I mean.

And should everything fail, what I wouldn't to do is spending seven years in all available forum with all available nick moaning, crying and playing the prophet. I would consider suicide before adopting such clownish attitudes.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Statistics shows IS is falling
« on: October 08, 2010, 15:34 »
So far, Octuber is on par with a great September. But maybe it could (should) be better. Just beats Sept in Vettas.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: iStock changing royalty structure
« on: October 08, 2010, 12:49 »
I'm with 11 altogether, but I only upload regularly to 8 - all from the top and middle tier.  The other three were just small ones I tried out for a while, but didn't turn out to be worth my while.

... And that, the other microstock sites and the possibility of opening new ones, is the obvius, easily understable for any person with a brain, reason that makes impossible for Getty to eliminate the low cost market. To do that, Getty should operate in a vacuum. What gives these Agency files some visibility is their microstock contetx, never the images themselves. What istock is doing is pushing to a microstock-midstock concept, fishing now and then some bigger sale with files that, at macro, would have almost no visibility.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: iStock changing royalty structure
« on: October 08, 2010, 12:30 »
These agency files at these prices can't hurt microstock. Maybe Istock, if costumers flee in awe. But the truth is that ther are lots and lots of far better stuff in the plain microstock area. If the files we have seen is what macro has to offer to our customers... bufff

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So glad someone brought up the clubfest going down over yonder. Pom-poms and all (and the very words used therein - not mine!) ... it's ... difficult to stomach if you've just eaten and hope to keep a meal down. To say the least.

Really? What __ even now??? How much abuse, greed and worthless disregard does Istockphoto have to demonstrate to them before they realise they are being shafted?

Not that I want you to encourage them, but apparently more than has been dispensed thus far :)

I think that there are some people who have lots of Vetta files who find the the whole situation OK for them - they feel well taken care of and don't connect with the vast majority of the contributor pool (even the exclusive contributor pool). I'm putting words in their mouths, but I think they'd make a variation of the argument often voiced by many independents that as long as the $$ keeps going up, they won't fuss about changing royalty percentages, or subscriptions or anything else.

By the time Getty takes aim at them, they may look around for support in fighting back, but I doubt there'll be much.  

As we've seen, each time one of the agencies pulls off a cash crab - and unfortunately iStock isn't the first, just the latest and most spectacular to date - it emboldens the others. They then claim they have to stay competitive.

@Lisa - we've been contributors for roughly the same amount of time.  The only constant seems to be change :)

Looking for support is meaningless and useless, except for personal confort. Agencies don't listen, not just IS: All. If istock is able to improve my earnings with these changes, my hat will be off, and I will stay here. If not, probably not. It's my war, and the only thing that really matters, because economics are 100 times stronger than emotions, and one dent in earnings and so, a threat to basic income would force many exlusives to really rethink their exclusiveness. And just that, a runaway en masse could make change politics and decisions.

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Again "favoristim", when everybody can be or not be exclusive, at his own will. You make it sound as if were hand-picked. I'm sorry, what it makes me smile.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: iStock changing royalty structure
« on: September 29, 2010, 16:54 »
When talking of exclusives"  and "elite" it should be reminded that this status is not an istock election, but a free choice for anyone with 250 or 500 downloads. Have we exclusive some privileges? Yes, but  in exchange of not selling at 10 other sites. It's no a matter of "elite", it's a simple matter of choice.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: iStock changing royalty structure
« on: September 29, 2010, 16:49 »
Wow. It certainly is a seachange at iStock, with the contributors now saying the prices are too expensive. Fascinating.

http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=255972


Remember tnat 1-2-3 credits was unbearable for you, and that you asked scores (if not hundreds) of times that these prices were reduced (an so, potographer's earnings)

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