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976
« on: March 06, 2017, 10:50 »
... it can be a good side revenue as in my case. rely only in micro it's impossible apart living in some country like ukraine russia poland or thailand...with cheap cost of production and plenty of models available for penny. in western world forget.
 Lol... Tell me, please, what cost of living in Poland do you expect to make, I mean normal living? Base costs, not including models or travel tickets... How many $ would be enough for you, let's say in Warsaw?
cheap if you come from western world. or you think that polish photographer like to shoot much more than western....i travel as photographer...i slept in krakow one months in a modern apartment paying 22 euro day for example...food is dirty cheap...try to sleep in a modern apartment in paris...or rent a studio in warsaw and in paris. i not even talk about ukraine and some part of russia. you know the girl who clean my grandma apartment is from poland....and there are thousand...casue in poland they earn much much less. poland is not only warsaw, and many micro come from smaller cities.
977
« on: March 06, 2017, 08:59 »
im also new to stock photography and looks like it will be a tough journey to my target of 5000usd/month. i dont know how long will it take but i'll try. i am trying to understand what is needed and what can i offer best and what my workflow should be to be effective etc..
5000 dollar month? good luck.
Lol if you gonna do this as a full time job you have to earn that money otherwise its not more than a hobby.
I have some friends making 8-13 grand/mont.
micro stock is a hobby. for some 100 contributor maybe a job but mostly is made of amateur or hobbyist. the quality reflects this and it will be always worst cause nobody pro will invest money in a losing game.
978
« on: March 06, 2017, 08:57 »
im also new to stock photography and looks like it will be a tough journey to my target of 5000usd/month. i dont know how long will it take but i'll try. i am trying to understand what is needed and what can i offer best and what my workflow should be to be effective etc..
5000 dollar month? good luck.
Lol if you gonna do this as a full time job you have to earn that money otherwise its not more than a hobby.
I have some friends making 8-13 grand/mont.
to earn 5000 net you need at least 9000 gross( considering you have zero expenses)....108000 dollar year...leaving aside the SOD sale...only with sub you need near 400000 download...not even yuri in the first year with zero competition manage to do this....right now you need a 1000 download month. starting from scratches it'0s impossible. the search engine are so *removed coarse language* up you really need time to see files, there is 100 million file and growing..thousand of contributor at the door. you can live off photography but in many field diversifying and with talents and creativity. but microsotck is really over. it can be a good side revenue as in my case. rely only in micro it's impossible apart living in some country like ukraine russia poland or thailand...with cheap cost of production and plenty of models available for penny. in western world forget.
979
« on: March 06, 2017, 08:52 »
im also new to stock photography and looks like it will be a tough journey to my target of 5000usd/month. i dont know how long will it take but i'll try. i am trying to understand what is needed and what can i offer best and what my workflow should be to be effective etc..
5000 dollar month? good luck.
Lol if you gonna do this as a full time job you have to earn that money otherwise its not more than a hobby.
I have some friends making 8-13 grand/mont.
8 13? yes big productuinb company with big portfolio like 20 30 k of super lifestyle maybe,,or video. i bet everything you want the to earn more than 5000 a month are probably less than 50 micro stocker in the world. i see my position in fotolia ranking and my earning per month...so i have an idea of this. maybe video is more lucrative, but again those who earn a loto spend also a lot to produce video. and this will be even worst year after year with increasing contributor and millions of file every months added.
980
« on: March 05, 2017, 18:08 »
im also new to stock photography and looks like it will be a tough journey to my target of 5000usd/month. i dont know how long will it take but i'll try. i am trying to understand what is needed and what can i offer best and what my workflow should be to be effective etc..
5000 dollar month? good luck.
981
« on: March 01, 2017, 14:01 »
Correct. I wonder how many people complaining that every subject has been covered have ever tried to shop for stock images. I struggle every time. The problem is that only generic stuff has any chance of making sales in enough volume to be profitable for the photographer or illustrator. There's a big chunk of the market not being served.
i agree. i make mostly travel in micro and macro. what surprises me is de fat the in micro for any destination 99% are just landmark. because most of micro are hobbits who travel in most common countries
982
« on: March 01, 2017, 13:59 »
One of my client today asked me to select few images from shutterstock, he gave me the topic but when I started to search, I found maximum images are just crap.
I searched over 150 newest pages and nearly 80% of the content is useless. There are few users who are uploading thousands of similar style images just covering the whole search making it difficult to find the good content.
Edit: I must say 90% item is useless.. still working to get the good collection
i completely agree...in my opinion if somebody makes a serious agency with old style quality, much less content, super search engine and tight tolerances of keyword, it wil be a bang right now.
983
« on: February 27, 2017, 06:37 »
My post was 100% SARCASM my friend.
I know!,, and i explain u wrong.
984
« on: February 27, 2017, 06:37 »
If that were the case why not other countries like Vietnam, Cambodia, Burma, India, China, Peru, Chile and so on.
To have so many stuffed in to a single small country is beyond odd.
"Single small country"... Thailand has 67+ million people (2013). That's more than the UK, France, Italy, Spain etc.
Thailand isn't dirt poor and there are enough people who own DSLRs compared to the average wage. Culture also comes to play. It may have just the right balance between being developed and cheap living.
Another important thing to consider is that Thailand (Chiang Mai more specifically) is the digital nomad center of the world, meaning people come from all over the world to live there and work online. I wouldn't be surprised if a big percentage of them do stock photography to some extent.
U are simply confirmi g what we are sayianag....microstock is possible only living in cheap country. In chiang mai you caneasily live with 30 dollar day if u not look for a fancy life. Same in kiev. In part of russia also possible bu more difficult. Russia is more a love affair with photography wide spread and availability of beautiful girl easy to shoot for nothing. Poland is another country where cost of life is muchcheaper like in romania. Yesterday i was in france ...i have house just relax walk around and went to normal restaurant. Alone. 4 days. I spend 450 euro doing nothing fancy.
985
« on: February 27, 2017, 06:30 »
True! but the overwhelming majority are in countries like Russia, ukraine Rumania and Poland.
Also very strange that the tiny little country of Russia with billions of well-paying jobs has a lot of people searching for ways to make a living online...
Russia is in complete economic crisis...the ruble is worth 1/3 compared to some years ago...and billions of work are available in moscow well paid...try go some siberia medium city for example. You will see that billions of well paid jobs non exist and people earn few dollars. Most of producers coming from there.
986
« on: February 26, 2017, 18:11 »
Yet its quite amazing since I read somewhere that around 90% have less then 1000 files in the portfolio. So whos got them all?
Africa Studio over 1million images
http://www.microstock.top/indeximg.phtml?sort=portfolio
ukraine russia and thailand account for more than 50 pages...near 40 % and probably much more than 50 millions file...with ukraine with a lot of people producing cheap content in thousand.
as i already told this is the biggest problem.
True! and this has been going on for some time now. Its incredible really but in these countries it dont take many dollars a day to live the good life so SS will nurse them well and in return they will upload millions of files.
Very hard if not impossible for us to compete since our living and expenses are far higher.
More to the point there is a suspiciously high number of image producers from Thailand Russia and the Ukraine.
I would really be asking myself why? if I were SS or any other agency.
I've reported at least one very high quantity contributor from Thailand months ago to SS becaase they quite clearly have two accounts producing identical backgrounds.
SS never did anything about it.
ss don't give nothing...theuy earn money they only care of this...personally i'd like see an agency ike crestock to be better positioned. less content, but better and good price.
987
« on: February 26, 2017, 18:10 »
Yet its quite amazing since I read somewhere that around 90% have less then 1000 files in the portfolio. So whos got them all?
Africa Studio over 1million images
http://www.microstock.top/indeximg.phtml?sort=portfolio
ukraine russia and thailand account for more than 50 pages...near 40 % and probably much more than 50 millions file...with ukraine with a lot of people producing cheap content in thousand.
as i already told this is the biggest problem.
True! and this has been going on for some time now. Its incredible really but in these countries it dont take many dollars a day to live the good life so SS will nurse them well and in return they will upload millions of files.
Very hard if not impossible for us to compete since our living and expenses are far higher.
More to the point there is a suspiciously high number of image producers from Thailand Russia and the Ukraine.
I would really be asking myself why? if I were SS or any other agency.
I've reported at least one very high quantity contributor from Thailand months ago to SS becaase they quite clearly have two accounts producing identical backgrounds.
SS never did anything about it.
in the case of africa is also thinkable that the owner is just a business man who employs 10 20 photographer paid monthly, to produce content. clearly there are many people working in micro cause in these countries, russia less but still in many part of russia the level of salary is far behind western standard, the salary for work are so low that even earning few dollars in micro will be a better choice. that's why there are so many full time micro stocker, while in western world most are hobbit or amateur with small portfolio. anyway considering they upload mostly same stuff, there will be a point that even them will not earn so much for living.
988
« on: February 25, 2017, 18:39 »
Yet its quite amazing since I read somewhere that around 90% have less then 1000 files in the portfolio. So whos got them all?
Africa Studio over 1million images
http://www.microstock.top/indeximg.phtml?sort=portfolio
ukraine russia and thailand account for more than 50 pages...near 40 % and probably much more than 50 millions file...with ukraine with a lot of people producing cheap content in thousand. as i already told this is the biggest problem.
989
« on: February 25, 2017, 17:05 »
the problem is you can't keep up with those guys if you not move there.
lol, so true! i know a bloke who lives like that, and he says, life is cheaper with the money
from UK where he lives, and over in the "3rd world", he gets to live like he has money to burn
and.. quote: he gets the gals chasing after him, thinking he's a loaded dude from UK!".
go where the girls are lovely, .. and even get them to pose for you
... was it not yuri at the beginning he was from eastern europe too , no??..
he had the best looking eastern euro girils working for him???
no yuri was from denmark...i remember...but well its like this..i hope i will not spreading this and see thousand of micro stocker this summer in moscow..axaxaa....
990
« on: February 25, 2017, 17:02 »
The entrance barrier in this field is simply too low, and that is the problem.
True, but the way out is easy to find too: most new contributors give up once they realise it's a lot of work for very little return, at least in the beginning.
this is not true.. look how many easter country contributor have more than 10 k images in less than a year or two....they have not great choices and in many country eve 500 600 dollar are more than normal job...so they can easily live with 700 800 dollar....not a luxury life but they can earn more than normal job...so for them is better wait and submit a lot because anyway working normally they will earn less than micro stock....and in addiction they earn in dollar that's a great plus, cause most of currency are weak against dollar right now. i think we will seen the next year much much more contributors coming from serbia russia ukraine.
991
« on: February 25, 2017, 16:58 »
Yes, people from lower income countries are doing well, but most buyers are from western Euriope, Australia, and North America.
I recently had a conversation with a person in charge of content for a major agency and they said that for many concepts, they lack regionally accurate images. The kind of stuff that cant be faked in other countries. So the agencies are starting to feel the results of having such over abundance of images from places that don't have the buyers. Maybe one day they'll figure out if they want images accurate for Western buyers, they need to pay royalties appropriate for Western contributors.
i completely agree. that's great point. you see this especially with faces....while girl from soviet country are often amazing their feature are typical of their country far from western world, the men are even more different for western men
992
« on: February 25, 2017, 07:28 »
They rejiggered the search again...my best sellers have been pushed back from the top of page one to the middle of page two, and page one is stuff from newbies. Our fearless CEO is under pressure to get the stock price up to $80/share, and I suspect they're trying to show an increase in profits by paying out lower royalties.
I have to go back to 2014 to see a February this low.
my february is better than last year but i have my portfolio bigger 60 % with more micro stock oriented content...i'm near january earning with 5 days left...but i expected much much more...at least doubling january.
today appalling 9 download. this month mostly subs, zero enhanced.
Not finished at all then.....your forecast for next year is out by a factor of about three things may be bad but not that bad...if you really believe that why haven't you stopped uploading.......
" stop uploading" youre right that would work but you have the Russians and all neighbouring countries where $.10 a day goes a long way and they are uploading in millions and millions. Soon they will be the only contributors left and thats probably enough for a few years.
axaxxaxa don't talk me about this...i already wrote in spades about the advent of masses of contributor from eastern countries. yesterday i was checking the world FOOd: 10 millions images...if you search for top view food most of the photos come from russia and ukraine...copy of copy...they copy each other... the problem is you can't keep up with those guys if you not move there. i spend most of year in one country of these for example.. right now salary for a shop assistant is near 150 dollar....only those working in IT or multinational company earn decent money...the rest from 100 to 500 , i mean the younger with no family business....you understand that even 3 400 dollar earned uploading zillions of same images of bread salad tomato or the nice girlfriend smiling in park can make a difference for them but for you and me 300 dollar means starving. and wait when the african and south american waves will hit micro stock.
993
« on: February 25, 2017, 07:23 »
They rejiggered the search again...my best sellers have been pushed back from the top of page one to the middle of page two, and page one is stuff from newbies. Our fearless CEO is under pressure to get the stock price up to $80/share, and I suspect they're trying to show an increase in profits by paying out lower royalties.
I have to go back to 2014 to see a February this low.
my february is better than last year but i have my portfolio bigger 60 % with more micro stock oriented content...i'm near january earning with 5 days left...but i expected much much more...at least doubling january.
today appalling 9 download. this month mostly subs, zero enhanced.
Not finished at all then.....your forecast for next year is out by a factor of about three things may be bad but not that bad...if you really believe that why haven't you stopped uploading.......
is not my primary income I'm getting good money but uploading a lot and plan to upload all garbage i have in hard disk and work next three months with model to build up a solid portfolio as primary income is struggle to see 5 6 k euro months earned right now...maybw when my portfolio will be bigger yes. it helps keep working in those moment i not have assignment or working on project. but it's definitely a falling industry for people who upload. and expect much much more contributors uploading for third world country soon.
994
« on: February 24, 2017, 20:01 »
the statement is the best part of all the story....after i read 0,02 cent commission...ubelievable...photography and micro stock is worth less than beggars asking money at the corner of the street...they earn more in a day....
as already told i wish the getty management to spend all money they have earned in heavy treatment for disease.
995
« on: February 24, 2017, 15:17 »
They rejiggered the search again...my best sellers have been pushed back from the top of page one to the middle of page two, and page one is stuff from newbies. Our fearless CEO is under pressure to get the stock price up to $80/share, and I suspect they're trying to show an increase in profits by paying out lower royalties.
I have to go back to 2014 to see a February this low.
my february is better than last year but i have my portfolio bigger 60 % with more micro stock oriented content...i'm near january earning with 5 days left...but i expected much much more...at least doubling january. today appalling 9 download. this month mostly subs, zero enhanced.
996
« on: February 24, 2017, 15:15 »
They rejiggered the search again...my best sellers have been pushed back from the top of page one to the middle of page two, and page one is stuff from newbies. Our fearless CEO is under pressure to get the stock price up to $80/share, and I suspect they're trying to show an increase in profits by paying out lower royalties.
I have to go back to 2014 to see a February this low.
I wondered what went crazy today. I noticed the problem with the map and assumed that the stats would actually catch up but I guess my measly 15 downloads for the day is actually correct?
I know it's big business, and the little people don't matter, but don't they realise how much they are playing with peoples lives? I have to look back to 2011 to see a February this low, and I'm so depressed I can't put into words how bad I feel over all this.
Please Shutterstock, have a heart - you are killing us here.
micro stock is finished. you can keep up uploading a lot just to have some dollars...but people who only do this for living better find a plan soon...next year will see 200 300 million images per year...thousand of contributor more. photography have many opportunity apart micro the problem if you have the plan to catch them... this month i went from very low position in fotolia to the first 500....considering my week earning i was surprised to be into the first 500 earners. i understood that even working hard and uploading as hell you cant leave with micro .
997
« on: February 24, 2017, 09:10 »
Really but getty manager see those report?
Unbelievable not even bigstock...biggest sale 1,2 dolar...nothing bigger...most 0,28 some 0,2...
Ag least dreamstime sometimes is dead bit yesterday i sold 25 dollar...many 3 4,....ss the same..fotlia sometimes 2,5.... Istock is appalling...hundreds of file sold at months and i cannot even buy a pair of levis...i wont upload any content just keeep the files i have.
998
« on: February 24, 2017, 08:57 »
Nice but so you can see all those 2 cwnt 4 cent and go on...really they are not ashamed?
They cur royalty mine of probably 50 % and i not see any improvement in sale...to earn 500 dollar non esclusive you really need waht? 5000 download months....
I hope the getty manager and owner will spend all money earned abusing us photographer in medicines and hospital day.
999
« on: February 20, 2017, 12:30 »
the agency clearly has trouble, many,. is falling down literally, i suspect in few times a good candidate for closing.
1000
« on: February 17, 2017, 10:29 »
nothing sell...upload good batch of 500 this month nothing moved....12 download for 4 dollar...i will not upload anything to this site anymore till i see a recovery...worst than can stock...they have an appalling research algorithm who favorite only old ugly file...thats why u see many old contributor with terrible images still selling much better than more skilled contributor.
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