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« on: May 09, 2014, 10:07 »
Not quite 'niche' but not common subjects either.
Than that's probably the answer. And a smart marketing tactic, too.
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« on: May 08, 2014, 21:04 »
Well I can't really argue with any of that. And yet, I've made several sales on FAA in my first year, with about 200 photos, relying only on keyword search. I have no marketing of my own.
And I am glad you have (made sales). Neither can I explain why. Is it possible your keywords and images were "niche?" I don't know who you are nor what art you sold, so I cannot say. However, it is obvious you have had keywording success so I would certainly continue that. However, this post and subject has strayed from the OP topic which was crated. I don't want to to that. However, this forum is interesting and if there are any good FAA threads on it I would appreciate links. I would be very interested. Especially considering the fact that for the first time in the two years I have been on FAA, they are censoring threads about a competitor: crated. I've never seen FAA do this before and find it all very interesting. Regards, - dan
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« on: May 08, 2014, 20:57 »
Are you afraid you will post mis-information? If so, you don't really understand after all,
I do not do stock, but was led here from another forum because of the subject matter: crated. So I am new to this forum. However, I am not new to forums and as such, learned long ago how to identify (and ignore) somewhat pathetic and obvious attempts to troll. If you don't get it, you don't get it. Not much I can do to help. You have an actual Crated representative active in this thread (Stephen) - he's actually a principal at crated. If you have any questions about any aspect of crated, I suggest you ask him. He may choose to answer you, he may not.
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« on: May 08, 2014, 18:26 »
Well, not really the 'only' difference. On FAA I'm guaranteed to show up in search, somewhere. If I have something unusual, with the right keywords, it might get seen even without previous sales. Crated is all or nothing.
Two points: "On FAA I'm guaranteed to show up in search, somewhere" Technically, yes. But for any useful purpose, no. User behavior is well-known. Some may go back to page 2 or 3 of results, some may even go as far as 7 or 9. But if your "...show up in search..." is on page 20 - no. For all intents and purposes you're not there. And on FAA this point is amplified. Do a search there of almost any common search phrase and you will see. Results are voluminous, making a "...show up in search..." that much more meaningless. It is very easy to get buried on FAA and never seen. Which is why their intent is to do the best they can to automatically move the best to front, other stuff to the back. "Crated is all or nothing" - correct. For one simple reason: Crated's methodology - manual culling - is far more accurate that FAA's. Yes, subject to the personal preferences of the (Crated) person evaluating the work, but even considering that it is much more accurate. And that accuracy may translate to success. Not to mention, of course, all in this subject is a moot point. It is well known on FAA artists are told not to rely on the search engine there at all - to market themselves externally. Which is nothing different than being on Crated, but not in the search where you are told to market externally, bring users back for the purchase. Same thing.
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« on: May 08, 2014, 16:23 »
Crated is an 'art' site. Those of use used to microstock and FAA (which is not an 'art' site) can't wrap our heads around what is probably an all-too-familiar process for artists that try to sell through galleries.
I'll have to disagree with this. I do not do any stock, but I am on FAA and have been there for two years. I can wrap my head around crated just fine. And I fully understand their marketing concept, the curation process and its intent. But if you're going to ask to explain it, please don't. That is up to Stephen if he wishes to. Edit: actually, in thinking about it I would add this: FAA also (in essence) curates their art. In search results, they give weighted return results to art that has sold, the number of favorites, comments, features, and so forth. In other words, they try to influence search results bringing the more popular pictures to the top. The only difference between that and Crated is that Crated is doing in manually. I am not saying I agree or disagree with either, nor promote either. I am simply saying it is easily understandable. It's basically simple: both FAA and Crated curate art. FAA does it by influencing or biasing search results, Crated does it manually.
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« on: May 08, 2014, 15:52 »
Thank you for creating this thread. Good idea. Here's mine: https://crated.com/Fine-ArtSorta' low on time now, but I'll be uploading more later. Regards, - Dan Edit: How do I get rid of the NoFollow tag on my link?
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« on: May 08, 2014, 15:38 »
"Maybe I missed it but are artists notified if they don't pass the initial curation review? If not, how would we know that the review even took place?" LOL
LOL ! Me, too! (Help! This merry-go-round keeps going around and around and it won't stop and I can't get off! Aaaarrrrggggg!) Stephen, Perhaps it might be helpful to create a "stickie" blog article or make a relevant FAQ addition on the crated site with similar questions and answers that repeat, then you can simply link to it from the thread. Regards, - Dan P.S. I'm tellin' you my friend, you ain't seen nuthin' yet. Wait until the gates open! When the public site opens, I would consider explaining the curation process on the Create an Account page, in the Welcome / Verify email, and again on the site blog and FAQ to boot. 
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« on: May 08, 2014, 09:48 »
Yes, but as Stephen replied previously, yours may have been grabbed by a spam / junk filter. Ok has anyone posting here actually received an "acceptance" email? The real one, that says your images will show up in search?
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« on: May 08, 2014, 09:19 »
Thank you, Stephen. Good to know. One final question: Any specific POD (competitors) you are going after? (Hey!... It never hurts to ask!). - Dan My apologies. I should have been more clear:
All uploads are now going into a single gallery. When the feature to create different / various galleries is added, will we be able to move images from the single gallery they are now in to the new galleries we create, or will the new galleries we create only be populated by uploads directly to the gallery? Hope that made sense.
On the other hand, what you said below is interesting.
You are going live in a couple of weeks, but below state the ability to create galleries will be available in "coming months."
Does this mean that upon going live we will continue to upload all images into a single gallery and that categorization into different galleries will not be available for weeks / months?
Regards,
-Dan
Hey Dan,
You will be able to populate the sub set/categories with previous uploads when that feature is available.
Yes the feature for organizing images into set/categories (like Flickr has) is being worked on but is still a little ways out.
Cheers,
Steve
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« on: May 08, 2014, 09:02 »
My apologies. I should have been more clear: All uploads are now going into a single gallery. When the feature to create different / various galleries is added, will we be able to move images from the single gallery they are now in to the new galleries we create, or will the new galleries we create only be populated by uploads directly to the gallery? Hope that made sense. On the other hand, what you said below is interesting. You are going live in a couple of weeks, but below state the ability to create galleries will be available in "coming months." Does this mean that upon going live we will continue to upload all images into a single gallery and that categorization into different galleries will not be available for weeks / months? Regards, -Dan Stephen S,
I have a few questions. Perhaps best to do them one per post.
Question:
Regarding the addition of the named gallery feature.
When available, will we be able to move images from one gallery to another? And especially, from the one gallery images are now uploaded to.
I think this a valid question at this point because it would be frustrating to upload 500 images now only to learn they cannot be moved, and need to be uploaded again.
Thanks,
- dan
Hey Dan,
If by 'move' you mean the ability to organize your gallery into sub sets/categories, we are definitely working on that and it should be available in the coming months.
If you mean transferring uploads to an entirely new account, it's something we could maybe be manually since I don't see this coming up often.
If you mean rearranging the positioning in your galley, we have a basic tool for that now, it's cumbersome so we are improving it as we speak. If you click the 'rearrange art' tab under 'My Art' in the dashboard you can move them around. This tool will soon be drag and drop to increase usability.
Hope that helps, if I misunderstood your questions please let me know.
Cheers,
Steve
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« on: May 08, 2014, 08:28 »
Stephen S,
Once live, how heavily do you plan on marketing / promoting Crated? Not our art - the Crated product itself?
I can understand if you do not wish to publicly announce your plans, and if so, perhaps you can answer this: do you plan to promote casually, medium, aggressively, or ultra-aggressively?
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« on: May 08, 2014, 08:25 »
Stephen S,
I have a few questions. Perhaps best to do them one per post.
Question:
Regarding the addition of the named gallery feature.
When available, will we be able to move images from one gallery to another? And especially, from the one gallery images are now uploaded to.
I think this a valid question at this point because it would be frustrating to upload 500 images now only to learn they cannot be moved, and need to be uploaded again.
Thanks,
- dan
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« on: May 08, 2014, 07:48 »
Note to Stephen_S_Crated
Just a helpful suggestion worth considering:
In this forum thread is a minute fraction of the amount of people who will be signing onto Crated when the floodgates are opened.
Yet, in this thread note the large amount of confusion, complaint, and rejection about the curating policy.
Now multiply that by a hundred- or even a thousand-fold when the gates are opened.
You either need to change your curation policy or go to great strides to make it perfectly clear and understandable by all.
Just a thought...
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« on: May 08, 2014, 07:41 »
Without rejection notification, you should at least notify if our photos are approved. We can at least assume that no news means our photos don't make the cut. You can't leave contributors in the dark guessing.
All artists are immediately notified by email when they are approved/promoted.
Approved/promoted to what? Just asking, but if I upload, say, 500 images, will I CLEARLY know that only 250 made it into the "main sellable collection" and the rest that reside in my own personal, non public gallery I can delete?
The images I uploaded are listed in the internal Crated search results, but I have not received a Curated / approved email. What does that mean?
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