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General Stock Discussion / Re: Clipping Path Lie?
« on: March 11, 2010, 15:51 »
It's wise to write in the image description that clipping path is only available in the original size.
Cheers.

Either that, or offer to provide a layered psd/tiff if the largest possible size is purchased.

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100,500 or 1000 it's still very low number in comparison to number of contributors worldwide.

True enough.

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However worldwide... my guess is that there is no more then 100 making more then 50K a year.

No more than 100 making $50k+? You are way, way off with this guess - arenacreative is much closer to the mark at 500, but I think even he's a little low.

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There was a thread recently, somebody had to delete all photos from flickr and photo.net in order to become IS exclusive.

Dunno what's up with that - there are many iStock exclusives who use Flickr, me included.

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I am interested- are you allowed to submit to Getty through two "doors" - Istock and Flickr?


Yes, you may still contribute to the Getty Flickr Collection (both RM and RF) if you are an iStock exclusive. Here's a thread on the iStock forum where someone wondered about exactly this:
http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=82914&page=1

As with the Getty iStock Collection, images/similars that are already on iStock are ineligible.

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I've got 9 files approved so far, only in the past week and a bit, but no sales yet. Anyone seeing any movement here?

Check this thread: http://www.microstockgroup.com/general-macrostock/getty-flickr-collection-update-jan-26-2010/

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Just realized I forgot to say that Flickr can be used as a gateway to getting images on Getty. It's a bit of a backdoor, and you can get images accepted that are well below their normal criteria.

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I think your question is a good one.  I was wondering about doing that too.

After reading some other threads here where stock pros say they are getting assignment work and a fair number of sales on Flikr it definitely seems like something to consider.

Certainly the images would have to be heavily watermarked to avoid people just helping themselves.
 


I've been on Flickr since 2005 - I used to have a paid account there (what they call "pro" costs $25 per year), but now only use a free account, which limits me to 200 images. If I wanted to I could open multiple accounts to bypass this, but that goes against the Flickr community spirit. Click here to see my stuff.

Getting attention on Flickr requires work: don't expect to upload a bunch of pics and have people contacting you out of the blue. First you'll have to downsize everything and add a watermark - watermarking is generally frowned upon, so I don't do that. After uploading you'll have to add tags (that's what they call keywords), which isn't done automatically. There's probably a way it can be done automatically, but I add add pics infrequently enough that I can't be bothered to get set up this way. To get good exposure you'll have to add your images to appropriate groups. The comment-on-a-photo-when-you-add-one groups are a popular way to increase an image's "interestingness".

As far as licensing goes, I'd typically charge $100 for a RM license. When I had more images there I used to make regular sales (1-3 per month on 1000+ images), but now that I only have 200 available I rarely see sales - perhaps 2 or 3 per year. In my experience, at least 2/3 of the people contacting me about using an image didn't want to pay, and I never heard from them after I mentioned the price. Nowadays my main reason for uploading there is for comparison purposes: I'm interested in seeing the correlation between an image's popularity on Flickr and it's commercial appeal.

Using Flickr is a really good way to make and maintain contact with people who like making photos. It's a photo sharing site, not a commercial image site, and you need to adjust your approach and expectations accordingly. For those making $50k+ in microstock, I'd say your main benefit from it would be that it might broaden your approach and outlook to photography - it's certainly not going to add significantly to your income.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: End of Stock Interview
« on: March 07, 2010, 19:20 »
I find the fact that he's not active here - the premier forum/clearinghouse for the microstock industry - to be among the most telling things he has to say.


In fairness, he may be posting here under an alias, so I wouldn't assume he's not active here.



That is part of the problem with sites like this. Too many aliases.


So why would he be here privately, but not publicly? Isn't in his best interest to drive his public profile upwards? What would he have to gain by only lurking or posting anonymously? On the contrary, I think he views microstock with (at least some) disregard, which better explains his absence here in my eye.
Hopefully someone will point out this posting to him, and we'll see him enter the fray.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: End of Stock Interview
« on: March 07, 2010, 13:39 »
I find the fact that he's not active here - the premier forum/clearinghouse for the microstock industry - to be among the most telling things he has to say.

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Off Topic / Re: Flipping burgers
« on: March 04, 2010, 13:36 »
'flipping burgers' means having a 'McJob'.
From urbandictionary.com:

Any menial, low-paying, unskilled, dead-end job, including (but not limited to) those in the fast food industry, which requires zero creative or intellectual involvement, and whose sole motivation is a paycheck (i.e., no one works a McJob because they like it or care about the work). The employee may also be required to wear a silly and degrading uniform. Examples outside of the food service industry include Wal-Mart greeter and movie ticket clerk.
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Turnover is high, but because practically anyone has the skills necessary to perform a McJob, the company can just hire more interchangeable McEmployees off the streets.

The term's allusion to mass-produced fast food implies both the mechanical, unfulfilling nature of the work, and the disposable, interchangeable manner in which the company treats its employees.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: The Blame Game
« on: March 04, 2010, 13:10 »
I think there is a bit too much focus on 'who is pro' and 'who is not' and where the line should be drawn.  I do agree that it is nice to know when someone posts about a 100% increase in earnings when they have a portfolio of 20 images, but to shun people who are 'not pro', however you define the term, or if we take the attitude that they don't have anything to ad - I think is narrow sighted.
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For me it's pretty easy to draw the line: if you earn a living through photography then you're a professional, if you don't then (at best) you're a semi-professional. Although I'm primarily interested in the opinions of my professional peers, I still value the opinion of the part-timers and newcomers, though not with the same weight. Each of these groups has a unique opinion to offer: pros tend to look at things differently than semi-pros/amateurs/hobbiests, and newcomers can sometimes provide a fresh perspective of the marketplace. By definition, I don't think anyone who is professional unjustly discards the opinions of people who don't do this for a living or have been at it for only a short time. Certainly not a successful one, anyway.

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... First I improved, and then I started to stagnate...

Yeah, that's what everyone does. I think it's a 'path of least resistance' thing.

One of the things that helps me is to divide my time into three distinctly different parts: making shots, processing images, and managing my portfolio. All three are very important, and I spend my time with them according to the mood I'm in. This helps me find the joy in each part of my job, and also adds a little variance in how I spend my days - the last thing I want this job to become is a job, if you know what I mean.

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From all sources?  Or just stills?
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Heh ... that's funny - looks like you didn't bother to read through all 8 pages before you posted, dnavarrojr!

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General Stock Discussion / Re: The Blame Game
« on: March 04, 2010, 02:32 »
This trade doesn't belong to anyone.  ...

I agree with you, and I'm sure that's what most people here think, too. I've been a member here for three years, joining shortly after I started my career in this industry. I always openly encourage people to improve their skill, both on this forum and in person.

I don't think there should be a need to differentiate people at all. ...

I don't agree with that, and I don't quite understand why do, leaf - why did you implement the 'speed gauges' if you didn't think it was necessary to diffentiate between the various experience levels present here? My only problem with this forum is that there are a lot of people here who seem to enjoy 'spouting off' about things they know little about. Don't misunderstand me, I'm not some sort of microstock authority - I'm just weary of having to wade through all sorts of misinformation to get to the good stuff, that's all.

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Thanks, a.k.a.-tom!

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I wrote mine using AutoHotkey, a programmable keyboard/mouse macro recorder. Very easy customize and do just about anything if you've got a programming background. It's only drawback is that if you use mouse clicks, your scripts are dependant upon screen resolution, and on some of the sites you just can't reliably do some things without clicking the mouse.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: The Blame Game
« on: March 03, 2010, 21:57 »
Newbie  ... Is that a derogatory name?   ??? :P


I don't think newbie is derogatory, but 'newb' (or more correctly 'noob') certainly is - a noob is someone who's been at it long enough to know how to avoid the mistakes a newbie would make, but somehow just can't make that leap. In the context of microstock, I'd say you're a noob if you've been at an agency for, say, one year and are still earning an entry-level commission.

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Thanks for laughing at me - I appreciate the honest recognition of my effort. You know, I used to hold out some potential for you - you always seemed earnest, forthright, and willing to learn. After today's interchange, I now see you're getting exactly what you deserve from this industry.

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I can't believe you're still fixated on an image I spent less than two minutes with, and only to illustrate my point, which you've completely and utterly missed. I don't know whom I'm more angry with, you - for being so stubborn in your thinking, or myself - for wasting time and energy trying to help you out. On the bright side, at least I  got something out of it: That'll be the last time I offer advice to someone who doesn't really want it.

Good luck, Whitechild, you need as much of it as you can get.

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Heh, with a little more of the sideburns thing he could be a stand-in for you-know-who.

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i personally would probably redo my photo like the one on the right also. but these two images also represent perfectly the style of is, the natural (left) and ss, the processed (right). since you're exclusive on is, sharply, i wonder why you don't veer towards the is style?

The only style I veer towards is the commercial style - a style that sells.

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I want to learn from my mistakes of course, but the problem is I don't see the logic in FT rejections and I don't know what to improve when other agencies accept my images much more than FT. The only image that has good sales at FT is image of isolated ants. Second image has almost 6 times less sales. There is no way for me to predict even closely what will be accepted at FT, which is not the case with other agencies.

If you can't understand rejections, then stop looking at them. Start looking at sales. What images of yours are selling? Why are they selling? Can you make more that will sell using these same themes/techniques/subjects?

Here's a starting point.

You've got an isolated shot of ants that sells well - that's great. Why aren't you doing something with it? The ants could be in single file, spiralling in on something. The ants could be arranged in rank and file, ready to invade. The ants could be spelling the words "ants". There could be a horde of smaller ants following a much larger "boss" ant. There could be a bunch of red ants with only one big black ant. There could be an imminent battle of black ants versus red ones.

There are so many possibilities to capitalize on, yet you are happy with only one image. You need to ask yourself why that is. This is what I mean when I say you need to take a step back.

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... and that is just because they accept 10-20% of my images, and almost always images that are rejected elsewhere.
Where is the logic?

As was said before, which I agreed with: if your imagery is commercially borderline (and from what I've seen, it is) then you should expect reviews to seem more whimsical. Instead of making images the same way and complaining about what you see as random rejections, I think you need to take a step back and examine what it is you are doing and how you are doing it.

You've been at this for two years. Where do you want to be in another two - still complaining about nonsensical rejections, or having learnt from your mistakes, making enough money to support a nice family lifestyle? A pretty simple choice, I think.

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I'm not sure IS would accept the image with so green branch. It looks oversaturated, you must admit it

Gimme a break: I spent two minutes on it - a trivial amount of time and effort.
Look at the point I'm trying to make, not the image.
If you don't change the way you think about your imagery, you are dooming yourself to a low selling portfolio.
Is that what you really want?

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