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Write to them and ask. They are a reputable agency and I'm sure they'll get back to you.

EDIT:
Just glanced through the old post with the list of microstock partner programs and found this:

11-16-12 - Added Agefotostock/Kalium/Potassium to Veer

So If you're with Veer that could be why your photos are there.

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DepositPhotos / Re: DepositPhotos login issue: anyone?
« on: January 21, 2014, 00:39 »
No problem logging in yesterday but I can't get the FTP upload to work, so slowly adding 5 at a time to my tiny port there. Just joined, made a couple of sales. I was using Firefox - have you tried using a different browser, or closing your browser and restarting it? Hope the bug is fixed for you.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Old aircraft property releases
« on: January 20, 2014, 23:21 »
Can you upload them as editorial?

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Shutterstock.com / Re: OFFSET opened doors
« on: January 20, 2014, 23:01 »
Just took a look through the posts for the past several months here and I think that the two links Scott shared of "Pizza on Offset" and "Pizza on Shutterstock" are really instructive regarding the type of work they are looking for and how it differs from what they are licensing on Shutterstock.

Given how well shutterstock is doing, I'd love to get into Offset, though the bar seems extremely high. I think their photos are terrific.

The thing I've learned in taking classes with magazine photo editors and licensing my own stock directly to them is that the types of photos we would not submit to most agencies for fear of rejections from the micros and even from sites such as Alamy (e.g. photos that are out of focus, poorly lit, etc) are often the types of photos that a magazine editor will love because they have a soul - a feeling they are looking for. In terms of storytelling, as someone who shoots assignments, I'm often working with less than ideal lighting, though I may bring in strobes when it's feasible, but I'm not doing a studio shoot - rather I'm shooting at a location and getting a whole range of things for the editor to look at because it needs to support the story. The best shots may not be technically perfect, but it's traditional photography where the content of the photo - how it makes you feel - is more important than the technical specifics. That's the difference.

I often feel that shooting stock, while it has made me a technically more proficient photographer, can have its downside, which is why I try to go out and shoot just for the love of photography sometimes - to shoot for myself, for the art of it, without thinking about how I can sell it. I think shooting for Offset would be somewhere between those two extremes, being freer on the one hand, but with a specific purpose in mind as you obviously want to give them photos that they can sell.


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Shutterstock.com / Re: How are sales going?- Shutterstock
« on: January 19, 2014, 18:17 »
According to my graph, I had a one-week dip in December with no new image sales, but my December stats show I actually sold at least one new image that I uploaded in November, nearly every day that week, so it seems like it could be a reporting glitch.

Interestingly, I usually have my data set to 3 months, but when I set it to a year, considering images uploaded in the past year as new, it tells a far more encouraging story as to how well my new images are selling. Funny how your definition of "new" can seriously impact the facts that you base your insights on, isn't it?


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Shutterstock.com / Re: How are sales going?- Shutterstock
« on: January 19, 2014, 04:02 »

The reality is that many long term contributors are not relying on older images to buoy their sales. They upload large numbers each month to no avail.

One recent short thread on SS http://tinyurl.com/kb3e9f4



Sometimes I'm actually amazed at how many sales I have considering how gigantic the database is but I find the exponential growth of that database to be quite troubling and I think the addition of millions of new images each year will become more and more problematic for all of us, new or old, large or small portfolios - how many pages of photos will a buyer look at? 

I'm sure SS and all the other agencies recognize that there is a downside to such a huge database notwithstanding the need for fresh images and they will probably continue to tweak the search engine to deal with this - that tweak is bound to have a negative effect on some and a positive effect on others. To ignore the consequences of that growth or the effects of search engine changes is to ignore reality - but there are so many other factors that are causing these swings and I think that just about everyone here is correct to some extent. More competition, more images fighting to show up on page 1, images becoming dated, algorithm changes that send your best sellers back so far that no one will ever see them, a huge influx of images from some top iS exclusives this year, a database that's so huge that only a small fraction of images for any one search term will show up, perhaps a search boost for newbies so their images have a fighting chance... it's not just one thing.

Some of those in the .38 tier are continuing to do well, and others are seeing sales tank - has the database gotten so huge that search rank is more like a lottery than a meritocracy? Who knows.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: How are sales going?- Shutterstock
« on: January 18, 2014, 16:29 »
I have no doubt that contributors with a larger percentage of older images got hurt more by the search change. I had an image that I shot in 2010 when I first started that had 1,600+ downloads. It was on the top of the search for "child." For almost three years, it generated 5-10 sales a day all by itself. They changed the search and it disappeared into the middle somewhere. So I can imagine that if you had a lot of images that were best sellers in that age range or older, then they lost popularity, which would naturally affect your sales to a large degree. Meanwhile, about two-thirds of my port is less than two years old. While I lost out on a couple of good sellers, the rest are holding up better because they're newer.

In that way, it's true that people on the 38 cent tier would more likely see their sales drop. But it's a secondary effect, not a targeted one. I believe Shutterstock operators in this case when they say their goal is to keep fresher imagery to the front, but I don't think they are bothered if that means they save some money by paying lower rates at the same time.

The real bad news is that it makes it really hard to build a portfolio and sustain sales because sooner or later a larger portion of your port will get old and your popular files will become less popular. I'm not sure how possible it is to keep enough fresh material in your port to maintain sales when you now have to compete with many more new files than ever before.

I'm on the top of the coaster now because of some lucky timing. That's all.

In stock, traditional and micro, from all I've read, images tend to last about 3-5 years as places, fashions, and trends change. Of course, there are images that are timeless and will sell for much longer, but search algorithms probably put a fair amount of emphasis on image age to keep things fresh, both so their buyers don't just see the same images all the time, and to take into consideration the fact that images will become dated. 

At the same time, the fact that new stuff isn't getting the same bump that it used to is probably helpful to long-term contributors so the files with proven track records don't get buried by new stuff that may never sell.

It's got to be a tough balancing act and I imagine that they tweak the algorithms to increase sales without considering whose files they are. Our commissions are so small, even magnified by thousands of contributors, that I doubt they really worry about whether the .25 newbies' or the .38 top contributors' photos show up at the top of the pile. They are making way more than we are with every license, so saving a few pennies per sale by deliberately giving unproven work by newbies who don't have a track record preference over those who do, really doesn't make sense in the long run. As tough as it is for those of us who've been with them a long time to see our new work move up, I imagine it's even harder for those who are new.

I have to think that part of the algorithm considers how many sales per photo each contributor has. I've only got 199 photos on SS, nearly a third of them added in 2013, but I've been there since 2010, and I get sales every day - and have done for a long time. My port is mostly travel, nature, and some backgrounds and concepts - not traditional big sellers. So I have to think that there's something in the algorithm that is helping my photos get seen out of the 32 million on there. Several of my images show up on the first row for searches, so the fact that I average about 20 sales per photo (adjusted over time) has to be part of the mix, I'd guess. Your analysis, based on a much larger and more successful portfolio, seems to bear that out.

It must be great to have an image that sells so often, but, like having one agency account for 80% of your sales, having one image account for a huge percentage of sales can be scary if that image starts to lose popularity but with all your new content you've clearly hedged your bets.  Though it's tougher now for new images to find their audience, I think the best stuff will still rise to the top, although there are bound to be some good images that get lost in the incredibly huge crowd and never find their way out. 

Enough armchair analysis. Heading into NYC to have some fun - hope everyone is having a great weekend.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: How are sales going?- Shutterstock
« on: January 18, 2014, 15:15 »
Glad to hear many at the .38 level are continuing to grow.

On the up side, an image I had approved last week just sold again - and on a Saturday - so that's a good sign- 4 sales on a Saturday for me is good. Only subs - but at least now it's in the mix. (Sad how many sales we need to afford to buy a cup of coffee - wish the top level was a lot more than .38 - with my tiny port I'm hoping to make .36 this year - hard to work up a lot of enthusiasm for that "raise.") But SS is a a decent earner for me w/ my tiny port (microstock photography is a small part of my photo income, so "decent earner" is a relative term - I also do assignments, sell prints via galleries & POD, work with a few trad agencies, and license stock photos directly- and half my income comes from freelance writing).

I think that licensing photos directly (whether via symbiostock or your own site, and/or via direct contact with publishers) is really an important component in the mix of how to license your stock photos. For me, since I'm licensing photos directly for prices generally between $60-$450 a photo (some RF, some RM), I have a lot of photos that I can't put on the micros and so I've kept my micro portfolio deliberately small, hence I've been at .33 forever. MY RPD at shutterstock is awful, but the RPI is excellent, and that's the metric that really counts.

With my best-selling photo at SS having earned me around $350, I do see how the tiny payments (and a couple of ELs) add up there and that photo sold again a few times this week, so all the remixes of search algorithms seem to have evened out. My best-sellers disappeared for a while but now they're doing well.

I think that shutterstock is a strong company that knows how to make money and hopefully we'll continue to earn along with them.  Of course I wish we'd get a bigger piece of the pie and that they'd raise prices. Remember that Monday is a National Holiday here in the US celebrating the life of Martin Luther King so sales may be slower until Tuesday. For those in the US, enjoy the long weekend!


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Adobe Stock / Re: Fotolia Launches Dollar Photo Club?
« on: January 18, 2014, 02:05 »
I didn't want to delay and just sent them a message requesting that they close my account. No financial consequences really since I was making so little there, but I feel good that I did it.

I want out of their "exclusive" club!  8)

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Adobe Stock / Re: Fotolia Launches Dollar Photo Club?
« on: January 18, 2014, 01:56 »
I was going to close my account when I got a payout a few months back - I've never had more than about 50 photos at Fotolia and deleted many of them ages ago, leaving a few up to keep the account open, so I could reach the payout - sales there have been so dismal and though I haven't allowed ELs on most of my images there in ages, I hate that I get around $4 for what other sites at least charge as an EL - my best seller there shows up right in the top row on the new dollar club when I do a search for that location - time to close it down. The payout fee will probably be equivalent to what I've earned since the last payout. No loss there. This new concept will only help the ship sink faster. Pimping my images for a $1 for a $50 payout really sickens me the more I think about it.  Thanks for bringing this to our attention.

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Alamy.com / Re: Alamy Refund Policy - Totally Unacceptable
« on: January 17, 2014, 16:41 »
Easier to tell today if it's been used than in the past since things can be found online - though I know at least back in 2009-2011 the folks at Alamy would be looking through magazines to see if images had been used. Trust can be abused but without it you'd have no customer relations. Alamy is still very different than the micros - people can call up Alamy, have them do searches for them, their clients buy fewer licenses for generally higher prices and most of them are buyers who are used to the traditional RM system.

We trust the agencies to tell us how many times they've licensed our photos and how much we've earned from it. Are they more trustworthy than Alamy's clients?

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Shutterstock.com / Re: How does the payout work?
« on: January 17, 2014, 16:31 »
The payout threshold is actually set to $100 by default. You need to click on your name in the upper right hand corner of the page, scroll down to "Your Account" and change the Minimum Payout amount to $75. Then you will find the money in your account the first week of the month following the month in which you hit the Minimum Amount. SS pays monthly - automatically  - and on time. Congrats on making your first payout!

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Alamy.com / Re: Find a Photographer
« on: January 17, 2014, 16:25 »
I'm in the New York area, so if you're somewhere with less competition, hope it works out for you. I "qualified" back when they first started it (I think you needed 10 sales then) - maybe in 2009? but haven't had any assignments yet - it's a nice idea but not sure how much interest it has generated. I'd imagine if you're in some remote area it might prove beneficial. Best of luck!

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Shutterstock.com / Re: How are sales going?- Shutterstock
« on: January 17, 2014, 16:16 »
Sales of new images now make up 20% of my sales revenue for the last 6 months (vs 5% which seemed to be the case most of last year), though with my small portfolio not sure that a 5% uptick is statistically significant. I get about 60 sales a month (I have <200 files*). My volume of sales is pretty steady generally 55-70 a month and has been like that for the past year, but the mix of ELs, SODs, etc change which accounts for the revenue fluctuations. Sales of new images generally trending up since mid October - though still some weeks with no new image sales.

Sales volume has actually picked up for me this week, as have OD sales, but no ELs or SODs, so my revenue per download is lower than normal, but I'm hopeful that will change.

*I actually have 199 files there now - 2 backgrounds I uploaded yesterday were already approved. And they are under review at DT too - fast review times this week.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Account...gone!?
« on: January 17, 2014, 16:00 »
Mine's fine. Hope yours returns shortly!

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Cameras / Lenses / Re: Kodak is back!
« on: January 17, 2014, 15:57 »
I heard somewhere that someone from Kodak actually developed the first digital camera - but then Kodak didn't move forward with it fearing the effect on film. Pretty scary how technology can completely change the game if you don't find a way to quickly adapt. . .

My first camera was an old Kodak brownie that my grandmother gave me when I was 6! Kodak was a very important part of the photo world for more than a century - it was a sad day when they made the last Kodachrome.

I can't see the point in making point and shoots for the consumer market at this point either ... seems like a huge recipe for financial disaster.

LOL ... random thoughts ... Since November, I've been trying to organize all of my 80,000 or so photos taken since I went digital in 2006 into one master catalog on a 4TB drive - with backups spread across several drives - and feeling a bit overwhelmed, to put it mildly!  If I was limited to a couple of rolls of film every time I went out, the task would not be so daunting!

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Shutterstock.com / Re: How are sales going?- Shutterstock
« on: January 17, 2014, 01:18 »
Total volume looking to be normal for me, though heavier on the subs than usual, so earnings are on the low end of normal, and I doubt they'll top Jan 2013, which was my 2d BME and my BMY. 

With half the month and almost the entire year ahead, however, it's a bit early for prognostication (IMHO)  8)

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February was my worst month in 2013. In 2012 March was the worst - so definitely some sort of winter slump going on for me. It's the same whether I just count micro sites or count my traditional licenses too. September and November have tended to be my best months over the last few years - a nice pick me up heading into the end of the year. Probably because by then I've added a lot of new photos to my portfolio as I tend to do a huge percentage of my shooting over the summer when it is warm and sunny here on the east coast of the US - my portfolio is heavily travel and nature, with some Christmas and New Year's holiday images thrown in. Very unscientific.

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Alamy.com / Re: Alamy Refund Policy - Totally Unacceptable
« on: January 17, 2014, 00:25 »
Bunhill's publishing experience jives with my own. I deal with publications a lot and they often need photos and written copy many months in advance. Often, the contract will include a negotiated price for a "kill fee" if the story doesn't move forward - but this is generally for assignment work - which is not the same as stock. The point is, even in that case you can do a lot of work - work that often can't be sold elsewhere - and end up getting less than you anticipated. The world of book and magazine publishing is run very differently than the world of small business buyers licensing photos for their websites for pennies on the dollar - and as Sue said, it's more likely that the refunds will be on the higher cost images because the client has more to lose. It's to Alamy's advantage to keep their customers happy and we can't fault them for that, even if losing the license profits are a big disappointment.

I had a return the first week in January last year, after the sale in December - of an image sold for over $250.00 - I contacted Alamy and they said the project was scrapped. I was bummed and angry - but just in general -  it wasn't a great way to start off the year but it wasn't Alamy's fault. Prices may be down, but Alamy is still a traditional agency dealing primarily with traditional buyers such as magazines and book publishers.

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DepositPhotos / Re: Upload all at once or over time?
« on: January 11, 2014, 22:53 »
Thanks.

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Computer Hardware / Re: Which PC or MAC would you buy "now"?
« on: January 11, 2014, 22:49 »
I agree - iMac is terrific for image editing. Powerful, fast and great screen. Mine has dual hard drives. SSD (Solid state drive) with all my programs on it and a regular 1TB drive for my photos. Highly recommend it.

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DepositPhotos / Upload all at once or over time?
« on: January 10, 2014, 13:12 »
I just applied to depositphotos in late December, was accepted and starting to get some sub sales on my initial images. I thought it made sense to give them a try since you can upload your portfolio at once via FTP and it sounds like they take care of categories for you. All my images have the ITPC data in them so I'm figuring it should be easy and was about to do that when I read a thread by someone new to dreamstime, who was cautioned not to upload all at once as it could make their portfolio sink all at once.

I have a small micro portfolio so would probably only be uploading 200 photos at once (the number some of you may upload in a week, I know).

Would appreciate your advice. Obviously a large upload via FTP will save me a lot of time and get me a decent size port there fast, but it'll be useless if it all sinks. I appreciate any thoughts/advice. Thanks!  8)

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Dreamstime.com / Re: New to DT, question about sales
« on: January 10, 2014, 13:00 »
I've found the last quarter sales have been very strong with a BME for me in October and some nice credit sales this month (though many sub sales of my Level 4 & 5s too). Despite the uptick in sub sales and fewer credit sales, my income there has climbed steadily. I did get an annoying rejection of a city skyline with many buildings taken from a public street for "potential trademark violations" which shows the reviewer's lack of understanding today, but on balance DT has been a good site to deal with and sales continue to grow steadily. Notwithstanding a dismal 2nd quarter last year, income was up 77% in 2013 over 2012, with a portfolio increase of only 30%.

I also like the fact that you can choose to make some files exclusive - I've done that with a few I felt were good after they were rejected by other sites, and some of those have earned me over $100 each. Granted, my top seller at shutterstock has earned me just under $350 there, and SS earns me about 30% more than DT overall, but I find DT to be a very strong second place micro site. I'd give them a chance.

I have a small port there (under 200 photos) and built it up quite slowly (I have 3.54 DLs average per image) and my photos do well in searches despite it being so small, so the advice not to add all your photos at once may be sound.

I just applied to depositphotos and was going to add most of my micro port via FTP at once, wondering now if that's a bad idea?

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Does this help anything?  8)  The Bigstock Collection category contains 13,540 items

http://www.allposters.com/-st/Bigstock-Collection-Posters_c193405_.htm?WT.cg_n=Search+Ahead&SSK=bigstock%20collection

And this:
Your search for 'shutterstock' did not return any results.
(nor did Fotolia, 123RF, Dreamstime, or iStock)


So, as I surmised, they could be licensed from Bigstock. Unlike SS, Bigstock gives you the option of allowing or refusing to allow your photos to be licensed as prints for reproduction. If you have photos that you are selling as prints yourself, best to not allow them to be licensed that way if you're concerned allposters and art.com are competing with you.

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Did a quick online search and it appears that Art.com merged with allposters.com in 2005 and that they are not owned by SS or Getty:

From their corporate website:

"Art.com Inc. runs five sites in the USAArt.com, AllPosters.com, ArtistRising.com, PosterRevolution.com and Zenfolioand has a strong international presence with 25 local sites in Europe, Japan, Canada, Australia, Mexico and South America. "

Here's their site: http://corporate.art.com/aboutus/default.asp

If you've permitted the licensing of your photos as prints for resale on bigstock or other sites, that may be why you're seeing your work there. They probably have licensed it.

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